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#1
fiendish_dire_weasel
Jun 29, 2004 20:54:11 The Skorenoi are "Chaos-altered" and "Chaos-influenced" centaurs.

What does that mean exactly? Is there some kind of physical/mental/spiritual difference between them and normal centaurs?
#2
zombiegleemax
Jun 29, 2004 23:07:17 It means that Chaos did some toying with them...the influence of chaos have changed these centaurs in some physical way (and also mentally). The Bestiary of Krynn uses these examples: "Unnaturally bulging muscles, deformed features or a blur of the animal and human-looking traits found in the creatures". Not only centaurs can be touched by Chaos and thus turn into the evil Skorenoi...the BoK mentions kyrie and the sample skorenoi in the book is a satyr...

If you haven´t already I suggest you read the novel Dezra´s Quest, which first introduced the Skorenoi...
#3
zombiegleemax
Jun 30, 2004 10:20:23 This is not on topic but I have a question, why werent kodragons included in the Bestiary of Krynn or the Astral Dragon either?
#4
cam_banks
Jun 30, 2004 10:27:09
Originally posted by Amaron Blackthorn
This is not on topic but I have a question, why werent kodragons included in the Bestiary of Krynn or the Astral Dragon either?

They've been officially excised from canon. No more kodragons or astral dragons.

Cheers,
Cam
#5
zombiegleemax
Jun 30, 2004 10:28:53 even after they had that whole trilogy of modules about them? was a reason ever given?
#6
cam_banks
Jun 30, 2004 10:37:04
Originally posted by Amaron Blackthorn
even after they had that whole trilogy of modules about them? was a reason ever given?

Yes, even after the trilogy of modules included them. The reasons include issues with the cosmology, as they are tied up with a history of dragonkind that is no longer correct, and because kodragons are very, very silly creatures that not even Andre' could save from the land of fuzzy silliness.

Or something like that. Basically, they don't fit any longer as they were presented. Pretend you never saw them! The kender made them up, or something.

Cheers,
Cam
#7
zombiegleemax
Jun 30, 2004 10:39:52 that just makes my heart heart. I thought that these were great creatures.
#8
shnik
Jun 30, 2004 13:11:52 That's a bit sad. As much as they were tiny furry dragons, I found the way the kodragon npcs in the modules were presented to be quite profound, with feelings, reasons etc.
#9
zombiegleemax
Jun 30, 2004 13:15:04
Originally posted by Cam Banks
Yes, even after the trilogy of modules included them. The reasons include issues with the cosmology, as they are tied up with a history of dragonkind that is no longer correct, and because kodragons are very, very silly creatures that not even Andre' could save from the land of fuzzy silliness.

Or something like that. Basically, they don't fit any longer as they were presented. Pretend you never saw them! The kender made them up, or something.

