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#1
hatrel
May 24, 2004 15:41:33 I spent over an hour looking for the stats for a hoopak in the DLCS book. When in the world is it? Did they reproduce the whole collection of Kender Weapons that 2nd edition had?

Help!!
#2
calabozo
May 24, 2004 15:53:12 the official stats for a hoopak are in the DM Screen booklet but you can find some in the kenderciclopedia.com (I think thats the name of the site) also you might want to check dragonlance.com
#3
hatrel
May 24, 2004 15:54:33 Oh the DM Booklet that I haven't gotten yet cause I can't find it in any of my local shops.

Cool, thanks.
#4
zombiegleemax
May 24, 2004 15:56:20 stats for the hoopak are listed on the DL dm screen. If I understand/remember them correctly the damage is determined by how its being used. for exanple if you are using it to sling stones it does the same damage as a sling. using it like a staff does same damage as the quarterstaff, and striking with the metal point does the same damage as the spear. of course i could be wrong since i dont have my screen here in front of me.
#5
Dragonhelm
May 24, 2004 16:42:03
Originally posted by Calabozo
the official stats for a hoopak are in the DM Screen booklet but you can find some in the kenderciclopedia.com (I think thats the name of the site) also you might want to check dragonlance.com

Kencyclopedia.com actually. A very cool website, done by the talented Kipper Snifferdoo.

He's got a Kencyclopedia Kender Handbook download on the site, which rocks mightily.
#6
nuke
May 24, 2004 18:27:14 Yeah, it's pretty cool. But it's written for 3.0, so you'll need to keep that in mind for some things. The Kencyclopedia... not the DM screen.

So I don't know if there is a discrepancy between the two, but if there is you should probably go with the DM screen.
#7
kipper_snifferdoo_02
May 24, 2004 18:52:56 3.5 hoopak stats can be found here
#8
wdarkk
May 24, 2004 21:23:44 The only problem now is that they don't have proficiency with it or familiarity with it.
#9
calabozo
May 24, 2004 23:12:15
Originally posted by wdarkk
The only problem now is that they don't have proficiency with it or familiarity with it.

According to the booklet in the DM Screen page 26 Kender have Wp familiarity with the Hoopak.
#10
wdarkk
May 25, 2004 1:00:35 Well, I don't have the DM Screen yet. So that's good. Does it have the other weapons?
#11
calabozo
May 25, 2004 12:08:04 Just the Hoopak, and some other for the nomads and dwarfs but for kender thats the only one.
#12
karui_kage
May 26, 2004 0:51:12 Here's a question. If those stats linked for the ones on the kencyclopedia are the confirmed 3.5 stats, this is good. However, is it possible to dual-wield the hoopak with one end being the Staff and the other being the Spear?

Also, would it be realistic to either require the staff to be shoved into the ground for stability with the sling, or possibly just reward a +1 to hit if that is done? (move equivelant action to shove it into ground firmly enough, provided it CAN be shoved in).

My main question was just on the dualwielding part though.

Edit:
Also, why does the hoopak's staff portion do more damage than a regular quarterstaff, while the other portions are the exact same? (IE: It does 1d6 S / 1d8 M, while the quarterstaff does 1d4 S / 1d6 M)
#13
kipper_snifferdoo_02
May 26, 2004 7:19:26
Originally posted by Karui_Kage
Here's a question. If those stats linked for the ones on the kencyclopedia are the confirmed 3.5 stats, this is good. However, is it possible to dual-wield the hoopak with one end being the Staff and the other being the Spear?

Is it possible? yes. It is possible for all kender? no. I would recommend requiring an additional exotic weapon proficiency to weild it in that manner. But it could be done.

Also, would it be realistic to either require the staff to be shoved into the ground for stability with the sling, or possibly just reward a +1 to hit if that is done? (move equivelant action to shove it into ground firmly enough, provided it CAN be shoved in).

I would go with the +1 bonus. I think swinging it like a bat could be just as effective, but there has been enough evidence to support kender taking the time to shove it in the ground.

Edit: Also, why does the hoopak's staff portion do more damage than a regular quarterstaff, while the other portions are the exact same? (IE: It does 1d6 S / 1d8 M, while the quarterstaff does 1d4 S / 1d6 M)

To be totally honest it was an choice I made because for nearly the past 20 years I have rolled a 1d6 for a hoopak and I just couldn't break from that. All kender are small so it would have been 1d4 and it just didn't sit right with me to change it. It has the possibility of doing 2 more points than a regular quarterstaff, so there is even more incentive for a kender to be carrying it over a normal staff.
#14
karui_kage
May 26, 2004 9:05:20 Thanks for the quick response.

I suppose my last question would be, are the stats you gave the actual stats for the hoopak, as presented on the Dragonlance DM Screen? If not, what are the changes that they have compared to yours? I mostly ask this because you had said that it was your choice to make the D6 small damage on the hoopak, and so (unless you're the one who made the DM screen) I'm curious to see any changes.

Thanks again :D
#15
kipper_snifferdoo_02
May 26, 2004 9:30:23 In the DL SM Screen it makes the hoopak a small weapon so it would be 1d4 for the quarterstaff portion. But all the rest is the same.

