to take The Test.But if it is, I assume it will be available to the rest of us poor schmucks who can't go to the conventions sometime in early July.
-TRRW
Originally posted by cnposner
According to http://www.dragonlance.com/products/display.asp?id=395 it is now scheduled for September. Just when we thought they were getting their act together!
No...didn't you read what Paladin (dl.com's webmaster) said he was going to do last week? (sorry...don't want to go looking for the thread)
Anyway...Paladin said because ToHS was still working off of a previously given date, and it was marked as released, he was just going to put the date at a couple months from now so that it at least wouldn't be showing up as released when it wasn't. (did you follow that? It made more sense in my mind.)
Anyway, point is...it's a website issue, not a publishing one.
EDIT:
Okay...I changed my mind and went looking for it.
Originally posted by Paladin
As for being out... Amazon is lying and so is DL.com. The June date is the last official one we have on record from Sovereign Press, but since I don't have anything more up-to-date in terms of an "actual" release date, it's listed as such.
Maybe I'll just move that back later in the year and update it when I get an update release schedule...
The product is listed in two places, one with the date of June, one with the date of September.
This is where the confusion comes from.
Now it's just a matter of waiting to see when the product actually comes out.
Originally posted by cnposner
I fear that the September estimate is the most up-to-date one.
Did you see what I posted above!? Paladin said this was what he was going to do...it has nothing to do with an actual "updated" date.
As far as I know, it is still supposed to be available at Origins (next weekend).
Originally posted by cnposner
Since we have not yet had a preview, it seems that we shall not see anything in print until mid-August.
I'm afraid the logic here escapes me.
You do realize that Sovereign Press is busy not only working on three different Dragonlance products, but also getting ready for the summer convention season (i.e. Origins, GenCon Indy), right? I'm sure you also realize that Sovereign Press also has another fantastic game line called Sovereign Stone to contend with. (I highly recommend it.) Plus, let's not forget that Margaret is working on an upcoming book - Ashes and Amber, book I of the Dark Disciple trilogy.
Needless to say, they're a bit busy right now, especially with Origins next week.
The fact that they don't have previews up yet can only draw one conclusion - that the previews aren't up. One can speculate that they are any number of things, but you cannot draw a definitive conclusion that Towers of High Sorcery will not be out on time simply because a preview is not on the website yet.
Negativity breeds negativity, and is by no means productive. I can understand if you're disappointed in some past delays. That's fine. What isn't cool is harping about it on these boards. That adds nothing to the discussion. All it does is cause disruption of the boards.
Rather than speculate on something that hasn't happened yet, I'd rather focus on the product at hand.
I think Towers of High Sorcery is going to be a fantastic product. For the first time, we're going to have details on all 5 towers. I'm betting there's going to be juicy bits like spells, magic items, and prestige classes. Will we see a moon disciple or a renegade hunter? I'd also like to see tidbits on the magic of Krynn, and how the WoHS will be contending with the other magic-users in the modern era.
Originally posted by ferratus
Plus, it is going to be the first hardcover book without the huge borders, meaning many more words per page. Yay!
'Fraid not. That'll be War of the Lance.
I am looking forward to the Towers of High Sorcery again given how well the Beastiary turned out.
Originally posted by cnposner
so it is unlikely to be generally available before September.
Where do you get your information from? Certainly not from us!
Yes, the book is at WotC for approval. As soon as they approve it, it will go to the printer that very day. From then, probably give it four to six weeks, if that long. So at the latest we're looking at early-mid August, but chances of it being widely available before then are good. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if we saw it before the end of July. We can't give any definite dates until the book gets to the printer and they tell us when they'll have it finished. Until then, please lay off the eternal pessimism.
Originally posted by Whyndam
Where do you get your information from? Certainly not from us!
My information comes from Margaret Weis herself. Look up the aforementioned website if you don't believe me. There seems to be a communications failure within the company.
Yes, the book is at WotC for approval. As soon as they approve it, it will go to the printer that very day. From then, probably give it four to six weeks, if that long. So at the latest we're looking at early-mid August, but chances of it being widely available before then are good. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if we saw it before the end of July. We can't give any definite dates until the book gets to the printer and they tell us when they'll have it finished. Until then, please lay off the eternal pessimism.
