I mean the creatures will do anything to keep themselves far form physical or emotinal contact with themselves...imagne what goes for other races...
not to talk about it that most of them are allready dead..
anyway i guess its not so hard to invent one...
just drop all the spelllike abilities...
and convert the "change shape" to "change self"
and you can call it a normal race more or less..
I wrote up stats on half-irda a while back, prior to the release of the DLCS. Here's a link:
Half-Irda
*SPOILERS*
The story was false. A few of the tales from the Second Generation were true, but as Raistlin tells Usha in Dragons of Summer Flame, she is not his daughter. That is one of the main reasons Usha and Palin get married, otherwise they'd be cousins. Raistlin's comment to Usha "No, you're not my daughter...Palin should be happy about that." or something. As far as I know, there aren't any half-irda. It may be possible, but I haven't seen any in books as of yet.
Originally posted by Karui_Kage
The story was false. A few of the tales from the Second Generation were true, but as Raistlin tells Usha in Dragons of Summer Flame, she is not his daughter.
To be a bit more accurate...the idea that Usha was Raistlin's daughter is false. It is possible (albeit ulikely) that he has a daughter out there.
Originally posted by Dragonhelm
The story of Raistlin's Daughter is proof enough that a half-irda could exist, although such a character would be ultra-rare.
I wrote up stats on half-irda a while back, prior to the release of the DLCS. Here's a link:
Half-Irda
I looked in the irda you created...
dont you think that their magic ability is a bit overpowered?
I mean for one thing, even the irda dont get something like that (but if you wrote it before dlcs ig, i guess its understandable.)
anywau, the thing is not so strong when you are at the first levels (still strong) but when you go up and reach some high level, its really storng...somebody can cast an additional wish spell because he is an half irda...
but besides that, its pretty good.
Originally posted by cnposner
The Mischta from Otherlands would fit the role of "minor Irda"
Not really. Going by the 2nd edition stats given in Otherlands , the Mischta ( and the N'zunta ) still have the various Irda bonuses and powers. They differ from the Irda culturally and behaviouraly, rather than in terms of game-mechanics.
Originally posted by stige
I looked in the irda you created...
dont you think that their magic ability is a bit overpowered?
I mean for one thing, even the irda dont get something like that (but if you wrote it before dlcs ig, i guess its understandable.)
anywau, the thing is not so strong when you are at the first levels (still strong) but when you go up and reach some high level, its really storng...somebody can cast an additional wish spell because he is an half irda...
but besides that, its pretty good.
It was one of my earlier designs, and admittedly a throwback to the 2e rules on Irda. That was written way before the DLCS.
I may update it sometime to make it more in tune with the DLCS.
Originally posted by Dragonhelm
The story of Raistlin's Daughter is proof enough that a half-irda could exist, although such a character would be ultra-rare.
I wrote up stats on half-irda a while back, prior to the release of the DLCS. Here's a link:
Half-Irda
I thought the story was revealed in Dragons of Summer Flame to be just a story. Usha wasn't really his daughter, and Raistlin never actually had one. Unless the Irda lied...
In any case, i'd asked about this before, because that story discussed the fact that the Irda had lifespans far longer than those of elves, and that the lifespans assigned to them in published RPG supplements were incorrect as a result.
And was told that it didn't apply, because the story was fiction.
Of course, the Valin was integrated into their racial description....even though it only ever came from that same story.
I'm confused....
Banshee
Originally posted by Jaraizx Silvermane
Like the races in the forgotten realms players guide. I think the irda are underpowered for ecl2. On a side note....are half irda printed anywhere?
One thing I'm doing in my campaign is giving them the bonus feat "Eschew Material Components". In some of the books, such as "The Irda" they're described as not needing the material components that human and elven mages need, since the magic's so powerful in their blood.
Having that feat as a bonus would be a fairly big benefit. I was also thinking of giving them +2 to Perform (Singing) checks, as they are supposed to have breathtaking voices. Not too overpowering, I don't think...
Banshee
In reference to the rest....I SLEEP NOW. zzz.
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Originally posted by cnposner
The Mischta from Otherlands would fit the role of "minor Irda"
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Originally posted by Twilight Herald
Not really. Going by the 2nd edition stats given in Otherlands , the Mischta ( and the N'zunta ) still have the various Irda bonuses and powers. They differ from the Irda culturally and behaviouraly, rather than in terms of game-mechanics.
Not so. According to the Dragonlance Monstrous Compendium supplement (1990), irda had unlimited advancement as fighters, rangers, paladins, Wizards of High Sorcery, clerics of the Holy Orders of the stars, and thieves; whereas mischta (according to Otherlands) were restricted to 15th level as rangers, wizards and clerics, and to 10th level as fighters, paladins and thieves. Moreover irda could become Changer Adepts at 50 years and Changer Savants at 100; while mischta had to be 100 to become Changer Adepts and could apparently never become Changer Savants.
