I've seen tons of information about these two...sitting at this right now
Kas was Vecna's right hand man when Vecna was just a normal lich, he betrayed Vecna and cut off his hand and eye. Vecna then become a god, went through the various modules, etc, and is now a lesser deity.
I have a few questions though
1.) WHy did Kas betray Vecna
2.) Where is Kas now? (also what was Kas,a human, another lich, what?) I know he was in Ravenloft with Vecna but could that have just been the demiplane messing with him.
3.) Did Kas actually kill Vecna?
4.) What powers does the Sword of Kas possess?
5.) How did Vecna become a god(and if he was killed how was he ressurected first)
I think that is it and I know it is alot but I'd appreciate any help. Thanks
Originally posted by Dawnspeaker
Ok I'm a major GH newbie, but I'm getting invovled it in and looking for more information.
I've seen tons of information about these two...sitting at this right now
Kas was Vecna's right hand man when Vecna was just a normal lich, he betrayed Vecna and cut off his hand and eye. Vecna then become a god, went through the various modules, etc, and is now a lesser deity.
I have a few questions though
1.) WHy did Kas betray Vecna
2.) Where is Kas now? (also what was Kas,a human, another lich, what?) I know he was in Ravenloft with Vecna but could that have just been the demiplane messing with him.
3.) Did Kas actually kill Vecna?
4.) What powers does the Sword of Kas possess?
5.) How did Vecna become a god(and if he was killed how was he ressurected first)
I think that is it and I know it is alot but I'd appreciate any help. Thanks
Kas the bloody handed is a vampire-lord, pretty badass in his own right. IIRC the Sword of Kas is shown in the DMG p282.
It was waaay more powerful in 1e ..... and also a short sword IIRC, very odd.
Why betray Vecna? Lust for power, whispered words from the sword or another source. The newish LG scenario Nature to eternity has some clues on this subject too.
As far as I know Kas is still in Ravenloft somehow, everyone else escapes from there it seems so I've no idea why he can't :D
Cheers
Cause his intellegent sword tells him to do so
2.) Where is Kas now? (also what was Kas,a human, another lich, what?) I know he was in Ravenloft with Vecna but could that have just been the demiplane messing with him.
Vecna destroys Kas demiplane before escape and hate to say that, but he is finally die...
3.) Did Kas actually kill Vecna?
Yep ... But Vecna is already dies...
4.) What powers does the Sword of Kas possess?
You can found it in DMG
Strange but there are not plane shift spell in it now...(in ADnD it is)
5.) How did Vecna become a god(and if he was killed how was he ressurected first)
He becomes demigod cause many of his cultists prying with zeal.
He kills Iuz (demigod) and becomes Greater god then nasty adventurers made him lesser god.
Originally posted by Dawnspeaker
I have a few questions though
1.) WHy did Kas betray Vecna
2.) Where is Kas now? (also what was Kas,a human, another lich, what?) I know he was in Ravenloft with Vecna but could that have just been the demiplane messing with him.
3.) Did Kas actually kill Vecna?
4.) What powers does the Sword of Kas possess?
5.) How did Vecna become a god(and if he was killed how was he ressurected first)
The old WGA4 Vecna Lives! module sheds the more light about these issues.
1] Kas's sword seduced him with promises he would rule Vecna's empire since (thanks to the sword) he was now more powerful than his master. Classical case of intelligent weapon with an ego the size of a mountain :D
2] He was until recently in his domain of Tovag, in the Burning Peaks cluster (Ravenloft setting). However, with Vecna escaping his own domain (Cavitius) and the fate of both that domain and the cluster to which it belongs uncertain, none can say for sure if Tovag still stands and Kas is still its darklord. Given the Dark Powers drew Kas in Ravenloft only to "distract" Vecna, now that the evil god is gone, they don't really need Kas anymore.
Then again, he was a powerful vampire in his own right, so he could still be around, whether as a darklord or as a free wanderer of the Mists. I doubt they would simply "dump" him into a Material Plane. That would be a waste.
3] None can say for sure. According to popular legend, the two of them battled till nothing but dust and ash (along with Vecna's eye & hand, and Kas's sword) remained. Whether it was due to Kas dealing the "killing blow" to Vecna or something else is still open to debate.
4] DMG p.282 (v3.5). Frankly, I prefer the old (v2) version from the WGA4 module. But that's just me...
5] According to WGA4, Vecna's evil couldn't be defeated so easily. Wicked people worshipped him (and what he stood for) for centuries after his "death". Slowly, their faith enabled him to be "reborn" as a demi-god. After that, he never stopped trying to grab more power (read: reach Greater Power status)
2] He was until recently in his domain of Tovag, in the Burning Peaks cluster (Ravenloft setting). However, with Vecna escaping his own domain (Cavitius) and the fate of both that domain and the cluster to which it belongs uncertain, none can say for sure if Tovag still stands and Kas is still its darklord. Given the Dark Powers drew Kas in Ravenloft only to "distract" Vecna, now that the evil god is gone, they don't really need Kas anymore.
There are mention in Ravenloft setting that two domains merged in ethernal war recently destroys each other. Afcourse they mean Cavitus and Tovag
All they mention is that rumor had reached the Core that one of the Clusters had suffered a catastrophy, perhaps leading to its destruction.
You'll notice the people managing the new edition of the setting have decided to remain vague on the subject. Why? Because they know the very existence of the Burning Peaks divide the fans.
Some die-hard GH fans refuse the very idea that Vecna could have been "captured" by the Dark Powers so easily. While some RL fans just loved the setting so much that they refuse to admit it was entirely destroyed when Vecna left it in module Die Vecna Die!. Hence the cautious silence.
