I was just wondering about this, has any material ever outlined any noteworthy dragons of Oerth by name? Struck me as a little odd once it dawned on me that I couldn't think of a single 'named' dragon in this game setting (I did a search of this forum and came up blank).
Later on,
Ghorrin
WGR1: Greyhawk Ruins - Farcluun, Red Dragon; Tower of Zagyg
9209: RT Temple of EE - ??????, Blue Dragon; Moat House
WGR7: Ivid the Undying - Auruma, Gold Dragon; Grandwood
1043: City Greyhawk (Box) - ?????, Greyhawk Dragon; Greyhawk
Also, I have created the following in submissions to Canonfire.
Viktorik, White Dragon; Corusk Mountains
Sabbastith, Black Dragon; Spikerift
I was actually thinking of catalogueing all the Dragons and Planar creatures of the Flanaess (seperately) for Canonfire, but I don't have all the required products to do so.
Perhaps we should all collaberate to make it happen? That'd be a pretty cool submission if you ask me.
Name, Race, Product, Location
How can you forget the great red dragon from the Hall of the Fire Giant King? The dreadful Brazzelmal the Bright! I will grant you, his history is not heavilly detailed (or detailed at all for that matter) but he just cries out to have an article written about him. In fact, I am working on just that, but at the rate I'm going, don't hold your breath for it to be published on CF anytime soon.
Also, the Falconmaster series had a Greyhawk Dragon in the form of Mizaab the wizard, as well as the opera signer for the GH Royal Opera House.
There was the possessed copper dragon Clonoc from the Copper Raider mini-adventure in the 1983 GH boxed set. He was later greatly detailed in an article in the Oerth Journal, volume 1, #5 by Eric Boyd (who also wrote a couple other great Wyrms of the Flanaess articles).
Finally, Joe Katzman wrote a terrific series of dragon in Aerdy articles that are extremely well detailed and useful. If someone can get him to post them on CF, that would be terrific.
O-D
There was a pan lung oriental dragon in module I1 - Dwellers of the Forbidden City. Not named or given much detail.
There was a black dragon called Aulicus in I2 - Tomb of the Lizard King who allied himself with Sakatha and terrorized southern Keoland. He had sopme detail on him and could be a viable long term villian.
The Scarlet Brotherhood Accessory makes a passing reference to the black dragon matriarch of the Pelisso Swamps - Quagmire. As well as some dragons mentioned living on the islands off the Amedio.
U2 had a dragon living in the Hools (another pan lung!), but had no name or description.
I'm sure I am missing a few more...
Szeverin - male Shadow Dragon (Young) - WGS1 Five Shall Be one - Shadow Caverns (NE of the Fellreev Forest)
Aulicus - male Black Dragon (?) - I2 Tomb of the Lizard King - the Ancient Temple
? - male Black Dragon (Adult) - I7 Baltron's Beacon - Hool Marsh
? - female Black Dragon (Adult) - I7 Baltron's Beacon - Hool Marsh
? - (?) Pan Lung (?) - I7 Baltron's Beacon - Hool Marsh
Hasforenses - female Shadow Dragon (Adult) - The Liberation of Geoff - Dim Forest (Derelion)
Volte - male Blue Dragon (Wyrm) - WGR3 Rary the Traitor - Bright Desert (Dagger Rock) (isn't he the one supposedly slain recently by Lord Robilar in a fit of anger?)
Smoke - (?) Shadow Dragon (?) - WGR3 Rary the Traitor - Bright Desert (ruins of Darkbridge Temple)
Dragons of Oerth
I need some help filling in the holes on official products and lets find lal the ones in Dragon and Dungeon as well.
Furthermore, On the 2nd table I have all the Canonfire ones taken care of, but I'd like to add Oerth Journal ones in that table as well.
Once finished I'll add some flavor text and stuff to spice the page up some.
Keep em coming....
Torc (not his true name) - male Red Dragon (Ancient) - WG8 Fate of Istus - Furyondy (Chendl)
(DM may wish to replace it with a Tarterian Dragon (Draconomicon) given he was supposedly Gated from Carceri)
Tumbutt (a Faerie dragon, detailed in Wine Harvest, one of the adventure cards from the CoG set).