Originally posted by cnposner
Not so. According to the Dragonlance Monstrous Compendium supplement (1990), irda had unlimited advancement as fighters, rangers, paladins, Wizards of High Sorcery, clerics of the Holy Orders of the stars, and thieves; whereas mischta (according to Otherlands) were restricted to 15th level as rangers, wizards and clerics, and to 10th level as fighters, paladins and thieves. Moreover irda could become Changer Adepts at 50 years and Changer Savants at 100; while mischta had to be 100 to become Changer Adepts and could apparently never become Changer Savants.
These sorts of things don't factor in so much in 3rd edition - the Irda statistics should, in almost every case, work sufficiently well for the mischta (with appropriate alignment and class choices made). It's one of the major reasons we didn't bother adding them to the Bestiary; like the bakali, existing stats are good enough to represent them.
Cheers,
Cam
Originally posted by Cam Banks
These sorts of things don't factor in so much in 3rd edition - the Irda statistics should, in almost every case, work sufficiently well for the mischta (with appropriate alignment and class choices made). It's one of the major reasons we didn't bother adding them to the Bestiary; like the bakali, existing stats are good enough to represent them.
Cheers,
Cam
The problem is that the 3rd edition irda are classified as a powerful race and not available to 1st level characters: so I am arguing that the mischta could made to fit the niche of a 1st level irda-like character race. I suggest allowing them only one human/humanoid form until reaching 8th level, only one transformation per day per 5 levels (rounded up), and one spell-like ability per level up to 7th. The Changer Adept and Savant could be prestige classes.
Originally posted by Dragonhelm
To be a bit more accurate...the idea that Usha was Raistlin's daughter is false. It is possible (albeit ulikely) that he has a daughter out there.
Was it really false though? I mean wasn't that Takhisis roaming around in his "form"? I got the impression (after WoS) that Takhisis posed as Raist the whole time, not just at the end of DoSF. If not, then how did Raist get kicked off of Krynn and not remember it (by Tak)?
also, while we are on the subject (well while I am on the subject), does anyone know if they came out with the last 2 books of the War of Souls trilogy on Audio tape or CD? I have read the books, but at work I like listening to the tapes, but haven't seen these on audio tape or CD anywhere.
Thanks,
All in all, I believe the Raistlin's Daughter story was one of those 'kender tales' that 'Fizban' referenced in the intro to the Dragons of Summer Flame book (the foreword). That, and just numerous other hints about Raistlin towards Caramon and his women (and how Raistlin never really gets any) seem to point towards him never having a child, nor someone having a child whilst impersonating him.
Originally posted by Karui_Kage
Im fairly certain Takhisis never posed as Raistlin. She did pose as Fizban at one point, however up until the Summer of Chaos, she couldn't risk really posing as anyone else and gaining the gods' attention to her plan. However, after the Summer of Chaos, when she was the One God, she was free to pose as whoever she wanted. It does note in the DLCS that she did pose as Fizban in this event, but never as Raistlin. In fact, Raistlin was with Palin at the time of Takhisis posing as Fizban. In addition, the DLCS does explain that it was Raistlin, and who Takhisis did impersonate.
All in all, I believe the Raistlin's Daughter story was one of those 'kender tales' that 'Fizban' referenced in the intro to the Dragons of Summer Flame book (the foreword). That, and just numerous other hints about Raistlin towards Caramon and his women (and how Raistlin never really gets any) seem to point towards him never having a child, nor someone having a child whilst impersonating him.
no she posed as both Fizban and Raistlin at the end of DoSF, and that is kind of my point. If Raistlin was actually "active" during the events in DoSF, when did Tak actually start impersonating him? And if it was just at the end of DoSF, then how did Raist's "spirit" get kicked off out of Krynn and not know about it?
Perhaps you could tell me where it says Raist impersonated her? I have most of the books, at least the ones by Margaret Weis and Tracy Hickman, along with a few others, and would be happy to take a look.
Edit: In regards to Raistlin's spirit being kicked off of Krynn, that's a good point. I suppose it's plausible she could have been impersonating him at that moment, but I still fail to see at what point Raistlin could have had a daughter (the original discussion).
Originally posted by Karui_Kage
Hmmm. I read through the DLCS, but only saw notation that Takhisis impersonated Fizban, not Raistlin. I also just finished reading the Dragons of Summer Flame along with the War of Souls trilogy, and didn't find anything to point out that Raistlin was impersonated by her. In fact, in the WoS trilogy, it seems like he was speaking to the other gods about being fooled as well.
Perhaps you could tell me where it says Raist impersonated her? I have most of the books, at least the ones by Margaret Weis and Tracy Hickman, along with a few others, and would be happy to take a look.
Edit: In regards to Raistlin's spirit being kicked off of Krynn, that's a good point. I suppose it's plausible she could have been impersonating him at that moment, but I still fail to see at what point Raistlin could have had a daughter (the original discussion).
I know Raistlin's Daughter is a "What if" or "Elseworlds" type of thing....but my point was that it is possible Tak was impersonating Raist when Usha was told she was not his daughter....meaning it could have been a lie. I know I read somewhere that she impersonated both, but it was a long time ago and I can't remember the source (sorry). There are some glaring inconsistancies between stories that cause problems with Krynnish continuity, and i usually just ignore them and enjoy the stories. As long as it isn't something that flips reality (you know 180, and without good explanations), then i can usually handle it.