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#1 zombiegleemax Jun 06, 2004 15:09:05	Please help! My game session begins in like an hour and one of my players wants to play a thri-kreen. Unfortunately, the wording in the Athas.org document is really confusing! For the level adjustment, it says: Level Adjustment +1: Kreen characters start play as a 2-Hit Die monster without class levels, but in terms of gaining experience, they are treated as 3rd level characters. Kreen with class levels add 3 to their class level for experience purposes.
#2 zombiegleemax Jun 06, 2004 15:20:43	It means if you start off with character levels (I'm assuming you will) your player's kreen would be a 2nd level "thri-kreen"/1st level fighter (or whatever) with a +1 level adjustment. This would give you a 4th level character starting out (start him with the exact amount of xp needed to be 4th level). So to advance him to 2nd level fighter (again, or whatever) he'd need to go to 5th level on the xp chart. The above character would start out with whatever advantages his two racial hit dice give him (hit points, skill points, feats, etc) and whatever bonuses his class level (fighter in this case) would give him (hit points, bonus feats, base attack bonus, etc). The best way to think of it is the character is multiclassing as a 2nd level thri-kreen/1st level whatever (his kreen levels won't give him an xp penalty either by the way). Just don't forget that +1 level adjustment added to the mix. Note: I'm assuming Athas.org doesn't do anything different with LA or ECL. The above is going by the rules in the DMG and PHB.
#3 xlorepdarkhelm_dup Jun 06, 2004 16:54:32	You're correct. Also - Athas.org will possibly adapt the Thri-Kreen from the Expanded Psionics Handbook, then again, they might retain the one from the Monster Manual II that they currently are using. Or they could somehow get a combination of the two. Dunno yet. But if you use the one fro the XPH, there's a LA of +2, rather than +1.
#4 zombiegleemax Jun 07, 2004 0:21:04	See thats just one of the reasons I HATE 3rd... theres also cleave, great cleve.........
#5 xlorepdarkhelm_dup Jun 07, 2004 0:32:58	What does Cleave and Great Cleave have to do with LA's? :P Personally, I could never stomach 2nd Ed. I only would rarely actually submit to playing in it, and would never DM. Any game system (in my opinion) was better than it. 3/3.5e totally changed my thinking.
#6 zombiegleemax Jun 07, 2004 0:46:18	I guess we all feel like that about one edition or another. I'm a 2e man myself. But, oh well, so long as it supports Dark Sun it can't be all bad right?
#7 zombiegleemax Jun 07, 2004 0:50:41	One would think that But I was disappointed in the last Dragon(?) Mag... I was gona buy DS 3.5 for the "theatrics" of it... But I decided I will just create anything else I need.... Buts its good to know Im not the only 2nd ed DS player...
#8 zombiegleemax Jun 07, 2004 0:59:14	Drop by the Out of Print forum and you can find a few DS things there. I've written up one or two interesting items myself (converted PHB equipment chart, expanded encumbrance chart, etc). Anyway, I don't want to clutter the DS forum with a bunch of OOP talk.
#9 zombiegleemax Jun 07, 2004 1:39:12	10-4

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zombiegleemax

Jun 06, 2004 15:09:05

Please help! My game session begins in like an hour and one of my players wants to play a thri-kreen. Unfortunately, the wording in the Athas.org document is really confusing! For the level adjustment, it says:

Level Adjustment +1: Kreen characters start play as a 2-Hit Die monster without class levels, but in terms of gaining experience, they are treated as 3rd level characters. Kreen with class levels add 3 to their class level for experience purposes.

zombiegleemax

Jun 06, 2004 15:20:43

It means if you start off with character levels (I'm assuming you will) your player's kreen would be a 2nd level "thri-kreen"/1st level fighter (or whatever) with a +1 level adjustment.

This would give you a 4th level character starting out (start him with the exact amount of xp needed to be 4th level). So to advance him to 2nd level fighter (again, or whatever) he'd need to go to 5th level on the xp chart. The above character would start out with whatever advantages his two racial hit dice give him (hit points, skill points, feats, etc) and whatever bonuses his class level (fighter in this case) would give him (hit points, bonus feats, base attack bonus, etc).

The best way to think of it is the character is multiclassing as a 2nd level thri-kreen/1st level whatever (his kreen levels won't give him an xp penalty either by the way). Just don't forget that +1 level adjustment added to the mix.

Note: I'm assuming Athas.org doesn't do anything different with LA or ECL. The above is going by the rules in the DMG and PHB.

xlorepdarkhelm_dup

Jun 06, 2004 16:54:32

You're correct. Also - Athas.org will possibly adapt the Thri-Kreen from the Expanded Psionics Handbook, then again, they might retain the one from the Monster Manual II that they currently are using. Or they could somehow get a combination of the two. Dunno yet. But if you use the one fro the XPH, there's a LA of +2, rather than +1.

zombiegleemax

Jun 07, 2004 0:21:04

See thats just one of the reasons I HATE 3rd... theres also cleave, great cleve.........

xlorepdarkhelm_dup

Jun 07, 2004 0:32:58

What does Cleave and Great Cleave have to do with LA's? :P

Personally, I could never stomach 2nd Ed. I only would rarely actually submit to playing in it, and would never DM. Any game system (in my opinion) was better than it. 3/3.5e totally changed my thinking.

zombiegleemax

Jun 07, 2004 0:46:18

I guess we all feel like that about one edition or another. I'm a 2e man myself. But, oh well, so long as it supports Dark Sun it can't be all bad right?

zombiegleemax

Jun 07, 2004 0:50:41

One would think that But I was disappointed in the last Dragon(?) Mag... I was gona buy DS 3.5 for the "theatrics" of it... But I decided I will just create anything else I need.... Buts its good to know Im not the only 2nd ed DS player...

zombiegleemax

Jun 07, 2004 0:59:14

Drop by the Out of Print forum and you can find a few DS things there. I've written up one or two interesting items myself (converted PHB equipment chart, expanded encumbrance chart, etc). Anyway, I don't want to clutter the DS forum with a bunch of OOP talk.

zombiegleemax

Jun 07, 2004 1:39:12

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