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#1
zombiegleemax
Jun 12, 2004 22:19:15 Hey,

Just found this board. Love the Dark Sun and super ****** they don't make some new DS material. Athas.org is great and Ebay is fun to find the old stuff...

I spelled my user name wrong and now I can't change it... Dragi, what the hell is that really.

Anyways, love the board.
#2
xlorepdarkhelm_dup
Jun 12, 2004 22:25:34 Welcome.

1. Athas.org is not merely updating the version of Dark Sun - they are authorized to release new material. Two of the supplements they have are from the official rules that were planned to be released - Dregoth Ascending and Secrets of the Dead Lands - which they are still working on.

2. As I said before, welcome.
#3
zombiegleemax
Jun 12, 2004 22:33:33 what is Dregoth? I read about it on here, but I have not read anything about him/her/it.

No I understand Athas.ord. I love the stuff. The Draj book and whatnot is standup product.
#4
xlorepdarkhelm_dup
Jun 12, 2004 22:42:27 Dregoth, the Undead Dragon King of New Giustenal, leader of the Army of Light, and keeper of the only existing functional portal to the Outer Planes. He's big, he's mean, and he's the most powerful of the remaining Sorcerer-Kings (I think of all time, personally). He's also stuck - unable to advance to the final stage of the dragon metamorphosis, due to the fact he's undead. His Army of Light consists of tens of thousands of creatures known as Dray - Dragon-like humanoids that he modelled after his own form by twisting humans into them. He also has his sights set on the City-State of Raam. To top this all off, he's got a thousand years (or more) of pent up rage against the other Sorcerer-Kings (who had betrayed and killed him), and he's become obsessed with gaining new power.

City-State of Draj is sweet. So is theTerrors of Athas and the Core Rules (which will be even better once they get images added, and the core rules get updated to the XPH).
#5
zombiegleemax
Jun 13, 2004 1:30:10
Originally posted by xlorepdarkhelm
Welcome.

1. Athas.org is not merely updating the version of Dark Sun - they are authorized to release new material. Two of the supplements they have are from the official rules that were planned to be released - Dregoth Ascending and Secrets of the Dead Lands - which they are still working on.

2. As I said before, welcome.

Lets just say that Dregoth is somebody you don't want to mess with unless you like tangling with undead Near(full) Dragons. He is a good source of campaigns because after the Rajaat fiasco he is a big source of schemes especially in the second edition dark sun setting after the novels. He appears 10 years or more after Tyr's uprising but has existed before that. He is constantly trying to take over other cities. Sooner or later he will take a ciy and perhaps provoke open war with the other kings. That is all Athas needs.

Dregoth is the most powerful being now with Borys gone but he remembers being mass ganked by sorcerer kings and knows its not fun. If I were the sorcerer king's or a DM, I'd have a quest to find the scorcher which Hamanu tossed away. IT would probably go a long way to helping defeat Dregoth especially in the hands of a guy like Hamanu (if you are playing before his apparent fall in the novels). Not that it would be easy.

His city is not a place you want to visit. Unless you like fighting Dray.
#6
xlorepdarkhelm_dup
Jun 13, 2004 9:50:00 Dregoth Ascending is... wel.... cool. There's a lot of things that it does to the setting.
#7
Sysane
Jun 13, 2004 14:19:03
Dregoth Ascending is... wel.... cool. There's a lot of things that it does to the setting.

Which is most unfortunate that rest of the DS community can't view.

--Sysane, The Terror of Urik
#8
xlorepdarkhelm_dup
Jun 13, 2004 15:03:47 Hopefully, this will be solved shortly after the epic rules for Athas.org's version are finalized.
#9
Sysane
Jun 13, 2004 15:15:19 It should be released more as a campaign guide as opposed to a formal adventure.

Athas.org should leave it the individual DM's to use as a point of reference instead of sitting on the last offical supplement from 2e.

Dregoth Ascending should have been made public to the gaming community years ago.

--Sysane, The Terror of Urik
#10
jon_oracle_of_athas
Jun 13, 2004 16:45:28 We've asked Wizards for permission to release the unedited manuscripts, but they have not been forthcoming to this date.
#11
Sysane
Jun 13, 2004 16:56:58 Now by "forthcoming" do you mean Wizards won't let athas.org release it unedited or that they have not given an answer either way on the matter?

-Sysane, The Terror of Urik
#12
jon_oracle_of_athas
Jun 13, 2004 17:02:20 *Prods athas.org legal contact Gab*
#13
Sysane
Jun 13, 2004 17:05:36 Ah I see. Thats sad to hear. If only TSR had lasted one more year it would have seen print and the light of day.

