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#1
lostone
Jun 30, 2004 18:17:06 Forgive me, I'm sure this has been asked before but didn't see it when I searched. We were playing last night and the DM was unable to find stats for the Silver Arm of Ergoth (he hadn't looked for it in the book but assumed it would be there since it's more important than Rabbitslayer which he knew was in there). Can anyone point us to where this is in the books? Or was it left out and covered in a web enhancement or errata somewhere or in a seperate sourcebook later?
#2
zombiegleemax
Jun 30, 2004 19:14:43 Forgive me for saying this, but although the Silver Arm of Ergoth was very important, Tas was regarded far better than Theros Ironfeld. And although the silver arm was very important, it's actual abilities can translate into making the Dragonlances and little else, although I doubt it actually does.

Thinking about it, wasn't Rabbitslayer what Tas used to kill Chaos? Does that make it more or less important?

As for a sourcebook covering it, I imagine you'd best try the War of the Lance sourcebook, which is due out any day now, honest, guv.
#3
dragontooth
Jun 30, 2004 22:18:21 The silver arm isn't in the DLCS. But from previous editions this is how the silver arm workks from top of my memory.

Person missing an arm may use the Silver arm. It grants the wear a Silver arm of course, and it acts like a ring of regeneration. And of course it can be used to make Dragonlances.

Of course I think it would be cool if the Silver Arm was an intelligent artifact. That informed the wearer how to create Dragonlances, acted like a ring of regeneration, and granted a +2 or +4 to strength bonus (of course this is just a idea i came up with). And tried to convert the wearer to a good alignment if it was anything other then good.

As far as Rabbit Slayer, and the Silver Arm's importants. I think the SIlver Arm is more important then Rabbit Slayer. Rabbit Slayer claim to fame was one use and yes it saved the world. But how many times have the Dragonlances saved the world. Twice the Third Dragon Wars, and the War of the Lance. So the Dragonlance has 1 up on the rabbit slayer.
#4
redwizard
Jun 30, 2004 22:37:17 I have to go with the Silver Arm as well in terms of importance. Saying it can only make Dragonlances is kind of like saying, the importance of the machine gun was that it could only fire more bullets, or that the discovery of the light bulb could only produce artificial light. The ability to create Dragonlances probably created the biggest equalizer for humans against the Dragons and kept them out of another dark age.

Not that RabbitSlayer didn't have it's use as well;)

Cheers
#5
Nived
Jun 30, 2004 22:38:29 I supose one could use the Arm of Nyr (which is mythril) from Defenders of the Faith, change the name and there you go.
#6
zombiegleemax
Jul 01, 2004 10:10:54 Hopefully its stats and information will be provided for in the War of the Lance source book.
#7
brimstone
Jul 01, 2004 10:13:39 I would think the Arm would have to be intelligent. I seem to recall reading somewhere that you need the arm to make a Dragonlance because it knows where to strike the metal...it knows how to make the Dragonlances.
#8
zombiegleemax
Jul 01, 2004 10:22:15 you need both the arm and the Hammer of Kharas. For a true dragonlance dont you also need the blessings of a Cleric of Paladine?
#9
daedavias_dup
Jul 01, 2004 10:24:44
Originally posted by Brimstone
I would think the Arm would have to be intelligent. I seem to recall reading somewhere that you need the arm to make a Dragonlance because it knows where to strike the metal...it knows how to make the Dragonlances.

Can't one make a dragonlance using only the Hammer of Kharas though? I always thought it conveyed the knowledge on where to strike and the Arm always made sure you struck that spot by keeping the hammer steady and what not.
#10
zombiegleemax
Jul 01, 2004 10:26:47 I think that to make the lance with only one of the items was to make it a lesser rather than a true or greater lance I think I remeber reading somewhere.
#11
daedavias_dup
Jul 01, 2004 10:31:41
Originally posted by Amaron Blackthorn
I think that to make the lance with only one of the items was to make it a lesser rather than a true or greater lance I think I remeber reading somewhere.

Yup, it's in the description of the Lesser Dragonlance.
#12
brimstone
Jul 01, 2004 10:33:21
Originally posted by Daedavias
Can't one make a dragonlance using only the Hammer of Kharas though? I always thought it conveyed the knowledge on where to strike and the Arm always made sure you struck that spot by keeping the hammer steady and what not.