Darkstar and Gloomwhisper (a pair of shadow dragons detailed in Shadows of Terror, an adventure card from the CoG boxed set)
I'm going with the initial product a specific dragon is from if there are more than 1.
Mike
? - male Cloud Dragon (?) - Artifact of Evil - unknown (p.323-324 / Mordenkainen's mount)
Yes, I know, that's a novel, not a gaming accessory. But since it was written by G. Gygax himself, and carried both the GH and TSR logo, I consider it canon.
Er, and I need to take a break and get some work done before the day is over.
You got the adventure card # on Tumbutt?
Wine Harvest is #23
Shadows of Terror is #16
The same is true, for the most part, for the pan lung's in I1 Dwellers of the Forbidden City and U2 Danger at Dunwater. While they are included in standard entries, they are not named.
The greyhawk dragon first used the guise of Mizaab Zalen, and later Sturtevant Zalen. This was to keep up his "mortal" appearence. The draconic or "true" name for him is never revealed.
( http://www.wizards.com/dnd/article.asp?x=dnd/dx20010817a ).
Kwint
Originally posted by Twilight_Knight
The two black dragons and the pan lung dragon from I7 Baltron's Beacon are listed as random encounter creatures and are not properly named.
The same is true, for the most part, for the pan lung's in I1 Dwellers of the Forbidden City and U2 Danger at Dunwater. While they are included in standard entries, they are not named.
And the same holds true for the blue dragon of S4. But the point is that at least we know such dragons live in that general area.
As for I7, the text adds that both the pan lung and the mated pair of black lair in the marsh. That's 3 dragons just for the Hool Marsh.
Originally posted by abysslin
Good job guys! Here's what I have so far...
Dragons of Oerth
Hey, thanks for the mention of Aramanthyn, the Great Green Wyrm of the Dreadwood in the list. For those who might not be aware, Aramanthyn was my creation, and is featured in one of my CF articles:
http://www.canonfire.com/htmlnew/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=244
Maybe Abysslin's project will inspire me to fully flesh him out Wyrms of the Flanaess style for CF. I'll see what I can do.
Maxaotli would make a nice article too. I'll have to get back to writing, it's been a while since I submitted to the iron will of CF anyway
name unknown, Mist Dragon (Return of the Eight) underwater lair near Tenser's Castle
Xoshour, Dragon turtle (LGJ #5) Zeif
Originally posted by mortellan
Okay, how about the Fiery King(s)? They were mentioned in a Dragon article way back when, on the Orbs of Dragonkind. It was wrote by Moore IIRC.
Yah, We need everything out of Dungeon, Dragon, LGJs, and the Oerth Journal yet.
I think that one of the Greyhawk Dragons goes by many names. AFAIK, Aestrella is her own dragon, but I think that one of the two(?) male GH dragons accounts for a large number of aliases.
Also, here is the URL for the Google-archived webpage of the Joe Katzman article, DRAGONS OF THE AERDY LANDS, mentioned earlier: http://66.102.7.104/search?q=cache:UJ0XACM6bcYJ:www.dracheninsel.de/insel/add/greyhawk/dragons.htm
We could really use CF to make available the old Codex of Greyhawk!
Kwint
30 years ago a red dragon (no other details given) slew over 200 towns folk at Verbeeg Hill.
also mentions repeated rumors of a green dragon lairing in Gnatmarsh
Crypt of Lyzandred the Mad has a skeletal copper dragon
Return to the tomb of horrors has an unamed brine dragon
Kwint
brine dragon
Ewww what is a brine dragon?
Robilar had a pair of mated green dragons that, according to Rob Kuntz, he released following the wicked warrior's TOEE debacle
I always wondered why his standard was a green dragon. Where in blazes would have he kept a pair of them? Certainly not at his place near GHC, being so close to the city.
Originally posted by mortellan
Ewww what is a brine dragon?