Cheers,
Cam

:heehee

So they were too stupid(As in the concept) to exist ?

~~~
#10
frostdawn
Jun 30, 2004 15:45:43
Originally posted by Fiendish Dire Weasel
The Skorenoi are "Chaos-altered" and "Chaos-influenced" centaurs.

What does that mean exactly? Is there some kind of physical/mental/spiritual difference between them and normal centaurs?

They were twisted and perverted by a minion of Chaos. The transformation was physical, mental and spiritual.

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An evil chaos spirit took over a tree and became what was known as Grimbough (spelling?). Over time, Grimbough converted a pretty good number of centaurs into Skorenoi, and even a few Satyrs, but IIRC, no other creatures were twisted by Grimbough (I could be mistaken though)

Enough critters were converted that they could continue to propagate as an offshoot race all their own, so their numbers haven't dwindled, and have become a bane to the 'true' centaurs.
#11
fiendish_dire_weasel
Jun 30, 2004 20:28:43 Ok, so there are 3 different types of centaurs (normal, skorenoi and I heard of a 3rd type). How much of a stat difference is there between them, or are the other two (non-base) unplayable as PCs?

There's been some discussion of a centaur PC and trying to get a feel if there are real options in the Beastiary, a book I wouldn't normally buy since I don't DM and can't peak at (my local game shop doesn't get Soverign/Dragonlance books normally).

And shame on you people derailing my perfectly good centaur thread with your vile off-topic kodragon posts :D
#12
zombiegleemax
Jul 01, 2004 3:35:13 Wendle centaurs (the third kind) are a smaller breed of centaurs living in the eastern regions of Ansalon. They are medium size. Statwise they get +4 str, +4 dex, +2 wis, -2 cha. They get +5 natural AC and level adjustment is +1

The skorenoi is a monster template so you´ll probably have to talk your DM about that one...
#13
zombiegleemax
Jul 01, 2004 10:28:47 What about Abanisinian centaurs?
#14
zombiegleemax
Jul 01, 2004 10:33:14 My bet would be that Abanasinian centaurs are the standard ones...it was Abanasinian centaurs who founded Duntollik (former skorenoi even).
#15
zombiegleemax
Jul 01, 2004 10:36:54 OIC. What book does this happen in?
#16
zombiegleemax
Jul 01, 2004 10:41:26 The BoK describes how the former skorenoi were rejected by their brethren and, feeling no kinship to the remaining skorenoi, they set out on their own and founded the new centaur nation...
#17
zombiegleemax
Jul 01, 2004 10:51:19 Was that done in a novel or was it something just added to the Bestiary of Krynn?
#18
brimstone
Jul 01, 2004 10:56:08
Originally posted by Amaron Blackthorn
Was that done in a novel or was it something just added to the Bestiary of Krynn?

Dezra's Quest...a Bridges of Time novel.
#19
zombiegleemax
Jul 01, 2004 11:18:03 was it any good?
#20
brimstone
Jul 01, 2004 11:29:24 It was excellent, in my opinion. Chris Pierson is a genious...although it's kinda hard to suspend disbelief for Caramon being 60ish and doing what he does in that book. But it certainly forshadows things a bit.
#21
zombiegleemax
Jul 01, 2004 11:36:26 Chris Pierson wrote the Kingpriest trilogy didnt he and Spirits of the Wind? He is a great author!!
#22
brimstone
Jul 01, 2004 12:51:37
Originally posted by Amaron Blackthorn
Chris Pierson wrote the Kingpriest trilogy didnt he and Spirits of the Wind? He is a great author!!

That's affirm!
#23
zombiegleemax
Jul 01, 2004 13:19:31 great author. great author
#24
zombiegleemax
Jul 01, 2004 15:51:10 Dezra´s Quest is a very good novel. In my opinion the best fifth age novel yet...
#25
fiendish_dire_weasel
Jul 01, 2004 22:49:58
Originally posted by Ravenmantle
Wendle centaurs (the third kind) are a smaller breed of centaurs living in the eastern regions of Ansalon. They are medium size. Statwise they get +4 str, +4 dex, +2 wis, -2 cha. They get +5 natural AC and level adjustment is +1

The skorenoi is a monster template so you´ll probably have to talk your DM about that one...

Oh nice, thanks so much. I assume with those stats it still has racial HD. A medium sized centaur, interesting.
#26
zombiegleemax
Jul 02, 2004 7:33:42
Originally posted by Fiendish Dire Weasel
I assume with those stats it still has racial HD.

2 levels of monstrous humanoid (2d8 Hit Dice, BAB +2, save +0, +3, +3)

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
#1 fiendish_dire_weasel Jun 29, 2004 20:54:11	The Skorenoi are "Chaos-altered" and "Chaos-influenced" centaurs. What does that mean exactly? Is there some kind of physical/mental/spiritual difference between them and normal centaurs?
#2 zombiegleemax Jun 29, 2004 23:07:17	It means that Chaos did some toying with them...the influence of chaos have changed these centaurs in some physical way (and also mentally). The Bestiary of Krynn uses these examples: "Unnaturally bulging muscles, deformed features or a blur of the animal and human-looking traits found in the creatures". Not only centaurs can be touched by Chaos and thus turn into the evil Skorenoi...the BoK mentions kyrie and the sample skorenoi in the book is a satyr... If you haven´t already I suggest you read the novel Dezra´s Quest, which first introduced the Skorenoi...
#3 zombiegleemax Jun 30, 2004 10:20:23	This is not on topic but I have a question, why werent kodragons included in the Bestiary of Krynn or the Astral Dragon either?
#4 cam_banks Jun 30, 2004 10:27:09	Originally posted by Amaron Blackthorn This is not on topic but I have a question, why werent kodragons included in the Bestiary of Krynn or the Astral Dragon either? They've been officially excised from canon. No more kodragons or astral dragons. Cheers, Cam
#5 zombiegleemax Jun 30, 2004 10:28:53	even after they had that whole trilogy of modules about them? was a reason ever given?