--Sysane, The Terror of Urik
#14
xlorepdarkhelm_dup
Jun 14, 2004 2:02:09
Originally posted by Sysane
It should be released more as a campaign guide as opposed to a formal adventure.

Actually, as an adventure, it's good. There's a LOT of possible avenues for it to go, with several potential endings. And I'm not the kind who uses pre-canned adventures.
#15
Sysane
Jun 14, 2004 8:46:54 Thats great to hear. To bad rest of the DS fans have to wait for the next 3 years to implement (or even see a glimpse of) it in their own campaigns.

--Sysane, The Terror of Urik
#16
zombiegleemax
Jun 14, 2004 9:18:01
Originally posted by Sysane
Dregoth Ascending should have been made public to the gaming community years ago.

I wholeheartedly agree only because it was given to athas.org. if it hadn't then it really is up to WotC and thier people to release it; hell, I want to pay for it. Someone at sometime put time and effort into making that product. I would even pay athas.org for what they have done. Now that I have performed the requisite behind-kissing here comes my rant:

It really peeves me when those "in the know" keep bringing it up and say how good Dregoth Ascending is and whatnot. I, for one, am not part of the super-double secret club that is atahs.org and would rather you just shut up about it. Really. It only enrages me further that it seems as if just about anybody except for the general public can read the damned thing.

/rant
#17
Sysane
Jun 14, 2004 10:23:26 I honestly don't see why it couldn't have been released in its 2e form years ago. Be it due to athas.org or Wizards or a combo of both parties.

It was slated to be released by TSR less than a year before they folded and continued under the Wizards logo. There honestly couldn't have been that much work left to be done on it.

Granted, converting it to 3.0 or 3.5 is no easy task, but I don't think the majority of the DS fan base cares what form Dregoth Ascending comes out in just so long as its out and available to the community at large.

Sysane, The Terror of Urik
#18
zombiegleemax
Jun 14, 2004 10:36:17 Indeed. Considering that there is almost no background info provided by athas.org and all of that info is in 2e books, why should it matter what form it takes?

**edit**

Look here PLENTY of 2e stuff. None of it DS mind you, but there you have it. Released for the general public AS IS.
#19
jon_oracle_of_athas
Jun 14, 2004 10:50:54
It really peeves me when those "in the know" keep bringing it up and say how good Dregoth Ascending is and whatnot. I, for one, am not part of the super-double secret club that is atahs.org and would rather you just shut up about it. Really. It only enrages me further that it seems as if just about anybody except for the general public can read the damned thing.

I personally make it a policy not to talk about DA or SotD. What others do, especially those who have found a copy of the manuscripts on the net, I can't account for. If you pay attention, you'll notice the overcouncil and senators of athas.org (the only ones who have received internal copies) hardly ever disclose any references to either product.
#20
xlorepdarkhelm_dup
Jun 14, 2004 11:46:54
Originally posted by Jon, Oracle of Athas
I personally make it a policy not to talk about DA or SotD. What others do, especially those who have found a copy of the manuscripts on the net, I can't account for. If you pay attention, you'll notice the overcouncil and senators of athas.org (the only ones who have received internal copies) hardly ever disclose any references to either product.

True, I need to stop referencing it myself. I've just been trying to point to it to let people know that "there is something out there" that can answer many things, rather than he continued conjecture about how limited the setting is. I don't actually have a copy of the two, but I've done 20 questions on a few people to get a better understanding of it. I knowit's coming, I just am apparently a bit more patient about waiting for it than many are. Of course, geting a run-down on how it works, did help.
#21
dawnstealer
Jun 14, 2004 13:44:46

Ehhhhhhhhh!

#22
Sysane
Jun 14, 2004 14:08:34
I knowit's coming, I just am apparently a bit more patient about waiting for it than many are.

If you want to call being eager for a product that was suppose to be out 9 years ago to the general DS masses impatient, I guess I'm guilty as charged.

--Sysane, The Terror of Urik
#23
zombiegleemax
Jun 14, 2004 14:46:02 Dawnstealer

Ehhhhhhhhh!

Long time lurker and this is why I don't post much. Things like this tick me off.

Your a good artist Dawn, but this makes you look like a jerk. Sysane has a valid point here-haven't we all waited for Dregoth Ascending long enough?
#24
dawnstealer
Jun 14, 2004 16:09:15 Actually, as a long-time lurker, you should know that my whine is because the product has not been released, notably not a rip on Sysane. It would not make sense for me to blast him for something that I have said on many, many occasions, would it.

On a side note, I care very little if someone thinks I'm a jerk or if I torque them off. If that's the case, they're thinking, and that's never a bad thing. Deal.
#25
zombiegleemax
Jun 15, 2004 6:14:17
Originally posted by Sysane
If you want to call being eager for a product that was suppose to be out 9 years ago to the general DS masses impatient, I guess I'm guilty as charged.