If I am not mistaken, that rare breed first appeared in the DLR1 Otherlands DL accessory (back in 2E)
excerpts pertaining to the Fiery Kings:
"The great families of red dragons throughout the southern Crystalmistshad enslaved limitless numbers of brtual humanoids....In addition, these dragons were exceedingly skilled at magic....Worse yet, certain of those red dragons had undergone sorcerous rituals that infused their living bodies with shadow-stuff from the Demi-plane of Shadow granting them new and devastating power. These were the first of the accursed shadow dragons....Even the Vault of the Drow is said by some sources once to have been the cavern-hall of an elder shadow dragon of this bygone age."
"Inzhilem uickly became intrigued by the by the difficult problem posed by the Fiery Kings, as the troublesome dragons were known in the eastern lands."
"...Inzhilem was forced to have his entire collection of caged and charmed dragons in the capital gardens slain by sorcerous means. A portion of the blood, bone, brain and spirit of each dragon was captured and imprisoned in each orb..."
excerpts pertaining to the individual orbs:
(Orb of the Dragonette)
"The island was later surrounded by sahuagin and used as a waypoint for transoceanic flights by bronze dragons. The orb was found by the sahuagin, who currently use it to charm young dragons to perform evil deeds, like destroying ships."
(Orb of the Firedrake)
"This orb was discovered centuries ago by a shadow dragon in tunnels beneath the Hellfurnaces...The shadow dragon is of great age and size, with its own personal army of unique undead beings..."
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I surmise the Fiery Kings no longer exist as a collective but a few like in the last excerpt might still remain, and furthermore the shadow dragons mentioned from other sources listed in this thread could be descendants of these first shadow dragons.
Originally posted by cwslyclgh
I wonder why roger decided to make shadow dargons descended from Red Dragons... shadow dragons in 1-2e were SO much weaker then red dragons that were a red dragon to infuse himself with shadow-stuff and become one it would mean a huge reduction in power... seems silly to me.
Agreed. This was made during 2E too. I would say the breath weapon of shadow dragons are only better in that its less predictable to counter than fire, but overall yeah they are much weaker than reds. Of course in 3E there now seems to be a surge in things to do with Shadow, maybe 3E shadow dragons have something new to them I don't know about?
maybe 3E shadow dragons have something new to them I don't know about?
not realy... powerwise they are about on par with a black or copper dragon... stll a significant power reduction for a red to take, epsecialy considering the way 3e handles energy drain/negative levels...
Mafristex, amethyst dragon (Slavers) Central Pomarj lake
Many gold, faerie, Spuedo, silver, and mist dragons dwell among the Pinnacles of Azor'Alq. (none are actually detailed though).
Kwint
Kwint Pendick
Heres what we are at thus far, minus the last few on this thread..
http://www.canonfire.com/htmlnew/modules.php?name=Content&pa=showpage&pid=7
Halber
Kwint
Another Greyhawk dragon, unfortunately named "Schmemley," is the now-desceased Volte's arch-enemy, according to Rary the Traitor.
There's Lichis the Gold Dragon, from the quasi-official quasi-Greyhawk novel "Quag Keep," by Andre Norton. I think there may be a couple unnamed dragons in that tome, as well.
The Scarlet Brotherhood product has a whole island of mist dragons, with really strange names like Abstract Thought, or something.
There's probably a story behind the oriental dragon on the coat of arms of North Province, as seen in the folio and the 83 boxed set.
If you incorporate Dungeon's recent Adventure Path into Greyhawk (I do), there are a number of other dragons to add to the list. I'll see if I can generate a list when I've got access to my archive.
--Erik Mona
Editor-in-Chief
Dungeon
I've been very busy between work and setting up a home LAN, but I'll get an update in soon, hopefully.
Kwint
http://www.canonfire.com/htmlnew/modules.php?name=Content&pa=showpage&pid=7
It is at the bottom of the Tower of Power (10th level) and the Headquarters for the Ring of Five are within it. It is unnamed. Zagyg used the powers of the nine trapped Gods along with his own powers to turn the dragon into a "psuedo living temple".
I would say its more a construct than a Dragon and should not be added to the list. Apparently, no one on Oerth except Zagyg and the Ring of Five know it was ever a living Dragon.
