Post/Author/DateTime	Post
#1 zombiegleemax Jun 23, 2004 7:55:06	I've read the topic about the favourite darklord and now i'm curious to know what is the worse darklord for this community. In my personal rank: 1° Malus Sceleris (useless) 2° Alfred Timothy (same reason) 3° Thakok-An (i hate half-elves)
#2 mindshred Jun 24, 2004 8:12:04	Worst as in, combat ability? Or worst as in, barely ever fleshed out? I think Marcus would be an alright darklord if he had had a module dealing with his plans and what not...otherwise, yeah, he's the first level garbage king! WHOO-HOO!
#3 zombiegleemax Jun 24, 2004 9:07:16	Worst in all: history not particular originally and boring, weak in melee combat, ugly realm. In conclusion a loser.
#4 zombiegleemax Jun 24, 2004 11:31:54	Originally posted by Meredoth Worst in all: history not particular originally and boring, weak in melee combat, ugly realm. In conclusion a loser. That's pretty heavy!
#5 zombiegleemax Jun 24, 2004 19:04:12	Personally, I think in terms of a domain that is utterly lacking in any potential for adventures beyond "leave or die" you have to go with Ebonbane's realm (whatever it was called). I have heard of people tweaking Nosos into something very interesting indeed (I keep wanting to tie it into the world of the Thief games myself, though I'm not sure quite how) and for all we know if/when they finally get to it in a Gazetteer it could be made far more interesting. Look how many people have said "oh, I didn't think much of Hazlan/Kartakass/whatever until the Gazetteers..."
#6 The_Jester Jun 24, 2004 23:39:56	I'Cath. Hands down. No questions asked.
#7 zombiegleemax Jun 25, 2004 3:23:47	Intresting argument Brandi, in fact before the purchase of ravenloft gazetteer 3 i've think that Dominic D'honaire was a boring character, now that i've read carefully his background and his realm i consider him a cool png... maybe i can change my idea also for Malken/Tristen Hiregaard (i don't like it so much) if i read the details of Nova Vaasa in the fifth gazetteer...
#8 zombiegleemax Jun 25, 2004 14:36:08	In my opinion, the worst darklord is Hazlik. I'm not even sure why he's a darklord at all. I mean, he *is* arrogant, ambitious, and cruel, but no more so than any other Thayan wizard. His defining characteristic seems to be his obsession with getting revenge on the wizards who humilated him, but the greatest part of that obsession stems from the fact that they're beyond his reach. The curse he received upon becoming the darklord is the only thing about him that makes him worth cursing. That just seems cyclical and pointless to me.
#9 zombiegleemax Jun 25, 2004 16:16:56	Meaning no offence to the starter of this thread, but my least favorite Darklord is Meredoth. I find I'Cath and Shadowborn Manor limiting but at least the Darklords there have their deepest desires frustrated by their circumstances. Can someone please explain to me what Meredoth's curse is and why he's of interest? Not particulary original: check. History a bit wonky: check. Granted as 20th level Necromancer he ranks with Strahd and Azalin as the toughest badguys in the Core. But he doesn't do anything except make likelike zombies to work the fields of his Islands. What's his great ambition? What his great frustration? Here's hoping he can be "saved" by the Gazeteers. -Eric Gorman
#10 zombiegleemax Jun 25, 2004 17:16:56	In fact the history of Meredoth in not so cool, i hope in a new gazetteer (maybe the sixth) where his purpose and is current sketch can be more interesting...
#11 zombiegleemax Jun 26, 2004 13:09:25	Hazlik is a cool dl because¸he his gay and he come from a realm full of homophobia and he has been humiliated by being tattoed with feminine symbol.
#12 Mortepierre Jun 26, 2004 14:11:30	Bluebeard of Blaustein. Wooo! I have charmed another woman and then killed her because I have a problem with long-term relationship. What a dreaded darklord I am
#13 zombiegleemax Jun 26, 2004 23:17:03	I appreciate what makes Hazlik an interesting character, but to me, victimization does not a darklord make. Gabrielle Aderre is similarly pathetic. Both Hazlik and Gabrielle have intense and intriguing stories, but that doesn't make them good darklords. The best darklords have some element that generates pathos, but if it's the only significant element to the characters, then they come off as objects of pity at best, and actively sympathetic at worst. An effective darklord could be pitied for the poor choices he's made, but if you pity him for the terrible things that have happened to them, then he just doesn't work for me on that level.
#14 gonzoron Jun 28, 2004 10:29:13	Gabrielle blackmailed her own wounded mother into revealing information under threat of werewolf attack, and then after she got the info, WALKED AWAY, letting the werewolf devour her. That says darklord to me. :D
#15 zombiegleemax Jun 28, 2004 13:15:21	Lord Soth of Dargaard Keep.
#16 zombiegleemax Jun 28, 2004 13:27:18	These threads alwayz make me laugh. In my own reality (granted, it is a bit twisted) I don't think ANY of the Darklords are lame. If you can't take whatever's given to you and twist it into something you like... then something's missing. These threads make me laugh, cuz don't ya'll remember the days of Hazlik and Ivan Dilisnya being labeled the worst darklords? Now look at them! In conclusion, HVF nailed it on the head when he said... Originally posted by HvF Here's hoping he can be "saved" by the Gazeteers. This time next year, Valachan and Blaustein will be the chosen domains and Malken will be king of the Darklords! peace, MSD
#17 Darrius_Adler Jun 29, 2004 12:27:49	Originally posted by Meredoth Intresting argument Brandi, in fact before the purchase of ravenloft gazetteer 3 i've think that Dominic D'honaire was a boring character, now that i've read carefully his background and his realm i consider him a cool png... maybe i can change my idea also for Malken/Tristen Hiregaard (i don't like it so much) if i read the details of Nova Vaasa in the fifth gazetteer... The version of Malken/Tristen from the novel Enemy Within, is much more interesting than the version in the RPG books.