Assuming that Wizards do not send it back again for correction (a big assumption, since they seem to be constantly doing this), it appears on past experience that it will take nearly two months to print- given that you are printing abroad as normal.
Originally posted by cnposner
My information comes from Margaret Weis herself. Look up the aforementioned website if you don't believe me. There seems to be a communications failure within the company.
You seem to be misunderstanding what is being said. There's no mention of September as a release date, Origins is this coming week, and it's been stated that the book is still in approval, so the information Whyndam is passing on is accurate to date.
Cheers,
Cam
Originally posted by cnposner
My information comes from Margaret Weis herself. Look up the aforementioned website if you don't believe me. There seems to be a communications failure within the company.
Okay. If you look at my previous post, I did not question where you got the information that ToHS was at WotC for approvals. In fact, I said in my post that it is indeed at WotC for approvals. I questioned where you heard that the book wouldn't be coming out until September.
Assuming that Wizards do not send it back again for correction (a big assumption, since they seem to be constantly doing this), it appears on past experience that it will take nearly two months to print- given that you are printing abroad as normal.
You know what they say when people assume things... as you have with the assumption that this book will not come out until September. Our printer would have been able to have books to us at Origins, which starts on Thursday, if we had been able to give them the book just two weeks ago. Granted, they would not have been widely available yet, but they would be done and some people could have bought them. It would have been just two or three weeks after that when they would have been widely available. Now tell me, does that add up to two months? No. Two weeks before today, plus three weeks after today equals five weeks. Even if we don't get the book to the printer until after the 4th if July holiday, it should still be available in the middle of August.
Now I will admit that there is a SLIGHT possibility of Towers not coming out until September if things go wrong in multiple places. However, my money is on it being widely available sometime between the end of July and middle of August. If it isn't available until September, you can all call me on it on these public boards and I will respond and admit that you were right. Until then, can we please lay off the negativity and pessimism?
Originally posted by Whyndam
Now I will admit that there is a SLIGHT possibility of Towers not coming out until September if things go wrong in multiple places. However, my money is on it being widely available sometime between the end of July and middle of August. If it isn't available until September, you can all call me on it on these public boards and I will respond and admit that you were right. Until then, can we please lay off the negativity and pessimism?
Well...I'm not putting my money down on anything...especially given how close "mid-August" is to "September" (sorry cnposner....I should have known that no news is bad news)
That being said, however...I much prefer a late product than one that has, say, 40 pages missing out of the middle of it like Eberron was.
So...I'll be the one to ask...how is the War of the Lance book coming along? Is there a still a chance for it to make it to GenCon?
Originally posted by Whyndam
Okay. If you look at my previous post, I did not question where you got the information that ToHS was at WotC for approvals. In fact, I said in my post that it is indeed at WotC for approvals. I questioned where you heard that the book wouldn't be coming out until September.
It is true that September was not mentioned in so many words, but it is a matter of simple arithmetic.
You know what they say when people assume things... as you have with the assumption that this book will not come out until September. Our printer would have been able to have books to us at Origins, which starts on Thursday, if we had been able to give them the book just two weeks ago. Granted, they would not have been widely available yet, but they would be done and some people could have bought them. It would have been just two or three weeks after that when they would have been widely available. Now tell me, does that add up to two months? No. Two weeks before today, plus three weeks after today equals five weeks. Even if we don't get the book to the printer until after the 4th if July holiday, it should still be available in the middle of August.
I seem to recall that the Bestiary went to print on the 8th March, but was not officially released until the 26th April, and did not become available in most shops until a week or more later: according to my my calculations, that is nearly two months.
Now I will admit that there is a SLIGHT possibility of Towers not coming out until September if things go wrong in multiple places. However, my money is on it being widely available sometime between the end of July and middle of August. If it isn't available until September, you can all call me on it on these public boards and I will respond and admit that you were right. Until then, can we please lay off the negativity and pessimism?
I would like as much as anybody else to "lay off the negativity and pessimism"; unfortunately, the hard facts of past experience and present logic all weigh against this.
Originally posted by cnposner
I would like as much as anybody else to "lay off the negativity and pessimism"; unfortunately, the hard facts of past experience and present logic all weigh against this.
