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#1
brimstone
Jul 06, 2004 9:17:40 Okay...here's a question for you. Two of my players (well, actually all of my players are married to each other...I mean, there are four gamers and they are two couples). Anyway...they thought it'd be fun to be married in the game too. One couple are a human female wizard and a maile Neidar rogue...not the most scensical couple in the world...but I could deal with that.

The other couple decided to be a female Qualinesti cleric of Mishakal and a male minotaur barbarian. And they still want to be married.

I don't think they completely understand the xenophobic nature of this continent...but even so, I thought I'd try to come up with a reason why a minotaur and an elf would be married...or at least a couple.

......

Yeah, I've got nothin'. Any thoughts?
#2
zombiegleemax
Jul 06, 2004 10:14:40 Slave. Guess who. Though I don't know if an elven female and male minotaur could officially...uh....*cough* consumate the relationship-i mean, her survival probability doesn't look too good.:embarrass
#3
dragontooth
Jul 06, 2004 10:57:40 Take off your shoe, and throw it at them Brim.

But seriously I would tell them to write a story on why their characters would be married or even as a couple given their way different race, and even the world events regarding their given races.
#4
zombiegleemax
Jul 06, 2004 11:03:34 that sounds just terrible!!!
#5
zombiegleemax
Jul 06, 2004 11:05:15 I think it's a pretty good idea. I mean, Marshal Medan fell in love with the Elves and Laurana. And he was a Dark Knight. I suppose that minotaurs are something very different but if the players provided a good reason/background why they were a couple, then what the heck.
#6
zombiegleemax
Jul 06, 2004 11:07:39 But Laurana and Medan were at least people. Minotaurs are cows. Bestiality anyone?
#7
zombiegleemax
Jul 06, 2004 11:10:30 You do have a point... Maybe it could be a tragic love story?
#8
zombiegleemax
Jul 06, 2004 11:12:07 Tragic? Maybe.
Sick? Goes without saying.

MOO MOO MOO
#9
cam_banks
Jul 06, 2004 11:48:40 Perhaps they were lovers in a previous life. That makes things tragic, especially if they've come back as an elf and a minotaur. Alternately, he may have come back as a minotaur within her own lifetime, from childhood sweetheart to reincarnated racial foe. The trick with that is determining how that occurred, and a good use of the recent War of Souls trilogy is to play into the fact that no souls could leave while the necromantic barrier was in place.

Male elf dies in the Chaos War, but is prevented from leaving until he can right some wrong he felt he did to the love of his life. During the Age of Mortals, one of those scary spiritualists from the minotaur novels learns that her child is dying within her womb, and appeals to Nephera to help her. Nephera, always keen to make things difficult, calls a new soul to the child, but it's the elf. The child is born, an elven soul in a minotaur's body and the perfect central character in a time of elf/minotaur conflict.

Alternately, it's Takhisis who does it, not Nephera, as a sort of experiment. She also expects Sargonnas to be very unhappy with this if he ever finds her and Krynn, but why not throw a wrench into those plans?

Cheers,
Cam
#10
dragontooth
Jul 06, 2004 12:03:56
Originally posted by Cam Banks
Perhaps they were lovers in a previous life. That makes things tragic, especially if they've come back as an elf and a minotaur. Alternately, he may have come back as a minotaur within her own lifetime, from childhood sweetheart to reincarnated racial foe. The trick with that is determining how that occurred, and a good use of the recent War of Souls trilogy is to play into the fact that no souls could leave while the necromantic barrier was in place.

Male elf dies in the Chaos War, but is prevented from leaving until he can right some wrong he felt he did to the love of his life. During the Age of Mortals, one of those scary spiritualists from the minotaur novels learns that her child is dying within her womb, and appeals to Nephera to help her. Nephera, always keen to make things difficult, calls a new soul to the child, but it's the elf. The child is born, an elven soul in a minotaur's body and the perfect central character in a time of elf/minotaur conflict.

Alternately, it's Takhisis who does it, not Nephera, as a sort of experiment. She also expects Sargonnas to be very unhappy with this if he ever finds her and Krynn, but why not throw a wrench into those plans?

Cheers,
Cam

That was pretty good Cam. Maybe Brim won't have to throw a shoe at anybody. lol
#11
brimstone
Jul 06, 2004 12:19:29 I like that very much Cam! I think I can work with that. The other problem would be how she knows...and does he know? I was thinking that she could be informed by Mishakal or is given a vision from her or something (since she's a Cleric of Mishakal). Perhaps once the gods return, and she finds out what happened during the War of Souls, she prays to her goddess for her lost lover's soul. Instead, she is informed that his soul did not continue on with the rest of the river at the end of the War of Souls, and when the goddess discovers why, she informs the Qualinesti (sorry...no names yet) of the tragic fate of her lover's soul.

