Dragonlance Boxed Set and WotL

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#1

brimstone

Jun 21, 2004 15:43:25
Hey guys...I mentioned this in another thread...but that was really one dedicated to Towers of High Sorcery so I wanted to ask it here. I don't want to start a negativity brawl...I just have two questions. I don't need to know any new dates, but I was wondering if:

a) Is the Dragonlance Adventure Game boxed set still on schedule for a July release?

b) Same thing for the War of the Lance...is it still on schedule for an August release?

Like I said, if not, that's fine...I don't need to know any new tenative dates, I'm just curious if what we still have is valid or not.

Thanks!
#2

zombiegleemax

Jun 22, 2004 7:21:35
We will be announcing a new release date for the boxed set next month, and hope to have copies of War of the Lance to sell at GenCon with a full hobby- and book-trade release within a few weeks after that. What's announced initially is tentative release months, with an official release date only gained after we have a full ship date from a printer.

Thanks guys! It's a bumpy ride, I know, but after a four-month gap we're actually getting out regular product again. Towers will be out before you know it, and more on the way after that!

Jamie Chambers
Sovereign Press, Inc.
#3

brimstone

Jun 22, 2004 10:05:01
Originally posted by jechambers
What's announced initially is tentative release months, with an official release date only gained after we have a full ship date from a printer.

I know, I was just wondering since we were getting close to the dates.

Thanks for the info Jamie!
#4

rolapin

Jun 23, 2004 8:15:18
What's in the War of the Lance by the way ?
Is it the entire campaign rewritten for D&D3.5 or just the background of the Chronicles of the Lance ?

Is suppose it's the first but I just want a confirmation...

By the way, it's cool
#5

cam_banks

Jun 23, 2004 8:27:03
Originally posted by Rolapin
What's in the War of the Lance by the way ?
Is it the entire campaign rewritten for D&D3.5 or just the background of the Chronicles of the Lance ?

Is suppose it's the first but I just want a confirmation...

It's like the Age of Mortals sourcebook, giving you substantial background information, characters, new rules and adventure materials for running games before and during the War of the Lance.

Cheers,
Cam
#6

zombiegleemax

Jun 23, 2004 20:49:47
will we be getting a War of the Lance adventure module? (Ala Key of Destiny)?? PLEASE?
#7

zombiegleemax

Jul 23, 2004 7:21:18
Since it is now nearly the end of July- the month in which the Dragonlance Adventure Game was supposed to be released- could someone tell us the latest news about this product?
#8

zombiegleemax

Jul 23, 2004 8:08:41
Originally posted by cnposner
Since it is now nearly the end of July- the month in which the Dragonlance Adventure Game was supposed to be released- could someone tell us the latest news about this product?

The Dragonlance Adventure Game has been delayed for a few months. We're in the process of updating our release schedule and should have a list of our Quarter 3 & 4 releases within the next week. Thanks!

Jamie Chambers
Sovereign Press, Inc.
#9

zombiegleemax

Jul 23, 2004 8:59:06
Originally posted by jechambers
Thanks guys! It's a bumpy ride, I know, but after a four-month gap we're actually getting out regular product again. Towers will be out before you know it, and more on the way after that!

We Dragonlance fans might seem like a bunch of grumpy mountain dwarves at times but I think I speak for us all when I say that we REALLY appreciate your work at Sovereign Press! You guys do a fine job in developing the Dragonlance we all hoped would come for 3.5!

Ravenmantle
#10

iltharanos

Jul 23, 2004 14:49:14
Damn damn damn I want that Wotl book! But I also want the ToHS book! :D

Hmm, I wonder how the Wotl book addresses certain issues, like:

1. Per the DLCS, it states Bards can't cast spells in the Wotl era. So do they get additional abilities in compensation? If so, can Bards in the post-War of Souls era choose to be this non-spellcasting type of Bard?