Crap...I think you're right. I think it's the Hammer that knows where to strike. My mistake.
#13
zombiegleemax
Jul 01, 2004 10:35:45 Good, it seems that I havent forgotten all that much about the DL world!!
#14
zombiegleemax
Jul 02, 2004 3:20:18
I have to go with the Silver Arm as well in terms of importance. Saying it can only make Dragonlances is kind of like saying, the importance of the machine gun was that it could only fire more bullets, or that the discovery of the light bulb could only produce artificial light. The ability to create Dragonlances probably created the biggest equalizer for humans against the Dragons and kept them out of another dark age.

Mmm, but in all cases, the dragonlances only prevented Takhisis being in charge for a while. Chaos would have wiped out anything. Still, I don't think that the importance of the item is what made the designers put in Tas's dagger over the Silver Arm. A fun dagger is going to have more in-game use than the Silver Arm.

Where is the Silver Arm at the moment?
#15
lostone
Jul 02, 2004 10:17:05 I'm not finished with the novels (I'm reading 3rd Legends novel) but don't remember any mention of what happened to the arm. I'd assume it goes back to the silver dragons once it's wearer dies, it's probably part of the agreement when the wearer gets the arm in the first place, or even a magical enchantment that when the wearer dies or the arm is seperated it teleports back to the silver dragons.
#16
brimstone
Jul 02, 2004 10:32:34
Originally posted by lostone
or even a magical enchantment that when the wearer dies or the arm is seperated it teleports back to the silver dragons.

Why would it go to the silver dragons?
#17
lostone
Jul 02, 2004 10:48:35 Maybe I'm remembering wrong, but aren't they the ones that produced it in the first place and in the chronicles showed Ironfeld (I think that was his name) how to forge the Dragonlances? One of the two silver dragon sisters who have a tendency to fall in love with mortals? :P
#18
zombiegleemax
Jul 02, 2004 11:40:20 How did Theros even get the arm. I dont think it was explained in the Chronicles. When he left Qualinesti he was armless when they find him on Ergoth he has the arm. How did he find it?
#19
zombiegleemax
Jul 07, 2004 14:17:54 According to Chronicles (Theros' boasting) he made it. But isn't there a book that focuses on Ironfeld out there? It might have a more 'official' ruling on it.
#20
zombiegleemax
Jul 07, 2004 15:04:30 In order to make a true dragonlance you need the Arm and the Hammer and the blessing of a god. Paladine I would assume would have done the blessing. Will Kiri-Jolith provide the blessing now in case new lances are needed?

Oh, dragonsilver is needed as well.
#21
valharic
Jul 07, 2004 15:13:47
Originally posted by Amaron Blackthorn
Hopefully its stats and information will be provided for in the War of the Lance source book.

Reading the Silver anniverary D&D publication of the Modules, it states that the arm acts as a ring of regeneration.
#22
zombiegleemax
Jul 07, 2004 15:15:37 I thought that it always acted like a ring of regeneration.
#23
raggart_knug
Jul 08, 2004 2:42:00 According to the Modules (and I'm going by memory), Theros found the Arm in an abandoned shrine during the evacuation of Qualinesti. It was also guarded by a wight, who hunted him down until the Companions finally defeated it.

Rules-wise, it acted as a Ring of Regeneration and granted the user the ability to forge Dragonlances. As a DM, I would also tack on some special requirements in order to put the arm on in the first place; for example, I would require the new wearer to have a minimum number of ranks in weaponsmithing (say, 8 or so), and require that the old arm be lost while defending the innocent. Theros lost his arm harboring refugees in Solace, so it would make sense.

I believe the Arm would have been entombed with Theros after the War of the Lance; I don't think anybody had a claim on the Arm as their own property and would have asked for it back(except perhaps the Qualinesti). I haven't read Theros' book or kept up with the 5th Age books, but it's possible the location may have been lost since the Chaos War, which could be an interesting campaign.
#24
zombiegleemax
Jul 08, 2004 12:57:56
Originally posted by Amaron Blackthorn
In order to make a true dragonlance you need the Arm and the Hammer and the blessing of a god. Paladine I would assume would have done the blessing. Will Kiri-Jolith provide the blessing now in case new lances are needed?

Oh, dragonsilver is needed as well.

This is strictly my opinion of what I have read......

No, Kiri Jolith will not be providing the blessing for new lances. It was a Paladine only thing, and now that Paladine is mortal, it is impossible to make new true dragonlances.

The same would of course apply to abyssal lances, as Takhisis is now dead (ding dong the witch is dead!) and unable to provide her blessings either
#25
iltharanos
Jul 08, 2004 15:54:08 Hmm, whatever did happen to Theros One-Arm after the events of the War of the Lance? Did he have kids ... make some more lances ... kill some minotaurs ... ?