I understand where you're coming from, but at the rate we're going, we're just going to land up getting a WizO mad at us.
What's going to happen next is that someone will come in and defend Sovereign Press, to which you reply back and state that you have a right to your opinion (which you do), and then it'll eventually get heated and bring in the flame-seeking WizO.
We have a tentative date, so rather than go down that road, let's get back to the topic at hand - namely discussing Towers of High Sorcery.
What exactly will the book contain?
Seeing as how everyone on the Character Optimization board vomits whenever you mention the WoHS PrC, I'm hoping a reworked version of that.
Anyone know of some details we can count on?
Originally posted by Ithilorien
Seeing as how everyone on the Character Optimization board vomits whenever you mention the WoHS PrC, I'm hoping a reworked version of that.
That sounds particularly awful. What's their problem with it?
Cheers,
Cam
Now I will admit that there is a SLIGHT possibility of Towers not coming out until September if things go wrong in multiple places. However, my money is on it being widely available sometime between the end of July and middle of August. If it isn't available until September, you can all call me on it on these public boards and I will respond and admit that you were right. Until then, can we please lay off the negativity and pessimism?
This is about as fair, open and forthcoming a post as you are likely to see from any publisher, at any time, ever.
And I, for one, appreciate it.
/me salutes
As to what is in the book...
Full, detailed descriptions of all five Towers of High Sorcery.
Raistlin as a 1st level apprentice, as well as a letter he wrote to the archmage who paid his way through school
Dalamar as he was just after he passed his Test
New spells like Time Reaver
A detailed history of magic on Krynn
There is more, but I'll leave you with those teasers for now. Starting tomorrow on Dragonlance.com, we will begin posting previews to tantalize you and keep you salivating until the book is released!
Originally posted by Whyndam
Raistlin as a 1st level apprentice, as well as a letter he wrote to the archmage who paid his way through school
Which archmage?
And, you know, we haven't seen the term archmage used much in DL lately.
Originally posted by silvanthalas
Which archmage?
And, you know, we haven't seen the term archmage used much in DL lately.
Well, I can see Antimodes as an archmage PrC, can't you?
Originally posted by silvanthalas
Which archmage?
And, you know, we haven't seen the term archmage used much in DL lately.
There haven't been many who qualify.
Cheers,
Cam
Originally posted by Whyndam
I just wanted to let everyone know that we got ToHS back from WotC yesterday approved with just a couple of corrections to the title page. This means it will be going to the printer today. We'll let you all know when we have an exact release date.
As to what is in the book...
Full, detailed descriptions of all five Towers of High Sorcery.
Raistlin as a 1st level apprentice, as well as a letter he wrote to the archmage who paid his way through school
Dalamar as he was just after he passed his Test
New spells like Time Reaver
A detailed history of magic on Krynn
There is more, but I'll leave you with those teasers for now. Starting tomorrow on Dragonlance.com, we will begin posting previews to tantalize you and keep you salivating until the book is released!
Ooh, Previews! Gimme !!
Originally posted by Cam Banks
There haven't been many who qualify.
True, and it seems to me that Antimodes would not qualify as one either...but who else would he be talking about. The big deal about Antimodes was that he was the only mage to sponcer Raistlin...the only one who paid his way through school.
Originally posted by talinthas
I miss poolbottom
What happened to it?
Or was it not Poolbottom in Soulforge?
Originally posted by Cam Banks
There haven't been many who qualify.
For the archmage - Well, in the 5th Age, duh, no.
But we've had enough "historical" material still in the past few years.
Originally posted by silvanthalas
But we've had enough "historical" material still in the past few years.
The Kingpriest trilogy introduces a number of high-level mover and shaker wizards. Many of them would qualify.
Cheers,
Cam
1) Great to see all the information from the Kingpriest trilogy included. Vincil's statblock and description are great!
2) Thank you for finally clearing up the name of the suicidial Black Robe who jumped off Wayreth. Calling him Andras Rannoch was the best way to reconcile the name given in the Defenders of Magic Trilogy and the Kingpriest Trilogy.
Can't wait for the whole thing!
Originally posted by raistlinrox
I saw a post earlier asking if the WotL book would still be at GenCon, but I haven't seen it answered yet... Any info on this please?
As far as I know, everything is still on track for this.