2. Same for the ranger. Of course, Complete Warrior gives us a variant ranger without spellcasting ... though that non-spellcasting ranger makes use of supernatural and spell-like abilities ... so it doesn't seem appropriate as a substitute.

3. Adventuring parties in a world without deities. How does the party heal after combat? Feats that grant faster natural healing? Feats that convert arcane spell levels to weak healing spells (e.g. 1d6 hp healed per arcane spell slot sacrificed)? New uses for old skills (e.g. craft(alchemy) can actually produce limited healing effects)? Something else entirely?

4. Lots of cool, detailed maps of important places in the War of the Lance? e.g. Pax Tharkas, Thorbardin, ruined city of Istar, all of Abanasinia (including Haven!).

5. Info. on the Seeker movement?

6. Detailed geo-political info. e.g. Lemish, who lives there and what they're up to.

7. Key NPC write-ups. e.g. Berem the Everman, that traitor guy that accompanied the Companions to Pax Tharkas but whose name escapes me, Bupu!, Solastaron, Lorac, Cyan Bloodbane!, Elistan, etc.
#11

zombiegleemax

Jul 23, 2004 15:35:09
What is going to be inluded in the boxed set? I think that the cover looks pretty neat. Is this box set necessary though?
#12

zombiegleemax

Jul 23, 2004 16:09:54
Originally posted by jechambers
The Dragonlance Adventure Game has been delayed for a few months. We're in the process of updating our release schedule and should have a list of our Quarter 3 & 4 releases within the next week. Thanks!

Jamie Chambers
Sovereign Press, Inc.

Does that mean that War of the Lance and Spectre of Sorrows have also been delayed for "a few" months?
#13

zombiegleemax

Jul 23, 2004 16:34:27
Originally posted by cnposner
Does that mean that War of the Lance and Spectre of Sorrows have also been delayed for "a few" months?

As I said, we'll be posting our updated schedule soon. As for War of the Lance, we are expecting to have advance copies to sell at GenCon but the final release will be delayed because it's going to take time to ship it from overseas. Spectre of Sorrows is still on-track for an early-November release. We'll be posting the new cover mockup for the book soon!

Jamie Chambers
Sovereign Press, Inc.
#14

zombiegleemax

Jul 23, 2004 21:53:41
Originally posted by jechambers
Spectre of Sorrows is still on-track for an early-November release. We'll be posting the new cover mockup for the book soon!

Right on Jamie! :D Can't wait to see it....
#15

daedavias_dup

Jul 23, 2004 23:46:29
Originally posted by iltharanos
3. Adventuring parties in a world without deities. How does the party heal after combat? Feats that grant faster natural healing? Feats that convert arcane spell levels to weak healing spells (e.g. 1d6 hp healed per arcane spell slot sacrificed)? New uses for old skills (e.g. craft(alchemy) can actually produce limited healing effects)? Something else entirely?

A rule such as this would more than likely belong in the Towers book, since this method would find use in every era. I hope there is something describing the mechanic Raistlin used to heal Tasslehoff in DoSD. Using craft(alchemy) to mimic a potion of cure ??? wounds would also be a good.
#16

zombiegleemax

Jul 24, 2004 8:54:12
Originally posted by Daedavias
A rule such as this would more than likely belong in the Towers book, since this method would find use in every era. I hope there is something describing the mechanic Raistlin used to heal Tasslehoff in DoSD. Using craft(alchemy) to mimic a potion of cure ??? wounds would also be a good.

I'm thinking of the spell Timeheal, originally from DLA and now updated in Towers of High Sorcery for 3.5 -- it's a 7th level sorcerer/wizard spell.

Jamie Chambers
Sovereign Press, Inc.
#17

daedavias_dup

Jul 24, 2004 9:03:11
Originally posted by jechambers
I'm thinking of the spell Timeheal, originally from DLA and now updated in Towers of High Sorcery for 3.5 -- it's a 7th level sorcerer/wizard spell.

Jamie Chambers
Sovereign Press, Inc.

Well that was quick! It's good to see that you guys have all of the bases covered.