Yeah, I guess that I am being impatient too.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
#1 zombiegleemax Jun 12, 2004 22:19:15	Hey, Just found this board. Love the Dark Sun and super ****** they don't make some new DS material. Athas.org is great and Ebay is fun to find the old stuff... I spelled my user name wrong and now I can't change it... Dragi, what the hell is that really. Anyways, love the board.
#2 xlorepdarkhelm_dup Jun 12, 2004 22:25:34	Welcome. 1. Athas.org is not merely updating the version of Dark Sun - they are authorized to release new material. Two of the supplements they have are from the official rules that were planned to be released - Dregoth Ascending and Secrets of the Dead Lands - which they are still working on. 2. As I said before, welcome.
#3 zombiegleemax Jun 12, 2004 22:33:33	what is Dregoth? I read about it on here, but I have not read anything about him/her/it. No I understand Athas.ord. I love the stuff. The Draj book and whatnot is standup product.
#4 xlorepdarkhelm_dup Jun 12, 2004 22:42:27	Dregoth, the Undead Dragon King of New Giustenal, leader of the Army of Light, and keeper of the only existing functional portal to the Outer Planes. He's big, he's mean, and he's the most powerful of the remaining Sorcerer-Kings (I think of all time, personally). He's also stuck - unable to advance to the final stage of the dragon metamorphosis, due to the fact he's undead. His Army of Light consists of tens of thousands of creatures known as Dray - Dragon-like humanoids that he modelled after his own form by twisting humans into them. He also has his sights set on the City-State of Raam. To top this all off, he's got a thousand years (or more) of pent up rage against the other Sorcerer-Kings (who had betrayed and killed him), and he's become obsessed with gaining new power. City-State of Draj is sweet. So is theTerrors of Athas and the Core Rules (which will be even better once they get images added, and the core rules get updated to the XPH).
#5 zombiegleemax Jun 13, 2004 1:30:10	Originally posted by xlorepdarkhelm Welcome. 1. Athas.org is not merely updating the version of Dark Sun - they are authorized to release new material. Two of the supplements they have are from the official rules that were planned to be released - Dregoth Ascending and Secrets of the Dead Lands - which they are still working on. 2. As I said before, welcome. Lets just say that Dregoth is somebody you don't want to mess with unless you like tangling with undead Near(full) Dragons. He is a good source of campaigns because after the Rajaat fiasco he is a big source of schemes especially in the second edition dark sun setting after the novels. He appears 10 years or more after Tyr's uprising but has existed before that. He is constantly trying to take over other cities. Sooner or later he will take a ciy and perhaps provoke open war with the other kings. That is all Athas needs. Dregoth is the most powerful being now with Borys gone but he remembers being mass ganked by sorcerer kings and knows its not fun. If I were the sorcerer king's or a DM, I'd have a quest to find the scorcher which Hamanu tossed away. IT would probably go a long way to helping defeat Dregoth especially in the hands of a guy like Hamanu (if you are playing before his apparent fall in the novels). Not that it would be easy. His city is not a place you want to visit. Unless you like fighting Dray.
#6 xlorepdarkhelm_dup Jun 13, 2004 9:50:00	Dregoth Ascending is... wel.... cool. There's a lot of things that it does to the setting.
#7 Sysane Jun 13, 2004 14:19:03	Dregoth Ascending is... wel.... cool. There's a lot of things that it does to the setting. Which is most unfortunate that rest of the DS community can't view. --Sysane, The Terror of Urik
#8 xlorepdarkhelm_dup Jun 13, 2004 15:03:47	Hopefully, this will be solved shortly after the epic rules for Athas.org's version are finalized.
#9 Sysane Jun 13, 2004 15:15:19	It should be released more as a campaign guide as opposed to a formal adventure. Athas.org should leave it the individual DM's to use as a point of reference instead of sitting on the last offical supplement from 2e. Dregoth Ascending should have been made public to the gaming community years ago. --Sysane, The Terror of Urik
#10 jon_oracle_of_athas Jun 13, 2004 16:45:28	We've asked Wizards for permission to release the unedited manuscripts, but they have not been forthcoming to this date.
#11 Sysane Jun 13, 2004 16:56:58	Now by "forthcoming" do you mean Wizards won't let athas.org release it unedited or that they have not given an answer either way on the matter? -Sysane, The Terror of Urik
#12 jon_oracle_of_athas Jun 13, 2004 17:02:20	Prods athas.org legal contact Gab
#13 Sysane Jun 13, 2004 17:05:36	Ah I see. Thats sad to hear. If only TSR had lasted one more year it would have seen print and the light of day. --Sysane, The Terror of Urik
#14 xlorepdarkhelm_dup Jun 14, 2004 2:02:09	Originally posted by Sysane It should be released more as a campaign guide as opposed to a formal adventure. Actually, as an adventure, it's good. There's a LOT of possible avenues for it to go, with several potential endings. And I'm not the kind who uses pre-canned adventures.