(P.S. I have given in and changed the Kencyclopedia stats to use 1d4 as well, heh)
#16
karui_kage
May 26, 2004 20:12:15 Hehe. Alright then, thanks for the info. :D

Also, I just ordered the Key of Destiny. Not relavent, but it makes me happy. ^_^

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
#1 hatrel May 24, 2004 15:41:33	I spent over an hour looking for the stats for a hoopak in the DLCS book. When in the world is it? Did they reproduce the whole collection of Kender Weapons that 2nd edition had? Help!!
#2 calabozo May 24, 2004 15:53:12	the official stats for a hoopak are in the DM Screen booklet but you can find some in the kenderciclopedia.com (I think thats the name of the site) also you might want to check dragonlance.com
#3 hatrel May 24, 2004 15:54:33	Oh the DM Booklet that I haven't gotten yet cause I can't find it in any of my local shops. Cool, thanks.
#4 zombiegleemax May 24, 2004 15:56:20	stats for the hoopak are listed on the DL dm screen. If I understand/remember them correctly the damage is determined by how its being used. for exanple if you are using it to sling stones it does the same damage as a sling. using it like a staff does same damage as the quarterstaff, and striking with the metal point does the same damage as the spear. of course i could be wrong since i dont have my screen here in front of me.
#5 Dragonhelm May 24, 2004 16:42:03	Originally posted by Calabozo the official stats for a hoopak are in the DM Screen booklet but you can find some in the kenderciclopedia.com (I think thats the name of the site) also you might want to check dragonlance.com Kencyclopedia.com actually. A very cool website, done by the talented Kipper Snifferdoo. He's got a Kencyclopedia Kender Handbook download on the site, which rocks mightily.
#6 nuke May 24, 2004 18:27:14	Yeah, it's pretty cool. But it's written for 3.0, so you'll need to keep that in mind for some things. The Kencyclopedia... not the DM screen. So I don't know if there is a discrepancy between the two, but if there is you should probably go with the DM screen.
#7 kipper_snifferdoo_02 May 24, 2004 18:52:56	3.5 hoopak stats can be found here
#8 wdarkk May 24, 2004 21:23:44	The only problem now is that they don't have proficiency with it or familiarity with it.
#9 calabozo May 24, 2004 23:12:15	Originally posted by wdarkk The only problem now is that they don't have proficiency with it or familiarity with it. According to the booklet in the DM Screen page 26 Kender have Wp familiarity with the Hoopak.
#10 wdarkk May 25, 2004 1:00:35	Well, I don't have the DM Screen yet. So that's good. Does it have the other weapons?
#11 calabozo May 25, 2004 12:08:04	Just the Hoopak, and some other for the nomads and dwarfs but for kender thats the only one.
#12 karui_kage May 26, 2004 0:51:12	Here's a question. If those stats linked for the ones on the kencyclopedia are the confirmed 3.5 stats, this is good. However, is it possible to dual-wield the hoopak with one end being the Staff and the other being the Spear? Also, would it be realistic to either require the staff to be shoved into the ground for stability with the sling, or possibly just reward a +1 to hit if that is done? (move equivelant action to shove it into ground firmly enough, provided it CAN be shoved in). My main question was just on the dualwielding part though. Edit: Also, why does the hoopak's staff portion do more damage than a regular quarterstaff, while the other portions are the exact same? (IE: It does 1d6 S / 1d8 M, while the quarterstaff does 1d4 S / 1d6 M)
#13 kipper_snifferdoo_02 May 26, 2004 7:19:26	Originally posted by Karui_Kage Here's a question. If those stats linked for the ones on the kencyclopedia are the confirmed 3.5 stats, this is good. However, is it possible to dual-wield the hoopak with one end being the Staff and the other being the Spear? Is it possible? yes. It is possible for all kender? no. I would recommend requiring an additional exotic weapon proficiency to weild it in that manner. But it could be done. Also, would it be realistic to either require the staff to be shoved into the ground for stability with the sling, or possibly just reward a +1 to hit if that is done? (move equivelant action to shove it into ground firmly enough, provided it CAN be shoved in). I would go with the +1 bonus. I think swinging it like a bat could be just as effective, but there has been enough evidence to support kender taking the time to shove it in the ground. Edit: Also, why does the hoopak's staff portion do more damage than a regular quarterstaff, while the other portions are the exact same? (IE: It does 1d6 S / 1d8 M, while the quarterstaff does 1d4 S / 1d6 M) To be totally honest it was an choice I made because for nearly the past 20 years I have rolled a 1d6 for a hoopak and I just couldn't break from that. All kender are small so it would have been 1d4 and it just didn't sit right with me to change it. It has the possibility of doing 2 more points than a regular quarterstaff, so there is even more incentive for a kender to be carrying it over a normal staff.
#14 karui_kage May 26, 2004 9:05:20	Thanks for the quick response. I suppose my last question would be, are the stats you gave the actual stats for the hoopak, as presented on the Dragonlance DM Screen? If not, what are the changes that they have compared to yours? I mostly ask this because you had said that it was your choice to make the D6 small damage on the hoopak, and so (unless you're the one who made the DM screen) I'm curious to see any changes. Thanks again :D
#15 kipper_snifferdoo_02 May 26, 2004 9:30:23	In the DL SM Screen it makes the hoopak a small weapon so it would be 1d4 for the quarterstaff portion. But all the rest is the same. (P.S. I have given in and changed the Kencyclopedia stats to use 1d4 as well, heh)
#16 karui_kage May 26, 2004 20:12:15	Hehe. Alright then, thanks for the info. :D Also, I just ordered the Key of Destiny. Not relavent, but it makes me happy. ^_^