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#1 zombiegleemax Jun 28, 2004 13:35:03	Chronepsis, dragon god of fate, ever slumbering deity of dragon's who has in his possession each and every dragon and dragon kin's life in an hourglasses, each marked for an individual dragon. Would he have worshippers amongst any of the dragons? Who and why would anyone travel to his desolate mouseleum in the Outlands? Chronepsis is an actual deity at least in 2e, and I'd like some feedback as to how to deal with him and how one should quantify his abilities or portfolio. Why do I want some feedback on him? In a campaign I'm running, some moron critical failed on a spell and ended up, instead of killing a bunch of dragons, changed a good portion of the people into dragontouched, which I need to iron out the stats for, and I'm thinking a bunch of hourglasses popping up might make ole Chrony blink.
#2 Shemeska_the_Marauder Jun 28, 2004 15:37:02	He's my single favorite draconic deity. Somewhere I've got a writeup for Chronepsis's domain on the Outlands sitting and waiting for release on Planewalker. I know that there's also another writer (and Wiz-O) who's writing something with Chronepsis in it. She and I banged out some random ideas for it the other day and I look forward to seeing what she comes up with, shall be cool I expect. And Chronepsis is still a deity in 3e, though he's only been sourced in the Draconomicon (he was cut out of FR summarily because of the arbitrary 'god culling' because some felt they had too many). I see Chronepsis as being calm, typically unsurprised by any action (because he's seen it before it happens), but at times distant and reserved since he understandably takes the long view of things. One of his proxies as I recall was granted too much of his patron's knowledge and went mad, having seen the future course of the multiverse and snapped in horror at what he'd seen. (and he's currently locked away in Pandemonium, though I figure it's all planned out in the long run by Chronepsis). I had my PCs enter Chronepsis's domain in order to find a portal to a location on the Astral they needed to get to. Described the ruined city therein, the innumerable hourglasses that represented draconic souls/lives and even had little details about one of the hourglasses running out of its last grains of sand and cracking. But at that same moment of death of that dragon represented by that hourglass I had the air sparkle next to it and a smaller hourglass appear with a full compliment of sand; the sparking of a new dragon's birth out of the death of an older one. Just don't mess with the hourglasses, it's a quick way to waking the deity who honestly dotes on the things like part kindly grandfather, part shepherd and part scholar.
#3 zombiegleemax Jun 28, 2004 16:29:45	THANK YOU OH WIZENED ARCANOLOTH! Seriously, thanks! I don't have the Dracinomicon so I felt like I needed to ask about Chropsesis here.
#4 gray_richardson Jun 28, 2004 20:12:00	Chronepsis definitely still exists in Forgotten Realms continuity. Although he is worshipped under the name of Null. I am a little confused about him myself but Cult of the Dragon has all the details about Null being a two-aspected deity combining both Falazure the Reaver & Chronepsis, Guardian of the Lost. Null is still an official 3E FR deity according to F&P and PGtF.
#5 gray_richardson Jun 28, 2004 20:17:55	By the way, the 2E Cult of the Dragon supplement is available for free download on the Wizards download section of the main website. All the stuff about draconic deities is in an appendix in the back. Many of them were culled, yes, but Null, Hlal, Tiamat & Task are still official. (Of course, its your campaign, use whichever ones you like, personally I still keep all the draconic pantheon, and most of the old Monstrous deities in my campaign.) Although it's a 2E supplement, The Cult of the Dragon info should still be good for flavor and backstory for your campaign.
#6 zombiegleemax Jun 28, 2004 21:20:25	I'll consider the Cult of the Dragon, once I look them over. Right now Bahamut, Chronepsis, and Tiamat are definites.
#7 ripvanwormer Jun 28, 2004 23:45:38	Originally posted by Fringe Fartale I'll consider the Cult of the Dragon, once I look them over. Right now Bahamut, Chronepsis, and Tiamat are definites. Chronepsis has been combined with Falazure, as noted above, to form the dual-aspected god Null. In this aspect, Chronepsis is the neutral Shepherd of Souls, who escorts all draconic spirits to their proper place in the Outer Planes. Chronepsis has also been combined with Io to form a god representing creation and destruction, the multiverse in all its facets. In this scheme, Chronepsis represents entropy. If Bahamut and Tiamat are parallels for Paladine and Takhisis of Krynn, then Chronepsis is possibly Gilean, the Lorekeeper, historian of the gods.