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
#1 lostone Jun 30, 2004 18:17:06	Forgive me, I'm sure this has been asked before but didn't see it when I searched. We were playing last night and the DM was unable to find stats for the Silver Arm of Ergoth (he hadn't looked for it in the book but assumed it would be there since it's more important than Rabbitslayer which he knew was in there). Can anyone point us to where this is in the books? Or was it left out and covered in a web enhancement or errata somewhere or in a seperate sourcebook later?
#2 zombiegleemax Jun 30, 2004 19:14:43	Forgive me for saying this, but although the Silver Arm of Ergoth was very important, Tas was regarded far better than Theros Ironfeld. And although the silver arm was very important, it's actual abilities can translate into making the Dragonlances and little else, although I doubt it actually does. Thinking about it, wasn't Rabbitslayer what Tas used to kill Chaos? Does that make it more or less important? As for a sourcebook covering it, I imagine you'd best try the War of the Lance sourcebook, which is due out any day now, honest, guv.
#3 dragontooth Jun 30, 2004 22:18:21	The silver arm isn't in the DLCS. But from previous editions this is how the silver arm workks from top of my memory. Person missing an arm may use the Silver arm. It grants the wear a Silver arm of course, and it acts like a ring of regeneration. And of course it can be used to make Dragonlances. Of course I think it would be cool if the Silver Arm was an intelligent artifact. That informed the wearer how to create Dragonlances, acted like a ring of regeneration, and granted a +2 or +4 to strength bonus (of course this is just a idea i came up with). And tried to convert the wearer to a good alignment if it was anything other then good. As far as Rabbit Slayer, and the Silver Arm's importants. I think the SIlver Arm is more important then Rabbit Slayer. Rabbit Slayer claim to fame was one use and yes it saved the world. But how many times have the Dragonlances saved the world. Twice the Third Dragon Wars, and the War of the Lance. So the Dragonlance has 1 up on the rabbit slayer.
#4 redwizard Jun 30, 2004 22:37:17	I have to go with the Silver Arm as well in terms of importance. Saying it can only make Dragonlances is kind of like saying, the importance of the machine gun was that it could only fire more bullets, or that the discovery of the light bulb could only produce artificial light. The ability to create Dragonlances probably created the biggest equalizer for humans against the Dragons and kept them out of another dark age. Not that RabbitSlayer didn't have it's use as well;) Cheers
#5 Nived Jun 30, 2004 22:38:29	I supose one could use the Arm of Nyr (which is mythril) from Defenders of the Faith, change the name and there you go.
#6 zombiegleemax Jul 01, 2004 10:10:54	Hopefully its stats and information will be provided for in the War of the Lance source book.
#7 brimstone Jul 01, 2004 10:13:39	I would think the Arm would have to be intelligent. I seem to recall reading somewhere that you need the arm to make a Dragonlance because it knows where to strike the metal...it knows how to make the Dragonlances.
#8 zombiegleemax Jul 01, 2004 10:22:15	you need both the arm and the Hammer of Kharas. For a true dragonlance dont you also need the blessings of a Cleric of Paladine?
#9 daedavias_dup Jul 01, 2004 10:24:44	Originally posted by Brimstone I would think the Arm would have to be intelligent. I seem to recall reading somewhere that you need the arm to make a Dragonlance because it knows where to strike the metal...it knows how to make the Dragonlances. Can't one make a dragonlance using only the Hammer of Kharas though? I always thought it conveyed the knowledge on where to strike and the Arm always made sure you struck that spot by keeping the hammer steady and what not.
#10 zombiegleemax Jul 01, 2004 10:26:47	I think that to make the lance with only one of the items was to make it a lesser rather than a true or greater lance I think I remeber reading somewhere.
#11 daedavias_dup Jul 01, 2004 10:31:41	Originally posted by Amaron Blackthorn I think that to make the lance with only one of the items was to make it a lesser rather than a true or greater lance I think I remeber reading somewhere. Yup, it's in the description of the Lesser Dragonlance.
#12 brimstone Jul 01, 2004 10:33:21	Originally posted by Daedavias Can't one make a dragonlance using only the Hammer of Kharas though? I always thought it conveyed the knowledge on where to strike and the Arm always made sure you struck that spot by keeping the hammer steady and what not. Crap...I think you're right. I think it's the Hammer that knows where to strike. My mistake.
#13 zombiegleemax Jul 01, 2004 10:35:45	Good, it seems that I havent forgotten all that much about the DL world!!