#15 Sysane Jun 14, 2004 8:46:54	Thats great to hear. To bad rest of the DS fans have to wait for the next 3 years to implement (or even see a glimpse of) it in their own campaigns. --Sysane, The Terror of Urik
#16 zombiegleemax Jun 14, 2004 9:18:01	Originally posted by Sysane Dregoth Ascending should have been made public to the gaming community years ago. I wholeheartedly agree only because it was given to athas.org. if it hadn't then it really is up to WotC and thier people to release it; hell, I want to pay for it. Someone at sometime put time and effort into making that product. I would even pay athas.org for what they have done. Now that I have performed the requisite behind-kissing here comes my rant: It really peeves me when those "in the know" keep bringing it up and say how good Dregoth Ascending is and whatnot. I, for one, am not part of the super-double secret club that is atahs.org and would rather you just shut up about it. Really. It only enrages me further that it seems as if just about anybody except for the general public can read the damned thing. /rant
#17 Sysane Jun 14, 2004 10:23:26	I honestly don't see why it couldn't have been released in its 2e form years ago. Be it due to athas.org or Wizards or a combo of both parties. It was slated to be released by TSR less than a year before they folded and continued under the Wizards logo. There honestly couldn't have been that much work left to be done on it. Granted, converting it to 3.0 or 3.5 is no easy task, but I don't think the majority of the DS fan base cares what form Dregoth Ascending comes out in just so long as its out and available to the community at large. Sysane, The Terror of Urik
#18 zombiegleemax Jun 14, 2004 10:36:17	Indeed. Considering that there is almost no background info provided by athas.org and all of that info is in 2e books, why should it matter what form it takes? edit Look here PLENTY of 2e stuff. None of it DS mind you, but there you have it. Released for the general public AS IS.
#19 jon_oracle_of_athas Jun 14, 2004 10:50:54	It really peeves me when those "in the know" keep bringing it up and say how good Dregoth Ascending is and whatnot. I, for one, am not part of the super-double secret club that is atahs.org and would rather you just shut up about it. Really. It only enrages me further that it seems as if just about anybody except for the general public can read the damned thing. I personally make it a policy not to talk about DA or SotD. What others do, especially those who have found a copy of the manuscripts on the net, I can't account for. If you pay attention, you'll notice the overcouncil and senators of athas.org (the only ones who have received internal copies) hardly ever disclose any references to either product.
#20 xlorepdarkhelm_dup Jun 14, 2004 11:46:54	Originally posted by Jon, Oracle of Athas I personally make it a policy not to talk about DA or SotD. What others do, especially those who have found a copy of the manuscripts on the net, I can't account for. If you pay attention, you'll notice the overcouncil and senators of athas.org (the only ones who have received internal copies) hardly ever disclose any references to either product. True, I need to stop referencing it myself. I've just been trying to point to it to let people know that "there is something out there" that can answer many things, rather than he continued conjecture about how limited the setting is. I don't actually have a copy of the two, but I've done 20 questions on a few people to get a better understanding of it. I knowit's coming, I just am apparently a bit more patient about waiting for it than many are. Of course, geting a run-down on how it works, did help.
#21 dawnstealer Jun 14, 2004 13:44:46	Ehhhhhhhhh!
#22 Sysane Jun 14, 2004 14:08:34	I knowit's coming, I just am apparently a bit more patient about waiting for it than many are. If you want to call being eager for a product that was suppose to be out 9 years ago to the general DS masses impatient, I guess I'm guilty as charged. --Sysane, The Terror of Urik
#23 zombiegleemax Jun 14, 2004 14:46:02	Dawnstealer Ehhhhhhhhh! Long time lurker and this is why I don't post much. Things like this tick me off. Your a good artist Dawn, but this makes you look like a jerk. Sysane has a valid point here-haven't we all waited for Dregoth Ascending long enough?
#24 dawnstealer Jun 14, 2004 16:09:15	Actually, as a long-time lurker, you should know that my whine is because the product has not been released, notably not a rip on Sysane. It would not make sense for me to blast him for something that I have said on many, many occasions, would it. On a side note, I care very little if someone thinks I'm a jerk or if I torque them off. If that's the case, they're thinking, and that's never a bad thing. Deal.
#25 zombiegleemax Jun 15, 2004 6:14:17	Originally posted by Sysane If you want to call being eager for a product that was suppose to be out 9 years ago to the general DS masses impatient, I guess I'm guilty as charged. Yeah, I guess that I am being impatient too.