What exactly does Timeheal do though?
#18

cam_banks

Jul 24, 2004 9:15:16
Originally posted by Daedavias
Well that was quick! It's good to see that you guys have all of the bases covered.

What exactly does Timeheal do though?

Reverses time around the injury, restoring it by making it so it never happened, essentially.

Cheers,
Cam
#19

zombiegleemax

Jul 25, 2004 0:18:54
Really looking forward to the WotL release Jamie. While I can't be at Gencon, a few of the guys in my gaming circle will be there so I'll get them to snap up what new stuff you have available there for me.

I'm even starting to come around on the Bestiary of Krynn too Cam. I am using a Child of Chemosh as a new "main villain" in this chapter of my campaign and I am liking the results a lot. While the Danse Macabre can be devastatingly nasty, I do like the fact that it does not take a horrendously powerful villainous character to qualify for the PrC. This is very important to me. Making interesting monsters and PrCs in the CR 12-15 power level is not that difficult; making a decent CR6-8 PrC on the other hand, is and I like the CoC a lot. Alter the underlying undead base creature and the class scales nicely in power too.

Current villain is a Ghoul/ 4th level Clr of Cemosh/ 2nd level Child of Chemosh (never mind the 4HD Goul->Ghast rule, I didn't want it to be as mean as a Ghast). Seeing as the Clerics of Chemosh got very little in detailed power and domains coming out of the DLCS or AoM (read - none), the CoC was very appreciated.
#20

zombiegleemax

Jul 25, 2004 2:44:37
Is that what Raistlin Did? I always though Tas was truely dead, and Raistlin had used limited Wish or Wish to duplicate Raise dead or some other ressurecting spell.

I alwasy liked the idea because it actaully cost him something substantial (EXP) therefor discharging his debt, rather than cost him a spell he could re-learn in the morning.

*Shurg* ohh well.
#21

zombiegleemax

Jul 25, 2004 11:31:52
Originally posted by Teclis of House Magi
Is that what Raistlin Did? I always though Tas was truely dead, and Raistlin had used limited Wish or Wish to duplicate Raise dead or some other ressurecting spell.

I alwasy liked the idea because it actaully cost him something substantial (EXP) therefor discharging his debt, rather than cost him a spell he could re-learn in the morning.

*Shurg* ohh well.

You know, when I first read that scene I thought about wish magic as well! And if Tas truly was dead, then timeheal would not do much good, since it can only aid the living--Raistlin would have to resort to stronger magic!

Jamie Chambers
Sovereign Press, Inc.
#22

cam_banks

Jul 25, 2004 13:11:35
Originally posted by Steel_Wind

I'm even starting to come around on the Bestiary of Krynn too Cam. I am using a Child of Chemosh as a new "main villain" in this chapter of my campaign and I am liking the results a lot. While the Danse Macabre can be devastatingly nasty, I do like the fact that it does not take a horrendously powerful villainous character to qualify for the PrC. This is very important to me. Making interesting monsters and PrCs in the CR 12-15 power level is not that difficult; making a decent CR6-8 PrC on the other hand, is and I like the CoC a lot. Alter the underlying undead base creature and the class scales nicely in power too.

I've hd some very good comments about the child of Chemosh overall, and I'm pleased that the results of combining it with various undead creature types are generally balanced. One of the hardest things about writing up prestige classes, with a tight deadline and revisions made throughout the development process, is getting every last permutation thought out fully. I've seen this become a problem with some of my prestige classes in the past, and I think it's an ongoing learning process. It certainly is with WOTC R&D, who have had some negative feedback on their own classes too, only to revise them later to the betterment of the class concept.

Chemosh is going to be getting a lot more airplay in the coming couple of years, I think - it's already been hinted that he plays a part in the Mina trilogy (from the blurbs that are being published), and he's a big player in the Age of Mortals campaign modules. All we need to do now is make sure that there are enough resources and references for people to use him, and/or any of the other evil gods, so that Takhisis doesn't remain the only evil god in people's minds.