Frankly, given Vecna did escape, his domain must have come apart but that doesn't mean Tovag followed the same road. The rumor about "total destruction" could have been carried by someone who was in Cavitius at the time. When the world is falling apart around you, you don't cross the border to see if your neighbor is having the same problem. You run for your life.
I'm not sure how Vecna went from a world conquering Lich, to 2 dissicated artifacts of his body.
Vecna started on his road to divinity through cult worship, as exampled in the "Falconmaster" series of modules. Then in "Vecna Lives" he tried to bring his followers from the past into the present to gain even more divine power through numbers of worshippers. In this module he fought Iuz, but didn't kill him, and was thrown into Ravenloft, according to the Greyhawk timeline.
He escaped ravenloft and tried to take over the City of Sigil from Planescape in his attempt to become a greater god, but failed and is currently just a lesser god.
Halber
Originally posted by Mortepierre
I disagree about that.
So be it
But there are one of the ending of Vecna Reborn and mention in Die Vecna Die about possible destruction of Tovag.
In my game PC fails to return in Tovag and stop Vecna from reborning so it succesful destroys Kas and all his demise
Originally posted by Halberkill
Vecna was a lich before Kas, his topmost general in his army, betrayed him. Vecna expected him to betray him, as all evil people will eventually do, it's in the bylaws of being evil. When Vecna created the Sword of Kas for Kas, he made it so the sword could never harm Vecna. So Kas attempted to kill Vecna, but never has.
I'm not sure how Vecna went from a world conquering Lich, to 2 dissicated artifacts of his body.
Vecna started on his road to divinity through cult worship, as exampled in the "Falconmaster" series of modules. Then in "Vecna Lives" he tried to bring his followers from the past into the present to gain even more divine power through numbers of worshippers. In this module he fought Iuz, but didn't kill him, and was thrown into Ravenloft, according to the Greyhawk timeline.
He escaped ravenloft and tried to take over the City of Sigil from Planescape in his attempt to become a greater god, but failed and is currently just a lesser god.
Halber
Can you tell me more abot Falconmaster???
Originally posted by Lordik
So be it
But there are one of the ending of Vecna Reborn and mention in Die Vecna Die about possible destruction of Tovag.
In my game PC fails to return in Tovag and stop Vecna from reborning so it succesful destroys Kas and all his demise
Personally, I solved the problem by allowing Vecna - the god - to escape RL while Vecna - the avatar of the god - remained stuck. That allowed the Burning Peaks to continue to exist AND Vecna to exist as a "free" deity of D&D 3E. Of course, it means Vecna is still angry at the Dark Powers and working to free his avatar. As a lesser god, he hasn't dozens of those to spare...
As a side note, I recommend to all folks interested in knowing how the eye and the hand were "separated" from their owner to take a look at the Hand of the Revenancer comics. Superbly done!
(warning: the comics was NOT canon material!)
See http://www.canonfire.com/htmlnew/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=29
Originally posted by Lordik
Can you tell me more abot Falconmaster???
Falconmaster is a trilogy of modules set in and around Greyhawk in which a Naga used the cult of Iuz to get worshippers of her own. She was defeated a first time by heroes aligned with St-Cuthbert and imprisoned in an extradimensional space.
The modules show how - years later - the surviving members of the cult struggle to free the Naga and how the latter tries to avenge herself from those who defeated her.
It's not linked to Vecna (although I am sure the old lich had a good chuckle when he learned about it).
Originally posted by Mortepierre
As a side note, I recommend to all folks interested in knowing how the eye and the hand were "separated" from their owner to take a look at the Hand of the Revenancer comics. Superbly done!
(warning: the comics was NOT canon material!)
That would be "Hand of the Revenant". Yes it is an EXCELLENT graphic novel, even aside from it being about Greyhawk.
Has the second book come out yet? I don't recall anything about the loss of appendages in the first book. If it is out, where can I get it?
Halber
Originally posted by Mortepierre
Falconmaster is a trilogy of modules set in and around Greyhawk in which a Naga used the cult of Iuz to get worshippers of her own.
Gah, I think I got some cults confused between Vecna Lives and the Falconmaster series.
Halber
Originally posted by Halberkill
That would be "Hand of the Revenant". Yes it is an EXCELLENT graphic novel, even aside from it being about Greyhawk.
Has the second book come out yet? I don't recall anything about the loss of appendages in the first book. If it is out, where can I get it?
Halber
Oops! Yes, Hand of the Revenant , sorry
If you look closely in the first book, you'll notice that after Vecna's body is carried to his throne (after being blasted by the epic spell of the clerics of Pholtus), he is missing one hand and one eye
So far, I have heard nothing about the next book .. which is a shame
Originally posted by Mortepierre
Personally, I solved the problem by allowing Vecna - the god - to escape RL while Vecna - the avatar of the god - remained stuck. That allowed the Burning Peaks to continue to exist AND Vecna to exist as a "free" deity of D&D 3E. Of course, it means Vecna is still angry at the Dark Powers and working to free his avatar. As a lesser god, he hasn't dozens of those to spare...
As a side note, I recommend to all folks interested in knowing how the eye and the hand were "separated" from their owner to take a look at the Hand of the Revenancer comics. Superbly done!
(warning: the comics was NOT canon material!)
You know, using 3 ed rules Vecna cannot create avatars..
You know, using 3 ed rules Vecna cannot create avatars..
Like that ever stopped a DM from using a good plot-device... ;)
When the rules get in the way of the story, time to get rid of them. That's my motto.
Probably the reason why I have always preferred Greyhawk over other settings is the feeling that characters make a difference. FR always bugged me as the power levels were high and players could always be upstaged by Elminster. Granted Rary did some upstaging in the 3.0 update never pegged him to blow up his fellow members of the Circle of Eight (Tenser always was a loose cannon but Rary?)