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#1
zombiegleemax
Jun 24, 2004 10:24:34 Directly from Sword & Sorcery release preview for October, here ya go:

Ravenloft: Masque of the Red Death - $34.99

It seems we'll finally lay our hands on this rare jewel (hope it won't be fools' gold) ;)

Anyone has more info on this? maybe the Developers (Nicky & Jackie) can give us some brief glimpse of what's to come? (if their ghosts still linger here, that is...)
#2
Darrius_Adler
Jun 24, 2004 11:17:16 I dunno if I will pick this one up. I have all the 2e stuff and have never used it. It never seemed to interest my players at all. I know there has to be quite a few people who do want to play it since there is a Living MotRD game. Was always kind of dissapointing that there is no Living Ravenloft game.
#3
zombiegleemax
Jun 25, 2004 16:03:36 I will own a copy the day it hits the shelves. My understanding is that both Claire Hoffman, the woman who has done an *increadible* job running the living death camapaign and Rucht Liliavet (sp?) have contributed to large sections of the book.

Based on the contributions of those two I have high hopes for the book.

-Eric Gorman
#4
rucht_lilavivat
Jul 04, 2004 0:56:19 Thanks for the compliments, HvF. Make sure to mention them to Claire.

I can't tell you much, but I can tell you that I wrote up the monster section of the book and the villains section of the book. Claire worked on the character creation section of the book. I collaborated with her, since I was using her system to create all of the villains.

I'm just as excited as anyone else to see how it comes out!
#5
Matthew_L._Martin
Jul 04, 2004 21:46:58
Originally posted by Rucht_Lilavivat
I can't tell you much, but I can tell you that I wrote up the monster section of the book and the villains section of the book. Claire worked on the character creation section of the book. I collaborated with her, since I was using her system to create all of the villains.

How much resemblance do the character creation rules bear to the Living Death rules she wrote on the same subject?

Matthew L. Martin
#6
zombiegleemax
Jul 05, 2004 20:42:14 Can you tell us about rules? It will mot use d20 Modern?
#7
rucht_lilavivat
Jul 06, 2004 0:34:58 I can tell you that it will not use the d20 Modern rules. First of all, Jackie and Nicky said that Masque of the Red Death isn't really set in "modern" times. Secondly, creating a game that uses the d20 Modern rules opens up a whole new set of licensing issues for us. Third, there were other considerations we had when creating the system, including the fan base. (i.e. Most Ravenloft fans already have a set of D&D books. If the system used the d20 Modern rules, we'd require all those fans to buy the Masque of the Red Death book and the d20 Modern rules.) As it is, if you already have a set of D&D books and your Ravenloft campaign guide, you should be good to go for Masque d20.
#8
zombiegleemax
Jul 07, 2004 8:18:14 THIS should fit in nicely with my Helloween campaign.

~~~
#9
zombiegleemax
Jul 07, 2004 8:25:23 No doubt no question!

I got all the old 2E Masque stuff, and even if I never use it it's GREAT to have in the collection.

Eagerly awaiting the 3E joint!

So it WON'T be d20 Modern? I thought for sure it would've been, considering that's one of your favorite WoTC haunts, right Mr. Lilavivat? So it's gonna be straight D&D 3.5? Sounds cool.

You got Dread Possibilities and stuff included, right? I'm sure it won't come with a module like the old 2E boxed set but it should have plenty of hooks.

It's a Ravenloft renaissance! On with the show!

peace,

MSD
#10
rucht_lilavivat
Jul 08, 2004 0:11:47 I am indeed on the d20 Modern boards quite often. I love the d20 Modern system. There are some holes in it, but we use it in my own game here in Tennessee. I've heard some talk of using that system for "Modern 20th Century" Ravenloft, and I think that d20 Modern would be a great resource for anyone wishing to do that kind of campaign, particularly if you look at the d20 Menance Manual, which is one of the best purchases I've ever made in gaming.

So why no d20 Modern Ravenloft? Well, I answered that in my previous post.
#11
zombiegleemax
Jul 08, 2004 7:13:22 IF Sword and Sorcery were to make the Ravenloft Masque of the Red Death d20 set under the d20 Modern ruleset I for one would NOT be buying it. Whether SOME posters wish to accept it or not the Ravenloft campaign setting IS an extension of the DnD core rule books, therefore DnD gave birth to Ravenloft not vice versa.

I have been seeing a handful of posters taking CLOSET SHOTS at DnD. *Sigh* Doesn't it get old ? REMEMBER Ravenloft is only ONE of the campaign settings out of the many and to tell the truth if you make a mistake as silly as writing RL under the d20 modern rules(A game whose sales are lower than the STAR WARS rpg. The d20 modern support magazine Polyhedron JUST got dropped because they found out that the magazine STOPPED selling as well when they starting inlcuding d20 modern and SWRPG mini-games. That ALSO should tell you something. ) you stand to LOSE alot of money, ESPECIALLY with Eberron on the scene as a new DnD campaign setting now. THAT only hammered d20 Modern down EVEN lower than it ALREADY WAS on the RPG scale.

Stats(No NEED to even post SALES stats. They had to box d20 Modern stuff WITH DnD products to try to get people to buy it. LoL!):

Total Post on the d20 Modern boards: 35242(This morning when I checked.).

Total Posts on JUST the DnD PHB boards ALONE: Well over 230,000(This morning when I checked).

For you to even THINK about making it under d20 Modern rules is nothing short of lunacy. I am glad you guys came to your senses. ;)