#18 zombiegleemax Jun 29, 2004 13:14:54	Originally posted by Darrius Adler The version of Malken/Tristen from the novel Enemy Within, is much more interesting than the version in the RPG books. Co-sign.
#19 mindshred Jun 30, 2004 3:31:58	Let's see who else needs "saving"... 1) God Brain of Bluetspur: The only background isn't techically "official", and the only module dealing with the darklord is, well....not too great >.< All in all, nothing too great here.... 2) King Croc: Just needs more....something. Hard to base an adventure around him getting eaten by flies, you know? 3) Gwideon: Okay, big evil guy locked away...don't see what makes him so special to warrent DL status All I can think of for now...yeah, the gazettes are doing a great thing
#20 zombiegleemax Jun 30, 2004 6:11:56	King Croc? Who is him?
#21 zombiegleemax Jun 30, 2004 8:18:28	The Darklord of one of the Steaming Lands domains (I forget the name). It's essentially a talking croc.
#22 zombiegleemax Jun 30, 2004 12:27:04	Lord Soth, by the way who took over for him after he returned to Krynn?
#23 zombiegleemax Jun 30, 2004 13:18:01	Originally posted by Amaron Blackthorn Lord Soth, by the way who took over for him after he returned to Krynn? Some tight Dwarf named Azriel or something stupid like that. ~~~
#24 zombiegleemax Jun 30, 2004 13:22:11	:D Actually, we had been led to believe it was the were-badger Azreal who ascended the throne in the wake of the Cursed Knight's banishment. Truth is, the bastard-daughter of Magda the Wanderer became the new Darklord after the events of the Screaming Shadows (if I'm not mistaken). Her name is Inza Kulchevich (sp?) peace, MSD
#25 zombiegleemax Jun 30, 2004 13:25:05	LoL @ Were-Badger. I am glad they realized how stupid a badger Dwarf would have been as a darklord. ~~~
#26 zombiegleemax Jun 30, 2004 20:42:43	Actually, badgers *are* pretty mean SOBs and one of the few large burrowing mammal predators, so funny as it looks it's not really that bad a choice for a dwarven weretype.
#27 zombiegleemax Jun 30, 2004 23:22:57	Originally posted by Darrius Adler The version of Malken/Tristen from the novel Enemy Within, is much more interesting than the version in the RPG books. Bless you, Brother, Bless You!!
#28 zombiegleemax Jul 01, 2004 7:14:02	Originally posted by Brandi Actually, badgers *are* pretty mean SOBs and one of the few large burrowing mammal predators, so funny as it looks it's not really that bad a choice for a dwarven weretype. Look I like Ravenloft just as much as the navigator of the mists MSD, heck I cut my DMing teeth on the Ravenloft 2E boxed set, but a were-badger as a darklord is horribly stupid. The Wraith is MUCH better. ~~~
#29 zombiegleemax Jul 01, 2004 8:30:42	werebadgers are cool, And yes badgers are really agressive I live in the country, so I see a lot of animals. I once saw a badger and he was growling(dont know if its growling in english or whatever). Badgers are more agressive than fox and dogs.
#30 zombiegleemax Jul 01, 2004 8:44:28	The were-badger as a darklord thing is dumb. [Edit] ~~~
#31 zombiegleemax Jul 01, 2004 11:20:52	Originally posted by LordofIllusions Look I like Ravenloft just as much as the navigator of the mists MSD, heck I cut my DMing teeth on the Ravenloft 2E boxed set, but a were-badger as a darklord is horribly stupid. The Wraith is MUCH better. I won't deny that Inza is much more interesting and unpleasant than Azrael; I was just offering a counterpoint to the idea a lot folks around here have that a werebadger is somehow inherently ludicrous/unfrightening. Actually, if giant shrews are in the D&D world, and somehow retain the high-gear metabolisms of their small real-life counterparts, that would make a truly horrific burrowing lycanthrope phenotype, even if the name wereshrew sounds even more goofy...
#32 zombiegleemax Jul 01, 2004 11:56:03	Originally posted by Amaron Blackthorn Lord Soth, by the way who took over for him after he returned to Krynn? Any ideas> Anyone>? Is this thing on?
#33 zombiegleemax Jul 01, 2004 16:20:50	Originally posted by Amaron Blackthorn Any ideas> Anyone>? Is this thing on? MadStepDad mentioned the new Sithican darklord back about midway through the first page of this thread.
#34 zombiegleemax Jul 02, 2004 4:38:12	I've never seen a Badger in the wild but did see a semi-tame one once that a park official had brought up (for god knows what reason). It looked mean. Though built a bit like a furry manhole cover I remember it had 3 or 4 inch claws and thinking glad its not my "pet". I don't know. I hear they sometimes chase bears out of caves. -Eric Gorman
#35 zombiegleemax Jul 02, 2004 4:42:10	Meant to add that I've though Azreal was something of an interesting NPC if not quite five star material. He seems to have a curse in that he'll never make it to the big leagues as DL but IMO he's useful to a DM. Unlike Sherrif Potatohead he fits in with the realm, the former ruler and has uses. As a hammer and not a scapel you can't do subtle work, but sometimes you want a hammer. -E