Cheers,
Cam
#23

zombiegleemax

Jul 26, 2004 17:47:33
What is the purpose of the release of the Dragonlance boxed set? Isnt all the information already in the DLCS and the AOM? Or is this being centered for new players?
#24

zombiegleemax

Jul 26, 2004 17:53:38
Originally posted by Amaron Blackthorn
What is the purpose of the release of the Dragonlance boxed set? Isnt all the information already in the DLCS and the AOM? Or is this being centered for new players?

The Dragonlance Adventure Game is a product released with younger players and a family audience in mind--as well as novel readers who would like to try roleplaying without investing in the Player's Handbook, Dungeon Master's Guide, Monster Manual, and Dragonlance Campaign Setting. For twenty-five dollars, they can have an adventure for an entire group including simple rules and the dice they need to play!

Experienced gamers might find the product an excellent gift to lure your friends into your hobby!

Jamie Chambers
Sovereign Press, Inc.
#25

zombiegleemax

Jul 27, 2004 10:53:10
Then that sounds like a great reason to release the product.
#26

ferratus

Jul 27, 2004 11:20:22
Will the WotL book finally tell us things like:

a) How the governments of the various states works?
b) Where the borders are of the various states?
c) What the population of the continent, states and cities are?
d) What cultural differences seperate the human nations from each other?

Otherwise, there really isn't anything in that book for me. I don't want to play the original modules with 3.5 rules.
#27

zombiegleemax

Jul 27, 2004 11:29:43
I dont think that it is going to reprint the modules in a 3.5 format, only provide relevant information on the continent of Ansalon at the time of the War of the Lance!
#28

zombiegleemax

Jul 27, 2004 11:37:15
Originally posted by jechambers
The Dragonlance Adventure Game is a product released with younger players and a family audience in mind--as well as novel readers who would like to try roleplaying without investing in the Player's Handbook, Dungeon Master's Guide, Monster Manual, and Dragonlance Campaign Setting. For twenty-five dollars, they can have an adventure for an entire group including simple rules and the dice they need to play!

Experienced gamers might find the product an excellent gift to lure your friends into your hobby!

Jamie Chambers
Sovereign Press, Inc.

I see it as being similar to the [b][i]DnD Adventures Game[/b][/i]. That boxed set(The DnD Adventure Game ) makes it easy for people that have never played DnD(Or at least those whom have never played 3E DnD ) to learn the ropes of 3E. As a matter of fact the boxed set was the first 3E DnD product I ever purchased.

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#29

zombiegleemax

Jul 27, 2004 11:40:35
Are these two boxed sets set to be released at about the same time?
#30

zombiegleemax

Jul 27, 2004 11:43:30
Originally posted by Amaron Blackthorn
Are these two boxed sets set to be released at about the same time?

The [b]DnD Adventure Game Boxed Set[/b] was released August of the year 2000. I do not know when the Dragonlance boxed set game will be coming out.

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#31

zombiegleemax

Jul 27, 2004 12:53:32
Originally posted by ferratus
Will the WotL book finally tell us things like:

a) How the governments of the various states works?
b) Where the borders are of the various states?
c) What the population of the continent, states and cities are?
d) What cultural differences seperate the human nations from each other?

Otherwise, there really isn't anything in that book for me. I don't want to play the original modules with 3.5 rules.

Chapter Three of the book, which contains the regional information, is over ninety pages in length. It has maps covering most of the regions, very similar in presentation to Eberron, and has all kinds of details--including population, government, and adventure hooks. Chapter Four is cities, strongholds, and ruins and zooms in on select locations (such as Dargaard Keep, a sample flying citadel, Palanthas, etc.). I think most fans will be overjoyed by the amount of detail we poured into the book's 320 pages!

Jamie Chambers
Sovereign Press, Inc.
#32

valharic

Jul 27, 2004 12:58:02
Oh man, I just salivating now!!! Can't wait for GenCon!!