~~~
#12
zombiegleemax
Jul 12, 2004 10:17:40 it doesn't mean they couldn't use some elements from D20 modern for use under D&D rules.... still i'm eagerly waiting to see the book....
#13
zombiegleemax
Jul 12, 2004 10:33:23
Originally posted by Lost_and_Damned
it doesn't mean they couldn't use some elements from D20 modern for use under D&D rules.... still i'm eagerly waiting to see the book....

Using elements of something and claiming that what is clearly a Dungeons and Dragons campaign setting should have been printed under something that has NOTHING to do with Dungeons and Dragons are two different things.

Once again, d20 Modern does not, nor can it EVER hope to, hold the fan base weight NOR the financial weight(DnD makes millions.) that the RPG titan Dungeons and Dragons does. Not to mention that it is quite clear that the Ravenloft campaign setting(Which is what the original Masque of the Red Death[and hence THIS one as well being that it is a v.3.5 re-make] was an extension of.) IS a component of Dungeons and Dragons no matter how insignificant IT as a setting has become nowadays hence d20 modern is NOT affiliated with the setting in ANY way.

~~~
#14
zombiegleemax
Jul 12, 2004 13:38:16
[i]Once again, d20 Modern does not, nor can it EVER hope to, hold the fan base weight NOR the financial weight(DnD makes millions.) that the RPG titan Dungeons and Dragons does. Not to mention that it is quite clear that the Ravenloft campaign setting(Which is what the original Masque of the Red Death[and hence THIS one as well being that it is a v.3.5 re-make] was an extension of.) IS a component of Dungeons and Dragons no matter how insignificant IT as a setting has become nowadays hence d20 modern is NOT affiliated with the setting in ANY way.

~~~ [/b]

Well, since White Wolf announced on more than one occasion that neither Ravenloft nor Masque of the Red Death would use d20 Modern, you're kind of shouting at the wall, aren't you?
#15
zombiegleemax
Jul 13, 2004 7:04:07
Originally posted by d20 Modern Elvis
Well, since White Wolf announced on more than one occasion that neither Ravenloft nor Masque of the Red Death would use d20 Modern, you're kind of shouting at the wall, aren't you?