Yeah...I very much like this idea. I'll run it by them.
#12
Dragonhelm
Jul 06, 2004 13:06:32 While I'm very fond of the shoe idea :D, there may be another alternative.

Beauty and the Beast.

The Qualinesti elf is a refugee after the destruction of Qualinost. She has traveled with her people across the Plains of Dust to Silvanesti, and is now a nomad, as are all her people.

Meanwhile, the minotaurs have taken over Silvanesti, and our minotaur male is a soldier in the army. Yet he is not like his brethren. There is no honor in attacking a lesser race. Instead, he would rather fight a worthy foe.

The minotaur is then assigned to a scouting party, which is ambushed by the elves. He turns upon his brethren right when they are about to kill the elf. In the end, he is the only minotaur standing, but he has grievous injuries. The elf pleads that his life be spared, and tends to his ministrations.

While the two are vastly different, they find a common bond between them and fall in love. They know such a relationship would be forbidden by both their peoples, so they strike out on their own.

I'll see if I can come up with something more on this idea later today.

Good luck, Brim, and good shoe! ;)
#13
brimstone
Jul 06, 2004 13:33:47 That's really good too, Trampas...and kinda what I was thinking originally.

Keep 'em comin' though! I sent the link of this thread to my players so hopefully they'll read these and it will spark some idea that they're both happy with.

(all they've really got so far is "tragic forbidden love, ala Romeo and Juliete"...that's what they came up with this weekend)
#14
Dragonhelm
Jul 06, 2004 13:45:01
Originally posted by Brimstone
(all they've really got so far is "tragic forbidden love, ala Romeo and Juliete"...that's what they came up with this weekend)

Or, tragic love ala Huma and the silver dragon.

What if they had to give up love in a former life in order to save the world or do some great good deed, and now they're given a second chance at love? The evil gods oppose this, of course, due to the nature of the great deed they did.

Gilean then decrees that they may have the chance, but that they must come from opposite cultures. And so one is reborn as an elf, and the other as a minotaur.

Enter in my previous Beauty and the Beast scenario. The two discover there is some connection, and perhaps start experiencing visions of another life and another face, yet the same souls.

Will the pair find love? Will they have to sacrifice love once more?
#15
zombiegleemax
Jul 06, 2004 13:52:08 Say what you like about it, it is just nasty. An elf and a minotaur? Not right, not right. Not right at all.
#16
brimstone
Jul 06, 2004 13:59:57 Perhaps the visions are triggered whenever she heals him...and that's how they both first had them. She being a cleric of Mishakal cannot refuse healing to anyone...and she came across the minotaur wounded, so she healed him, and during the spell...they have some sort of image or vision of the past.

That soul connection seems more along the lines for a mystic than a cleric...but I think it'd work in this situation.
#17
baron_the_curse
Jul 06, 2004 14:04:57
Originally posted by Loren Stronghilt
I think it's a pretty good idea. I mean, Marshal Medan fell in love with the Elves and Laurana. And he was a Dark Knight. I suppose that minotaurs are something very different but if the players provided a good reason/background why they were a couple, then what the heck.

Any human that spends that much time in Qualinost is going to fall for the elves. Aside from that elves are consider the most attractive of all the races. It is not so far fetch for a human to fall in love with Laurana. Actually, is expected.

What their doing is a terrible idea and the worse case of suspension of disbelieve I’ve ever heard of. Brim, remind your “couples” that they’re playing a game. There characters don’t have to be couples as well. I just don’t see an elven woman with a Minotaur or vice versa to be honest, Minotaurs don’t consider humans and elves to be attractive. But aside from just physical attraction I would say your players will have to write a very damn good reason why they love each other, such as going together through a very, very harrowing experience.
#18
iltharanos
Jul 06, 2004 14:36:48
Originally posted by Brimstone

Yeah, I've got nothin'. Any thoughts?

At first blush it sounds rather far-fetched, but let's not forget that (as Dragonhelm mentioned) there have been even more far-fetched love affairs, such as Huma and the Silver Dragon or Gilthanas and his Silver Dragon. Sure an elf and a minotaur seems like an unlikely pairing ... but a multi-ton fire/frost breathing armored flying quadraped and a soft-skinned landbound biped strikes me as an even more unlikely pairing.

There is some precedent with minotaurs falling in love with non-minotaur humanoids; e.g. Maquesta the half-elf and Bahs-on Koraf her minotaur first mate ...
#19
true_blue
Jul 06, 2004 14:45:58 I don't see anything wrong with a Monitaur being in love with an Elf. One humanoid could fall in love with pretty much any other. An orc or ogre isn't too much different than a minotaur, so I don't see a huge problem. Also, there are half-dragons all over the place in other settings, and not just with "humanoids". To me thats sicker than a minotaur and an elf.