#14 zombiegleemax Jul 02, 2004 3:20:18	I have to go with the Silver Arm as well in terms of importance. Saying it can only make Dragonlances is kind of like saying, the importance of the machine gun was that it could only fire more bullets, or that the discovery of the light bulb could only produce artificial light. The ability to create Dragonlances probably created the biggest equalizer for humans against the Dragons and kept them out of another dark age. Mmm, but in all cases, the dragonlances only prevented Takhisis being in charge for a while. Chaos would have wiped out anything. Still, I don't think that the importance of the item is what made the designers put in Tas's dagger over the Silver Arm. A fun dagger is going to have more in-game use than the Silver Arm. Where is the Silver Arm at the moment?
#15 lostone Jul 02, 2004 10:17:05	I'm not finished with the novels (I'm reading 3rd Legends novel) but don't remember any mention of what happened to the arm. I'd assume it goes back to the silver dragons once it's wearer dies, it's probably part of the agreement when the wearer gets the arm in the first place, or even a magical enchantment that when the wearer dies or the arm is seperated it teleports back to the silver dragons.
#16 brimstone Jul 02, 2004 10:32:34	Originally posted by lostone or even a magical enchantment that when the wearer dies or the arm is seperated it teleports back to the silver dragons. Why would it go to the silver dragons?
#17 lostone Jul 02, 2004 10:48:35	Maybe I'm remembering wrong, but aren't they the ones that produced it in the first place and in the chronicles showed Ironfeld (I think that was his name) how to forge the Dragonlances? One of the two silver dragon sisters who have a tendency to fall in love with mortals? :P
#18 zombiegleemax Jul 02, 2004 11:40:20	How did Theros even get the arm. I dont think it was explained in the Chronicles. When he left Qualinesti he was armless when they find him on Ergoth he has the arm. How did he find it?
#19 zombiegleemax Jul 07, 2004 14:17:54	According to Chronicles (Theros' boasting) he made it. But isn't there a book that focuses on Ironfeld out there? It might have a more 'official' ruling on it.
#20 zombiegleemax Jul 07, 2004 15:04:30	In order to make a true dragonlance you need the Arm and the Hammer and the blessing of a god. Paladine I would assume would have done the blessing. Will Kiri-Jolith provide the blessing now in case new lances are needed? Oh, dragonsilver is needed as well.
#21 valharic Jul 07, 2004 15:13:47	Originally posted by Amaron Blackthorn Hopefully its stats and information will be provided for in the War of the Lance source book. Reading the Silver anniverary D&D publication of the Modules, it states that the arm acts as a ring of regeneration.
#22 zombiegleemax Jul 07, 2004 15:15:37	I thought that it always acted like a ring of regeneration.
#23 raggart_knug Jul 08, 2004 2:42:00	According to the Modules (and I'm going by memory), Theros found the Arm in an abandoned shrine during the evacuation of Qualinesti. It was also guarded by a wight, who hunted him down until the Companions finally defeated it. Rules-wise, it acted as a Ring of Regeneration and granted the user the ability to forge Dragonlances. As a DM, I would also tack on some special requirements in order to put the arm on in the first place; for example, I would require the new wearer to have a minimum number of ranks in weaponsmithing (say, 8 or so), and require that the old arm be lost while defending the innocent. Theros lost his arm harboring refugees in Solace, so it would make sense. I believe the Arm would have been entombed with Theros after the War of the Lance; I don't think anybody had a claim on the Arm as their own property and would have asked for it back(except perhaps the Qualinesti). I haven't read Theros' book or kept up with the 5th Age books, but it's possible the location may have been lost since the Chaos War, which could be an interesting campaign.
#24 zombiegleemax Jul 08, 2004 12:57:56	Originally posted by Amaron Blackthorn In order to make a true dragonlance you need the Arm and the Hammer and the blessing of a god. Paladine I would assume would have done the blessing. Will Kiri-Jolith provide the blessing now in case new lances are needed? Oh, dragonsilver is needed as well. This is strictly my opinion of what I have read...... No, Kiri Jolith will not be providing the blessing for new lances. It was a Paladine only thing, and now that Paladine is mortal, it is impossible to make new true dragonlances. The same would of course apply to abyssal lances, as Takhisis is now dead (ding dong the witch is dead!) and unable to provide her blessings either
#25 iltharanos Jul 08, 2004 15:54:08	Hmm, whatever did happen to Theros One-Arm after the events of the War of the Lance? Did he have kids ... make some more lances ... kill some minotaurs ... ?