ACTUALLY I am posting an opinion(Which has been backed up by FACTUAL evidence.) on a message board and thus showing how utterly ridiculous it was to even CONSIDER the idea(Of writing Ravenloft under the d20 Modern[A third rate rpg] ruleset.) in the first place. Its called CONVERSATION which is the purpose of having a MESSAGE board. ;)

~~~
#16
zombiegleemax
Jul 13, 2004 13:14:08 Dude, did d20 Modern **** your dog or something?
#17
zombiegleemax
Jul 13, 2004 17:31:01 Hahaha! Good one Brandi! Seems like he has some pathological hatred of d20...
#18
zombiegleemax
Jul 14, 2004 8:03:47 My concern about the October release of MotRD is that it will be at the same time as the Libris Mortis: The Book of the Undead
http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=products/dndacc/179240000
I'll have to start budgeting my gaming dollars to be able to buy both products in October.
#19
zombiegleemax
Jul 14, 2004 19:15:15 Libris is suppoed to be part of their "adult" line isn't it? Neither the BoVD or BoED overly impressed me. BoVD has some good crunchy bit and I like the general idea of "vile" damage but the flavor of those books .

I wouldn't be the first in line to purchase it without hearing more feedback. Either way I suspect it won't match up well against the VRgtWalking Dead.

Now Masque...

-Eric Gorman
#20
zombiegleemax
Jul 15, 2004 8:25:12
Originally posted by HvF
Libris is supposed to be part of their "adult" line isn't it? Neither the BoVD or BoED overly impressed me.

I thought it was to be the next volume in the line started with the new Draconomicon, and more in line with that than the Evil /Good books.
I have all of the original MotRD material, and have never used it. I'm sure that I will pick up the new material (eventually), it just doesn't excite me as much as the upcoming Legacies book does.
#21
zombiegleemax
Jul 15, 2004 10:28:16
Originally posted by Brandi
Dude, did d20 Modern **** your dog or something?

Dude(<---LoL!),

That was the CORNIEST joke I have ever read and believe me I have read(and heard) some CORNY jokes.

~~~
#22
zombiegleemax
Jul 16, 2004 11:39:49 I can't wait to see what Prestige Classes they dream up.

Highly intrigued by the Heroes and Villians sections, too. All true-to-life historical figures, converted into D&D stats right?

I LOVED the dread possibilities in the first run of Masque (I know that's the incorrect term, I can't think of the real one - you know, the weird little gothic gray sidebars they had for people, locales and instances. Adding a hint of macabre to everyday history).

peace,

MSD
#23
zombiegleemax
Jul 16, 2004 14:48:46 Forbidden Lore was the term, MSD. Don't be so sure about it being all true-history personas; Moriarty was listed in 2E as a Rakshasa (or however you wanna spell it).
#24
zombiegleemax
Jul 16, 2004 15:04:49 Ahh, yes. That's the term. Thank Reg!

I remember specifically reading one about Mark Twain and being like "wow... this Game IS cool".