Allowing the love seems to reasonable to me... but if you do now you have to decide if they can have children. It might never come up.. but who knows where the story would go. I would probably lean at first towards no...but then again Dragon magazine had an article with a template for a half-minotaur. So who knows?
#20
zombiegleemax
Jul 06, 2004 15:28:57 All I got to say is OUCH for th elf.
#21
zombiegleemax
Jul 06, 2004 16:29:27 My question is how are you going to rule, when the ask about breeding?
#22
brimstone
Jul 06, 2004 17:05:29 Yeah, on the breeding aspect...I'm definately going with a no on that.

Or if they do...it will be some sort of mishapen child. In my Dragonlance, only humans can cross breed with other races without any problem of mutated children. Elves and ogres equal goblins, gnomes and dwarves equal Aghar, etc. So...would an elf and minotaur equal some sort of horned goblin? I don't know...I think it's best to just say...minotaurs and elves can't procreate.
#23
zombiegleemax
Jul 06, 2004 17:13:02
Originally posted by dave morbid
My question is how are you going to rule, when the ask about breeding?

COWgirl?
I think Brimstone's plan to leave that one alone is a good idea!
#24
Dragonhelm
Jul 06, 2004 17:43:46
Originally posted by dave morbid
My question is how are you going to rule, when the ask about breeding?

Why does this even have to come into play? I think they can still role-play a viable romance without having to go down that road.
#25
zombiegleemax
Jul 06, 2004 18:04:50 One thing you'll have to keep in mind with the story is that the minotaur is a barbarian, with the rage ability. If you were to have an elven soul in minotaur body, then having the rage effect wouldn't work. This would also stand in the way of most relationships with clerics of a god of healing - someone who's purpose and goal is to eradicate murderdeathKILLGARGLEEYEBALLSBLOODRRAAAAAARRRGGHH!! etc.

There's also the possibility of a polymorph spell or effect going on in there somewhere. Cursed Helmet of Horniness? No, that's not quite right... Cursed Belt of Bull's Strength?
#26
dragontooth
Jul 06, 2004 22:22:44
Originally posted by Brimstone
Yeah, on the breeding aspect...I'm definately going with a no on that.

So...would an elf and minotaur equal some sort of horned goblin?

it would be a Kobold, defiantely a Kobold. :D
#27
redwizard
Jul 07, 2004 1:31:31 A minotaur and a elf walk into a bar, the minotaur turns to the elf and says, "Got milk?":D
#28
zombiegleemax
Jul 07, 2004 2:43:52 Stupid double post...
#29
zombiegleemax
Jul 07, 2004 2:44:24 I didn't mean to imply it had to go down that road. I've just been in few parties, where a "couple" wanted to have progeny. It comes up, and there never has to be "on-screen" intimate relations.

And the fact they can't reproduce would add a bit of tradegy to it.

And sometimes having a child in game adds to the interest of the players.
#30
zombiegleemax
Jul 07, 2004 11:10:09 I have said it and will say it again:

NASTY
#31
cam_banks
Jul 07, 2004 12:14:18
Originally posted by Amaron Blackthorn
I have said it and will say it again:

NASTY

So noted. Can this be the last time you say it, please? Thanks.

Cheers,
Cam
#32
zombiegleemax
Jul 07, 2004 13:53:05
Originally posted by pddisc
One thing you'll have to keep in mind with the story is that the minotaur is a barbarian, with the rage ability. If you were to have an elven soul in minotaur body, then having the rage effect wouldn't work. This would also stand in the way of most relationships with clerics of a god of healing - someone who's purpose and goal is to eradicate murderdeathKILLGARGLEEYEBALLSBLOODRRAAAAAARRRGGHH!! etc.

I think there's some erroneous assumption going on there. There's an implication that a Barbarian - chaos - must be inherently bad. That's silly, and rather like implying that order and law must be inherently good - the Dark Knights prove this to be incorrect.

In my opinion, Elven Barbarians can and have existed. Perhaps not in the Silvanesti, and perhaps not even in the Qualinesti (it'd be kind of a stretch, at least), but definitely with the Kagonesti. It's just a different style of behavior, not a 'my only purpose is to kill' sort of thing. By that logic, nigh every character is 'only meant to kill'.
#33
iltharanos
Jul 07, 2004 14:14:45
Originally posted by Cam Banks
So noted. Can this be the last time you say it, please? Thanks.

