I don't like repetition IMC so I plan on using the GH just once and then do it BIG!
Should it be:
1) Against Vestland when the kingdom loses the heir to the throne? (X13, Crown of Ancient Glory)
2) Against Heldannic Knights?
3) In an all-out war against Glantri?
4) In a war against the rich lands of Darokin?
5) Simply siding with the Master when he invades the Known World's countries?
What do you think would be the opportune moment for the Khan to release his horde and against whom?
:-) Jesper
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Havard
Originally posted by havard
So, because I changed the topic, it doesn't come up as a reply?
Weird
Havard
yeah I've noticed that before, it sucks
Originally posted by stanles
yeah I've noticed that before, it sucks
Well, at least now we know! I won't be messing with the topic again, no sir... ;)
Anyways, what was the topic again? Ethengar? Did you guys get a chance to look at the World in Flames scenario yet?
Håvard
Originally posted by havard
Well, at least now we know! I won't be messing with the topic again, no sir... ;)
Anyways, what was the topic again? Ethengar? Did you guys get a chance to look at the World in Flames scenario yet?
Håvard
The World in Flames is a cool write-up, but it has a few things in it that irritates me:
The Golden Horde becomes just a side-kick to the major humanoid invasion instead of the main problem/force as I would like it to be.
It is set during/after the WotI which I do not intend to use, because I have other plans for Alfheim amongst other things.
The dwarves of Rockhome assume the role of "bad guys" siding with the Khan and the humanoids. Not likely - at least in my version of Mystara :D
I know that they gladly help Ethengar against Heldann and Glantri but that is just small companies of volunteer dwarven siege engineers. I don't think the entire Rockhome would assault Soderfjord, Ylaruam and Darokin. It would upset their long-time good relations and trade with those nations.
:-) Jesper
Originally posted by Spellweaver
The World in Flames is a cool write-up, but it has a few things in it that irritates me:
The Golden Horde becomes just a side-kick to the major humanoid invasion instead of the main problem/force as I would like it to be.
It is set during/after the WotI which I do not intend to use, because I have other plans for Alfheim amongst other things.
The dwarves of Rockhome assume the role of "bad guys" siding with the Khan and the humanoids. Not likely - at least in my version of Mystara :D
I know that they gladly help Ethengar against Heldann and Glantri but that is just small companies of volunteer dwarven siege engineers. I don't think the entire Rockhome would assault Soderfjord, Ylaruam and Darokin. It would upset their long-time good relations and trade with those nations.
You could alter it. Why not make the Khan use the Humanoid invasion to his advantage. Putting the Khan i charge of things will avoid the consequences.
The WotI thing is easily fixed. Only a few changes need to be made to use WoF in AC1000.
As for who is the bad guys, if you want the campaign based on the Ethengars perspective, why not give the dwarves a reason to be ****** off at the other countries. Perhaps they all decide to unite against Rockhome and ethengar, the WoF becoming a response to the other countries altered behavour?
Ofcourse, you could also leave some countries out of the war if you want. Again, it doesn't really require too many changes.
Håvard
If he were to send some of his forces into the Broken Lands, he might be able to push them out, causing them to spill over into nearby human lands (Glantri, Darokin), and thus keep one or more of those nations occupied. (Of course, he might also have to deal with a humanoid menace of his own later, as they attempt a reprisal for being so used). At least one of the tribes (Temur's people- the Yugatais?) does something similar with the Gostai Goblins.
As for where the Ethengars might strike- I'd say the likeliest targets, at least initially, would be the northern regions. The Heldannic Knights have only been established for c.30 years or so, so now would be as good a time as any to root them out for good, before they get a solid foothold and decide they might want to root out the Ethengars instead. Vestland is another option, though any attacks against Vestland will have to take into account Heldannic aggression. (Also, any attacks against Heldann will probably stir up the local native Heldanner population into rebellion- and there are already pockets of resistance there as is.)
I think the Khan is wise enough not to strike against Glantri. Their magical might is certainly a mitigating factor despite the disparity in the size of the nation's armed forces (at least, as given in Gaz3 and 12). Also, the logistics of getting into Glantri are difficult- the route through Bramyra is hills- tough terrain for horsemen- and a narrow neck of land that would afford the Glantrians a lot of opportunity to fortify (not to mention the nearby humanoid problems) and the northern route- through Boldavia and the Klantyre valley- is treacherous as well, and easily fortified. If they were to go invade, I'd imagine a two pronged attack- one through Bramyra (the main horde) and one through Boldavia (supplemented by the elephants that Gaz12 mentions, and dwarven seige engineers/mercenaries). If the horde can make it to the central valleys of Glantri, they will cause a lot of damage and be difficult to contain. It's the getting there that is tough (and this might be a good opportunity for the Followers of the Claymore to stage a revolt in the Sablestone region).
Darokin is an interesting possibility, though the Ethengars would have to be prepared to deal with a lot of fallout from Darokin allies and trading partners. Karameikos would almost certainly, IMO, send some sort of assistance (even pre-WotI; though this might prompt the Black Eagle to get more aggressive). Alfheim as well would undoubtedly aid any full-scale invasion, and Glantri would probably send some forces (Jaggar would certainly petition to help, for Darokin's cause, but moreso for the chance to flex his military might against the hated Ethengars). In such a case, Moglai Khan has to watch his back. Also, the route has to be planned- if the Ethies travel through the Broken Lands, they can depend on being under attack the whole way (and probably being followed by a bloodthirsty horde of humanoids). Ylaruam might even send aid.
Still, I think it would make for a very interesting scenario, especially given the nature of Darokin- very large and spread out. Once more, if the Ethengars make it into central Darokin, it will be exceedingly difficult to contain their destruction. (Moreso in Darokin than Glantri). This, of course, would have widespread and far-reaching consequences to the economy of the Known World.
It would be cool to see the Ethengars get their due, though.
Originally posted by Cthulhudrew
Still, I think it would make for a very interesting scenario, especially given the nature of Darokin- very large and spread out. Once more, if the Ethengars make it into central Darokin, it will be exceedingly difficult to contain their destruction. (Moreso in Darokin than Glantri). This, of course, would have widespread and far-reaching consequences to the economy of the Known World.
It would be cool to see the Ethengars get their due, though.
Looking in the Gaz 12 it says that Ethengar only has something like 8000-9000 horsemen in their horde. That doesn't seem like a lot to me. Glantri has a standing army of 6720 soldiers and their army is described as being one of the smallest in the Known World (Gaz 3). I think that for the Khan to effectively wage a war against one or more of his neighbours he would have to have at least a few thousand more troops.
I never really thought of the effect of a large-scale war on the world economy. It's interesting though. If Darokin was invaded it would certainly create shortages in many markets across the Known World.
:-) Jesper