#8 zombiegleemax Jul 01, 2004 13:32:45	I wonder to whom does a worshipper of Null go after death? Do the 2 gods split evenly (e.g. Chrony takes the petitioner of every even number) or do they roll dice for the petitioner..? :D
#9 bob_the_efreet Jul 01, 2004 14:17:20	Originally posted by Seraph of Babel I wonder to whom does a worshipper of Null go after death? Do the 2 gods split evenly (e.g. Chrony takes the petitioner of every even number) or do they roll dice for the petitioner..? :D They each get half :D
#10 sildatorak Jul 01, 2004 14:24:09	I don't think that Chronepsis takes any petioners, actually. to quote Sigil and Beyond it's got no petitioners and only one inhabitant - Chronepsis
#11 Shemeska_the_Marauder Jul 01, 2004 15:22:50	*grin* I always treated the hourglasses as the petitioners. Most mortals just don't recognize them for what they are. Gives an additional reason why grumpy... err Chronepsis is overprotective of 'em. ;)
#12 gray_richardson Jul 01, 2004 18:14:42	In the Faeurunian Cosmology Null has his own realm on the plane of Dragon Eyrie. I don't know if Chronepsis is worshipped as Null on any other Prime worlds. But if he is or if you are using Faerun as part of the Great Wheel, then my guess would be that Worshipers of Null in his Chronepsis/guardian aspect go to Chronepsis's realm and those that like his Falazure/Reaper aspect go to Falazure. For those who are undecided it might be determined by either whose alignment you are closer to or possibly in the absence of a definite choice Falazure may just "reap" the benefits.
#13 ripvanwormer Jul 01, 2004 20:25:13	The Guardian of the Lost (Chronepsis) brings dragon spirits to the realm of the deity they worshipped or to their plane of alignment, and defends them against any enemies they may have had while they were alive. If a dragon worshipped Chronepsis primarily, I assume they would end up as grains of sand within the hourglasses. Falazure probably consumes any souls that come its way. A syncretic deity might well have its own, composite realm, seperate from those realms of its individual parts.
#14 MephitJames Jul 06, 2004 23:54:30	One of the first questions Fringe Fartale asked on this was why would dragons worship Chronepsis. I should think the answer is pretty obvious: dragons don't want to die and think they can influence Chronepsis's opinion if they show him how dovoted they are to all things draconic. If you want to take a less pessimistic approach (some people need to be coddled) Chronepsis needs to be around, which means he needs to be shown proper respect and concern. A large amount of dragons, in their dragonly wisdom, realize that if no one pays attention to this berk, they're hourglasses are up for grabs to whichever berk gets there first. Imagine the amount of ransom you could get by holding (literally) a hundred dragons' lives in your hands!
#15 zombiegleemax Jul 08, 2004 12:30:07	Ahh, thanks to all for your insights! I was finally able to check this thread after I had obtained the fabled Draconomicon (and after I got my comp fixed). Man that tome has many an insight onto all the draconic deities. I think I know now how to handle ole Chrony and the others in my campaign! And thank you very much Shemeska the Marauder (target arcanaloth for further inquisition), ripvanwormer, Gray Richardson, Sildatorak, Bob the Efreet, Seraph of Babel, and Mephit James (target drow should he spread the dark to primes) for all of your insights! Note: remind me to NEVER use combined deities, it just takes flavor away.
#16 zombiegleemax Jul 20, 2004 4:13:38	Note: remind me to NEVER use combined deities, it just takes flavor away. Personally, I disagree. I mean, from a purely RL standpoint there haver been numerous occaisions when political unions have lead to the combination of two or more local cults into a single body, with a corresponding merger of the gods worshipped (I can think of three right now, all of which are from early dynastic egypt). The way I figure it, this could easily occour on nearly any prime world where relidgion has become entwined with politics, drawing a number of minor dieties into a sudden, unwanted partnership as they are forced to share a single body of worshippers in order to survive. Sounds like a wonderful base for a campeign (Whee! I cant spell!) to me, being one of the few good excuses for a diety to interfere directly in the affairs of mortrals, in this case out of a need to escape a particularly inconvinient, indeed shameful, in which a gosituation. Disclaimer: The author of the above post had not slept in a week before submitting it. He asks that you please not kill him.
#17 sildatorak Jul 20, 2004 11:13:36	Originally posted by Etherial Dreamer Personally, I disagree. I mean, from a purely RL standpoint there haver been numerous occaisions when political unions have lead to the combination of two or more local cults into a single body, with a corresponding merger of the gods worshipped (I can think of three right now, all of which are from early dynastic egypt). *cough* easter bunny *cough* christmas tree *cough* all hallows' eve *cough* Not quite mergers of gods, but definitely mergers of ritual and tradition.
#18 zombiegleemax Jul 21, 2004 20:44:20	And then you can't use the Xammux from the Book of Vile Darkness*... * - while ignoring any and all stat blocks for archfiends, of course...