Can't wait to see what they got cooked up for '04.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
#1 zombiegleemax Jun 24, 2004 10:24:34	Directly from Sword & Sorcery release preview for October, here ya go: Ravenloft: Masque of the Red Death - $34.99 It seems we'll finally lay our hands on this rare jewel (hope it won't be fools' gold) ;) Anyone has more info on this? maybe the Developers (Nicky & Jackie) can give us some brief glimpse of what's to come? (if their ghosts still linger here, that is...)
#2 Darrius_Adler Jun 24, 2004 11:17:16	I dunno if I will pick this one up. I have all the 2e stuff and have never used it. It never seemed to interest my players at all. I know there has to be quite a few people who do want to play it since there is a Living MotRD game. Was always kind of dissapointing that there is no Living Ravenloft game.
#3 zombiegleemax Jun 25, 2004 16:03:36	I will own a copy the day it hits the shelves. My understanding is that both Claire Hoffman, the woman who has done an increadible job running the living death camapaign and Rucht Liliavet (sp?) have contributed to large sections of the book. Based on the contributions of those two I have high hopes for the book. -Eric Gorman
#4 rucht_lilavivat Jul 04, 2004 0:56:19	Thanks for the compliments, HvF. Make sure to mention them to Claire. I can't tell you much, but I can tell you that I wrote up the monster section of the book and the villains section of the book. Claire worked on the character creation section of the book. I collaborated with her, since I was using her system to create all of the villains. I'm just as excited as anyone else to see how it comes out!
#5 Matthew_L._Martin Jul 04, 2004 21:46:58	Originally posted by Rucht_Lilavivat I can't tell you much, but I can tell you that I wrote up the monster section of the book and the villains section of the book. Claire worked on the character creation section of the book. I collaborated with her, since I was using her system to create all of the villains. How much resemblance do the character creation rules bear to the Living Death rules she wrote on the same subject? Matthew L. Martin
#6 zombiegleemax Jul 05, 2004 20:42:14	Can you tell us about rules? It will mot use d20 Modern?
#7 rucht_lilavivat Jul 06, 2004 0:34:58	I can tell you that it will not use the d20 Modern rules. First of all, Jackie and Nicky said that Masque of the Red Death isn't really set in "modern" times. Secondly, creating a game that uses the d20 Modern rules opens up a whole new set of licensing issues for us. Third, there were other considerations we had when creating the system, including the fan base. (i.e. Most Ravenloft fans already have a set of D&D books. If the system used the d20 Modern rules, we'd require all those fans to buy the Masque of the Red Death book and the d20 Modern rules.) As it is, if you already have a set of D&D books and your Ravenloft campaign guide, you should be good to go for Masque d20.
#8 zombiegleemax Jul 07, 2004 8:18:14	THIS should fit in nicely with my Helloween campaign. ~~~
#9 zombiegleemax Jul 07, 2004 8:25:23	No doubt no question! I got all the old 2E Masque stuff, and even if I never use it it's GREAT to have in the collection. Eagerly awaiting the 3E joint! So it WON'T be d20 Modern? I thought for sure it would've been, considering that's one of your favorite WoTC haunts, right Mr. Lilavivat? So it's gonna be straight D&D 3.5? Sounds cool. You got Dread Possibilities and stuff included, right? I'm sure it won't come with a module like the old 2E boxed set but it should have plenty of hooks. It's a Ravenloft renaissance! On with the show! peace, MSD
#10 rucht_lilavivat Jul 08, 2004 0:11:47	I am indeed on the d20 Modern boards quite often. I love the d20 Modern system. There are some holes in it, but we use it in my own game here in Tennessee. I've heard some talk of using that system for "Modern 20th Century" Ravenloft, and I think that d20 Modern would be a great resource for anyone wishing to do that kind of campaign, particularly if you look at the d20 Menance Manual, which is one of the best purchases I've ever made in gaming. So why no d20 Modern Ravenloft? Well, I answered that in my previous post.
#11 zombiegleemax Jul 08, 2004 7:13:22	IF Sword and Sorcery were to make the Ravenloft Masque of the Red Death d20 set under the d20 Modern ruleset I for one would NOT be buying it. Whether SOME posters wish to accept it or not the Ravenloft campaign setting IS an extension of the DnD core rule books, therefore DnD gave birth to Ravenloft not vice versa. I have been seeing a handful of posters taking CLOSET SHOTS at DnD. Sigh Doesn't it get old ? REMEMBER Ravenloft is only ONE of the campaign settings out of the many and to tell the truth if you make a mistake as silly as writing RL under the d20 modern rules(A game whose sales are lower than the STAR WARS rpg. The d20 modern support magazine Polyhedron JUST got dropped because they found out that the magazine STOPPED selling as well when they starting inlcuding d20 modern and SWRPG mini-games. That ALSO should tell you something. ) you stand to LOSE alot of money, ESPECIALLY with Eberron on the scene as a new DnD campaign setting now. THAT only hammered d20 Modern down EVEN lower than it ALREADY WAS on the RPG scale. Stats(No NEED to even post SALES stats. They had to box d20 Modern stuff WITH DnD products to try to get people to buy it. LoL!): Total Post on the d20 Modern boards: 35242(This morning when I checked.). Total Posts on JUST the DnD PHB boards ALONE: Well over 230,000(This morning when I checked). For you to even THINK about making it under d20 Modern rules is nothing short of lunacy. I am glad you guys came to your senses. ;) ~~~