THANKS JEFF!!
#33

ferratus

Jul 27, 2004 13:03:23
90 pages is a good chunk, and if it has all that you claim, I shall be very overjoyed. This information has been a long time coming, decades long in fact. Thanks for being responsive to the needs of your fanbase.
#34

cam_banks

Jul 27, 2004 13:35:44
Originally posted by jechambers
I think most fans will be overjoyed by the amount of detail we poured into the book's 320 pages!

Who says Sovereign Press ain't listening? ;)

Cheers,
Cam
#35

iltharanos

Jul 27, 2004 14:38:00
Originally posted by jechambers
Chapter Three of the book, which contains the regional information, is over ninety pages in length. It has maps covering most of the regions, very similar in presentation to Eberron, and has all kinds of details--including population, government, and adventure hooks. Chapter Four is cities, strongholds, and ruins and zooms in on select locations (such as Dargaard Keep, a sample flying citadel, Palanthas, etc.). I think most fans will be overjoyed by the amount of detail we poured into the book's 320 pages!

Jamie Chambers
Sovereign Press, Inc.

Holy crap. That's so freakin cool. This is such an exciting time to be a Dragonlance fan ... awesome novels being cranked out and awesome DL game material to help us all adventure in this fantastic world.

to Sovereign Press!
#36

kipper_snifferdoo_02

Jul 27, 2004 20:18:25
Originally posted by jechambers
Chapter Three of the book, which contains the regional information, is over ninety pages in length. It has maps covering most of the regions, very similar in presentation to Eberron, and has all kinds of details--including population, government, and adventure hooks.

Man, I'm glad Jamie mentioned this! I've been sitting here with my mouth shut, and will continue to do so about the details ;), but I can definately tell you guys that this book is gonna rock! :D I'm really excited about it!
#37

zombiegleemax

Jul 27, 2004 20:24:02
Towers of High Sorcery and DL War of the Lance at Gen-Con!!!! Monty Haul!! I'm gonna be in so much trouble when I get home.
#38

zombiegleemax

Jul 27, 2004 21:00:13
Originally posted by Kipper Snifferdoo
Man, I'm glad Jamie mentioned this! I've been sitting here with my mouth shut, and will continue to do so about the details ;), but I can definately tell you guys that this book is gonna rock! :D I'm really excited about it!

I havn't been disappointed yet by Sov. Press. So based on what I've seen so for, I don't think I will be for the forseeable future :D

All we need now is a "detailes galor" Atlas of Krynn.
#39

zombiegleemax

Jul 28, 2004 11:11:04
The Tension mounts! Oh what a feelin'.
#40

zombiegleemax

Aug 04, 2004 8:07:01
Does anyone know when we are going to see any WotL web previews?
#41

zombiegleemax

Aug 04, 2004 8:12:02
Originally posted by cnposner
Does anyone know when we are going to see any WotL web previews?

I will be working on compiling the web previews this week and getting them approved for your online viewing pleasure. Like before, the plan is to show off one element from each chapter--except for Tracy Hickman's adventure. For that you'll have to take a look at the book itself!

My goal is to try to get the first preview up just before GenCon later this month. (No promises, though, because they have to be approved before I can post them.) Thanks!

Jamie Chambers
Sovereign Press, Inc.
#42

zombiegleemax

Aug 04, 2004 8:33:40
Originally posted by jechambers
I will be working on compiling the web previews this week and getting them approved for your online viewing pleasure. Like before, the plan is to show off one element from each chapter--except for Tracy Hickman's adventure. For that you'll have to take a look at the book itself!

My goal is to try to get the first preview up just before GenCon later this month. (No promises, though, because they have to be approved before I can post them.) Thanks!



Jamie Chambers
Sovereign Press, Inc.

I take it that, since you have not yet obtained approval, the earlier plan to pre-release the book at GenCon has had to be dropped.
#43

cam_banks

Aug 04, 2004 8:35:53
Originally posted by cnposner
I take it that, since you have not yet obtained approval, the earlier plan to pre-release the book at GenCon has had to be dropped.