Originally posted by cwslyclgh
well he added the Earth Dragon to the list which is a demigod, and not a dragon at all... so why not this one?
Just curious as to how its not a dragon at all, is it an elemental? I think abysslin may have added it hastily, he is behind on updating the list anyways.
Originally posted by Tizoc
What a great thread!
I think that one of the Greyhawk Dragons goes by many names. AFAIK, Aestrella is her own dragon, but I think that one of the two(?) male GH dragons accounts for a large number of aliases.
Also, here is the URL for the Google-archived webpage of the Joe Katzman article, DRAGONS OF THE AERDY LANDS, mentioned earlier: http://66.102.7.104/search?q=cache:UJ0XACM6bcYJ:www.dracheninsel.de/insel/add/greyhawk/dragons.htm
We could really use CF to make available the old Codex of Greyhawk!
I wouldn't be able to stick them in the non-canon table without his express permission.
here's where we're at....
DRAGONS OF OERTH
Azzre - female Blue Dragon - Great Kingdom (Rel Astra)
Eclipse - male Blue Dragon - Great Kingdom (Rel Astra)
Blackwing - male Blue Dragon - Great Kingdom (Rel Astra)
To those who don't know what I am talking about, check this out. All those titles are set in GH (WotC "forced" the issue, for which I am grateful for once).
The 3 dragons are pictured in the In the Shadow of Dragons series. The best so far IMHO.
Originally posted by Mortepierre
Not exactly "canon" but there are the 3 Blue Dragons siblings of Rel Astra: Azzre, Eclipse, and Blackwing.
To those who don't know what I am talking about, check this out. All those titles are set in GH (WotC "forced" the issue, for which I am grateful for once).
The 3 dragons are pictured in the In the Shadow of Dragons series. The best so far IMHO.
I had already added them from your previous post on those dragons.
Originally posted by Faraer
Ghorkai doesn't make the non-canon list?
I'm in the middle of creating a 3rd table which Nightscale and other dragons not specifically set in Greyhawk, but have some kind of loose attachment to the setting, will be.
Originally posted by abysslin
I had already added them from your previous post on those dragons.
Uh?!? That's the first time I mention them
Kwint
Just curious as to how its not a dragon at all, is it an elemental?
no, it is a god... an ancient Place Spirit or some such who-ha according to Slavers.
Dragons of Oerth
What do you guys think?
I know we still have alot to track down, so keep 'em coming ;)
thanks absylinI emailed Joe Katzman at his last known adress, and it bounced. I'm assuming it is probably way out of date. I think his "Dragons of Aerdy" content would enhance the page nicely if we couldtrack him down for permission.
I think the Highfolk LGG region has a Dragon known as the Velvet Queen some where in the Vesve by the Gnomish kingdom of Gilden or something to that effect.
Anybody got something solid on this one? I'm in the Highfolk region myself, but I don't participate in Living out of personal preference and the triad website seems to be non-existant.
Eric Boyd did 2 dragons in a series of articles for the Oerth Journal called Wyrms of Oerth IIRC. They'd be non-canon dragons though.
Anybody know which Journal these are in and their location?
Originally posted by rostoff
Now all we need to do is make the tables Sortable, Alphabetical by Name, Dragon type and Product. That shouldn't be to much work for you
ummm... LOL! I'm an HTML newbie, there's no way in the Abyss I could do that
Also, I added a note about location references referring to the original source in which a specific dragon appears.
Check it out...
Dragons of Oerth
Now, we just have to scry through every LGJ, Dungeon, & Dragon, as well as get Joe Katzman on the phone. ;)
Calcryx, white dragon wrymling - Sunless Citadel near the town of Oakhurst (which could be placed almost anywhere in the Flaness. I put it near Prymp, others place it closer to Greyhawk City).
Since you have a list with Nightscale on it, I thought you might want this little beast as well.
Also, I believe another iconic module has stats for Ashardalon, the half-fiendish red dragon. I don't have that module yet, but I'm sure someone else can give you more info on him.
-wn
Kwint