#12 zombiegleemax Jul 12, 2004 10:17:40	it doesn't mean they couldn't use some elements from D20 modern for use under D&D rules.... still i'm eagerly waiting to see the book....
#13 zombiegleemax Jul 12, 2004 10:33:23	Originally posted by Lost_and_Damned it doesn't mean they couldn't use some elements from D20 modern for use under D&D rules.... still i'm eagerly waiting to see the book.... Using elements of something and claiming that what is clearly a Dungeons and Dragons campaign setting should have been printed under something that has NOTHING to do with Dungeons and Dragons are two different things. Once again, d20 Modern does not, nor can it EVER hope to, hold the fan base weight NOR the financial weight(DnD makes millions.) that the RPG titan Dungeons and Dragons does. Not to mention that it is quite clear that the Ravenloft campaign setting(Which is what the original Masque of the Red Death[and hence THIS one as well being that it is a v.3.5 re-make] was an extension of.) IS a component of Dungeons and Dragons no matter how insignificant IT as a setting has become nowadays hence d20 modern is NOT affiliated with the setting in ANY way. ~~~
#14 zombiegleemax Jul 12, 2004 13:38:16	[i]Once again, d20 Modern does not, nor can it EVER hope to, hold the fan base weight NOR the financial weight(DnD makes millions.) that the RPG titan Dungeons and Dragons does. Not to mention that it is quite clear that the Ravenloft campaign setting(Which is what the original Masque of the Red Death[and hence THIS one as well being that it is a v.3.5 re-make] was an extension of.) IS a component of Dungeons and Dragons no matter how insignificant IT as a setting has become nowadays hence d20 modern is NOT affiliated with the setting in ANY way. ~~~ [/b] Well, since White Wolf announced on more than one occasion that neither Ravenloft nor Masque of the Red Death would use d20 Modern, you're kind of shouting at the wall, aren't you?
#15 zombiegleemax Jul 13, 2004 7:04:07	Originally posted by d20 Modern Elvis Well, since White Wolf announced on more than one occasion that neither Ravenloft nor Masque of the Red Death would use d20 Modern, you're kind of shouting at the wall, aren't you? ACTUALLY I am posting an opinion(Which has been backed up by FACTUAL evidence.) on a message board and thus showing how utterly ridiculous it was to even CONSIDER the idea(Of writing Ravenloft under the d20 Modern[A third rate rpg] ruleset.) in the first place. Its called CONVERSATION which is the purpose of having a MESSAGE board. ;) ~~~
#16 zombiegleemax Jul 13, 2004 13:14:08	Dude, did d20 Modern **** your dog or something?
#17 zombiegleemax Jul 13, 2004 17:31:01	Hahaha! Good one Brandi! Seems like he has some pathological hatred of d20...
#18 zombiegleemax Jul 14, 2004 8:03:47	My concern about the October release of MotRD is that it will be at the same time as the Libris Mortis: The Book of the Undead http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=products/dndacc/179240000 I'll have to start budgeting my gaming dollars to be able to buy both products in October.
#19 zombiegleemax Jul 14, 2004 19:15:15	Libris is suppoed to be part of their "adult" line isn't it? Neither the BoVD or BoED overly impressed me. BoVD has some good crunchy bit and I like the general idea of "vile" damage but the flavor of those books . I wouldn't be the first in line to purchase it without hearing more feedback. Either way I suspect it won't match up well against the VRgtWalking Dead. Now Masque... -Eric Gorman
#20 zombiegleemax Jul 15, 2004 8:25:12	Originally posted by HvF Libris is supposed to be part of their "adult" line isn't it? Neither the BoVD or BoED overly impressed me. I thought it was to be the next volume in the line started with the new Draconomicon, and more in line with that than the Evil /Good books. I have all of the original MotRD material, and have never used it. I'm sure that I will pick up the new material (eventually), it just doesn't excite me as much as the upcoming Legacies book does.
#21 zombiegleemax Jul 15, 2004 10:28:16	Originally posted by Brandi Dude, did d20 Modern your dog or something? Dude(<---LoL!), That was the CORNIEST joke I have ever read and believe me I have read(and heard) some CORNY jokes. ~~~
#22 zombiegleemax Jul 16, 2004 11:39:49	I can't wait to see what Prestige Classes they dream up. Highly intrigued by the Heroes and Villians sections, too. All true-to-life historical figures, converted into D&D stats right? I LOVED the dread possibilities in the first run of Masque (I know that's the incorrect term, I can't think of the real one - you know, the weird little gothic gray sidebars they had for people, locales and instances. Adding a hint of macabre to everyday history). peace, MSD
#23 zombiegleemax Jul 16, 2004 14:48:46	Forbidden Lore was the term, MSD. Don't be so sure about it being all true-history personas; Moriarty was listed in 2E as a Rakshasa (or however you wanna spell it).
#24 zombiegleemax Jul 16, 2004 15:04:49	Ahh, yes. That's the term. Thank Reg! I remember specifically reading one about Mark Twain and being like "wow... this Game IS cool". Can't wait to see what they got cooked up for '04.