Everything that is released requires approval, including previews and web enhancements. That's what Jamie's talking about - when he gets those prepared and then approved, they can be posted.

Cheers,
Cam
#44

zombiegleemax

Aug 04, 2004 8:39:19
Originally posted by Cam Banks
Everything that is released requires approval, including previews and web enhancements. That's what Jamie's talking about - when he gets those prepared and then approved, they can be posted.

Cheers,
Cam

Are you implying that the main product has already been approved, and has gone to press?
#45

zombiegleemax

Aug 04, 2004 8:40:23
Originally posted by cnposner
I take it that, since you have not yet obtained approval, the earlier plan to pre-release the book at GenCon has had to be dropped.

You are always quick to make assumptions (often dripping with cynicism) about what we are doing. The web previews require a separate approval process than the book itself.

Jamie Chambers
Sovereign Press, Inc.
#46

zombiegleemax

Aug 04, 2004 8:42:18
Originally posted by cnposner
Are you implying that the main product has already been approved, and has gone to press?

There is nothing implied one way or another. When we have something specific to announce about a release or delay, we will do so.

Jamie Chambers
Sovereign Press, Inc.
#47

zombiegleemax

Aug 04, 2004 8:43:10
Originally posted by jechambers
You are always quick to make assumptions (often dripping with cynicism) about what we are doing. The web previews require a separate approval process than the book itself.

Jamie Chambers
Sovereign Press, Inc.

Are you implying that the main product has already been approved, and has gone to press?
#48

cam_banks

Aug 04, 2004 8:57:46
Originally posted by cnposner
Are you implying that the main product has already been approved, and has gone to press?

Asked and answered.

Cheers,
Cam
#49

Dragonhelm

Aug 04, 2004 9:16:39
I'm very anxious to see peoples' reactions to ToHS and WotL. Both books are quite excellent, and I have to say that I think WotL will be THE best DL book to date.

The amount of detail is staggering. The work and love that has gone into this book is overwhelming.

As good as I thought Sovereign Press' books were "getting out of the gate" with DL, they're getting better and better. The Bestiary, for example, has been nominated for three Ennies. I'm sure the guys at SP have learned some lessons along the way, and searched for ways to make a better product.

To date, this is the best handling of Dragonlance gaming ever.

Long Live the Lance!
#50

zombiegleemax

Aug 04, 2004 9:21:39
Originally posted by Dragonhelm
I think WotL will be THE best DL book to date.

See now you´ve got our hopes up! It better be REAL good! If it´s not it´s on your head D-helm! Heh as if my expectations could get any higher anyway ;). I´m really looking forward to this book!

Ravenmantle
#51

green_cloaked_sorcerer

Aug 04, 2004 10:41:54
Can we get word on how much each book is going to cost? I wanna work on my budget for Gen Con and as I plan on buying atleast one of these books I just was wondering what I should have planned I know I should have like a million dollars to spend but sadly I am a poor poor man. So could we get the prices atleast?


GCS
#52

zombiegleemax

Aug 04, 2004 11:07:01
Originally posted by Green_Cloaked_Sorcerer
Can we get word on how much each book is going to cost? I wanna work on my budget for Gen Con and as I plan on buying atleast one of these books I just was wondering what I should have planned I know I should have like a million dollars to spend but sadly I am a poor poor man. So could we get the prices atleast?


GCS

Towers of High Sorcery, a 160-page full-color hardcover, retails at $34.99.War of the Lance, a 320-page full-color hardcover, retails at $44.99. Enjoy!

Jamie Chambers
Sovereign Press, Inc.
#53

green_cloaked_sorcerer

Aug 04, 2004 11:17:39
Ouch 44.99 but for 320pages of the greatest epic ever written, and and for you guys to sign it hellz yes i'll pay it. Thanks Jamie this is why your the man.

GCS