#6 cam_banks Jun 30, 2004 10:37:04	Originally posted by Amaron Blackthorn even after they had that whole trilogy of modules about them? was a reason ever given? Yes, even after the trilogy of modules included them. The reasons include issues with the cosmology, as they are tied up with a history of dragonkind that is no longer correct, and because kodragons are very, very silly creatures that not even Andre' could save from the land of fuzzy silliness. Or something like that. Basically, they don't fit any longer as they were presented. Pretend you never saw them! The kender made them up, or something. Cheers, Cam
#7 zombiegleemax Jun 30, 2004 10:39:52	that just makes my heart heart. I thought that these were great creatures.
#8 shnik Jun 30, 2004 13:11:52	That's a bit sad. As much as they were tiny furry dragons, I found the way the kodragon npcs in the modules were presented to be quite profound, with feelings, reasons etc.
#9 zombiegleemax Jun 30, 2004 13:15:04	Originally posted by Cam Banks Yes, even after the trilogy of modules included them. The reasons include issues with the cosmology, as they are tied up with a history of dragonkind that is no longer correct, and because kodragons are very, very silly creatures that not even Andre' could save from the land of fuzzy silliness. Or something like that. Basically, they don't fit any longer as they were presented. Pretend you never saw them! The kender made them up, or something. Cheers, Cam :heehee So they were too stupid(As in the concept) to exist ? ~~~
#10 frostdawn Jun 30, 2004 15:45:43	Originally posted by Fiendish Dire Weasel The Skorenoi are "Chaos-altered" and "Chaos-influenced" centaurs. What does that mean exactly? Is there some kind of physical/mental/spiritual difference between them and normal centaurs? They were twisted and perverted by a minion of Chaos. The transformation was physical, mental and spiritual. S P O I L E R B E L O W An evil chaos spirit took over a tree and became what was known as Grimbough (spelling?). Over time, Grimbough converted a pretty good number of centaurs into Skorenoi, and even a few Satyrs, but IIRC, no other creatures were twisted by Grimbough (I could be mistaken though) Enough critters were converted that they could continue to propagate as an offshoot race all their own, so their numbers haven't dwindled, and have become a bane to the 'true' centaurs.
#11 fiendish_dire_weasel Jun 30, 2004 20:28:43	Ok, so there are 3 different types of centaurs (normal, skorenoi and I heard of a 3rd type). How much of a stat difference is there between them, or are the other two (non-base) unplayable as PCs? There's been some discussion of a centaur PC and trying to get a feel if there are real options in the Beastiary, a book I wouldn't normally buy since I don't DM and can't peak at (my local game shop doesn't get Soverign/Dragonlance books normally). And shame on you people derailing my perfectly good centaur thread with your vile off-topic kodragon posts :D
#12 zombiegleemax Jul 01, 2004 3:35:13	Wendle centaurs (the third kind) are a smaller breed of centaurs living in the eastern regions of Ansalon. They are medium size. Statwise they get +4 str, +4 dex, +2 wis, -2 cha. They get +5 natural AC and level adjustment is +1 The skorenoi is a monster template so you´ll probably have to talk your DM about that one...
#13 zombiegleemax Jul 01, 2004 10:28:47	What about Abanisinian centaurs?
#14 zombiegleemax Jul 01, 2004 10:33:14	My bet would be that Abanasinian centaurs are the standard ones...it was Abanasinian centaurs who founded Duntollik (former skorenoi even).
#15 zombiegleemax Jul 01, 2004 10:36:54	OIC. What book does this happen in?
#16 zombiegleemax Jul 01, 2004 10:41:26	The BoK describes how the former skorenoi were rejected by their brethren and, feeling no kinship to the remaining skorenoi, they set out on their own and founded the new centaur nation...
#17 zombiegleemax Jul 01, 2004 10:51:19	Was that done in a novel or was it something just added to the Bestiary of Krynn?
#18 brimstone Jul 01, 2004 10:56:08	Originally posted by Amaron Blackthorn Was that done in a novel or was it something just added to the Bestiary of Krynn? Dezra's Quest...a Bridges of Time novel.
#19 zombiegleemax Jul 01, 2004 11:18:03	was it any good?
#20 brimstone Jul 01, 2004 11:29:24	It was excellent, in my opinion. Chris Pierson is a genious...although it's kinda hard to suspend disbelief for Caramon being 60ish and doing what he does in that book. But it certainly forshadows things a bit.
#21 zombiegleemax Jul 01, 2004 11:36:26	Chris Pierson wrote the Kingpriest trilogy didnt he and Spirits of the Wind? He is a great author!!
#22 brimstone Jul 01, 2004 12:51:37	Originally posted by Amaron Blackthorn Chris Pierson wrote the Kingpriest trilogy didnt he and Spirits of the Wind? He is a great author!! That's affirm!
#23 zombiegleemax Jul 01, 2004 13:19:31	great author. great author
#24 zombiegleemax Jul 01, 2004 15:51:10	Dezra´s Quest is a very good novel. In my opinion the best fifth age novel yet...
#25 fiendish_dire_weasel Jul 01, 2004 22:49:58	Originally posted by Ravenmantle Wendle centaurs (the third kind) are a smaller breed of centaurs living in the eastern regions of Ansalon. They are medium size. Statwise they get +4 str, +4 dex, +2 wis, -2 cha. They get +5 natural AC and level adjustment is +1 The skorenoi is a monster template so you´ll probably have to talk your DM about that one... Oh nice, thanks so much. I assume with those stats it still has racial HD. A medium sized centaur, interesting.
#26 zombiegleemax Jul 02, 2004 7:33:42	Originally posted by Fiendish Dire Weasel I assume with those stats it still has racial HD. 2 levels of monstrous humanoid (2d8 Hit Dice, BAB +2, save +0, +3, +3)