Cheers,
Cam

Nasty.
#34
zombiegleemax
Jul 07, 2004 16:12:39
Originally posted by Amaron Blackthorn
But Laurana and Medan were at least people. Minotaurs are cows. Bestiality anyone?

Minotaurs in Dragonlance are completely unrelated to cows; they are a subspecies of ogres.

For a discussion of the interbreeding of minotaurs and humans see:-

http://forums.dragonlance.com/discussions.cfm?forumid=4&topicid=29759

I suppose that most of these remarks should apply also to elves.
#35
brimstone
Jul 07, 2004 16:31:05
Originally posted by The Udjat
There's an implication that a Barbarian - chaos - must be inherently bad.

I agree. Personally, I think that Riverwind is a perfect specimen for the 3.5e Barbarian class. He certainly rages a few times in the small number of books he's in (I can think of at least three off the top of my head). Maybe not a complete Barbarian...but I'd say he's at least got 4 or 5 levels of it. And Goldmoon, a Cleric of Mishakal loves him and marries him.

But, that's kinda getting off the point a little bit. They're both still human...and that's the problem I was having.
#36
lord_zeb_02
Jul 07, 2004 21:19:42 So, Brim, have you pitched the ideas to the couple yet? I vote for the Beauty & the Beast idea.

"It's not the outside that matters honey, your frail elven body doesn't impede how I feel for you."

Heh. Minotaurs rock.
#37
brimstone
Jul 08, 2004 9:38:28 Not yet...we've all been pretty busy. I sent e-mails, but I don't think anyone's had time to go over them yet.

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#1 brimstone Jul 06, 2004 9:17:40	Okay...here's a question for you. Two of my players (well, actually all of my players are married to each other...I mean, there are four gamers and they are two couples). Anyway...they thought it'd be fun to be married in the game too. One couple are a human female wizard and a maile Neidar rogue...not the most scensical couple in the world...but I could deal with that. The other couple decided to be a female Qualinesti cleric of Mishakal and a male minotaur barbarian. And they still want to be married. I don't think they completely understand the xenophobic nature of this continent...but even so, I thought I'd try to come up with a reason why a minotaur and an elf would be married...or at least a couple. ...... Yeah, I've got nothin'. Any thoughts?
#2 zombiegleemax Jul 06, 2004 10:14:40	Slave. Guess who. Though I don't know if an elven female and male minotaur could officially...uh....cough consumate the relationship-i mean, her survival probability doesn't look too good.:embarrass
#3 dragontooth Jul 06, 2004 10:57:40	Take off your shoe, and throw it at them Brim. But seriously I would tell them to write a story on why their characters would be married or even as a couple given their way different race, and even the world events regarding their given races.
#4 zombiegleemax Jul 06, 2004 11:03:34	that sounds just terrible!!!
#5 zombiegleemax Jul 06, 2004 11:05:15	I think it's a pretty good idea. I mean, Marshal Medan fell in love with the Elves and Laurana. And he was a Dark Knight. I suppose that minotaurs are something very different but if the players provided a good reason/background why they were a couple, then what the heck.
#6 zombiegleemax Jul 06, 2004 11:07:39	But Laurana and Medan were at least people. Minotaurs are cows. Bestiality anyone?
#7 zombiegleemax Jul 06, 2004 11:10:30	You do have a point... Maybe it could be a tragic love story?
#8 zombiegleemax Jul 06, 2004 11:12:07	Tragic? Maybe. Sick? Goes without saying. MOO MOO MOO
#9 cam_banks Jul 06, 2004 11:48:40	Perhaps they were lovers in a previous life. That makes things tragic, especially if they've come back as an elf and a minotaur. Alternately, he may have come back as a minotaur within her own lifetime, from childhood sweetheart to reincarnated racial foe. The trick with that is determining how that occurred, and a good use of the recent War of Souls trilogy is to play into the fact that no souls could leave while the necromantic barrier was in place. Male elf dies in the Chaos War, but is prevented from leaving until he can right some wrong he felt he did to the love of his life. During the Age of Mortals, one of those scary spiritualists from the minotaur novels learns that her child is dying within her womb, and appeals to Nephera to help her. Nephera, always keen to make things difficult, calls a new soul to the child, but it's the elf. The child is born, an elven soul in a minotaur's body and the perfect central character in a time of elf/minotaur conflict. Alternately, it's Takhisis who does it, not Nephera, as a sort of experiment. She also expects Sargonnas to be very unhappy with this if he ever finds her and Krynn, but why not throw a wrench into those plans? Cheers, Cam
#10 dragontooth Jul 06, 2004 12:03:56	Originally posted by Cam Banks Perhaps they were lovers in a previous life. That makes things tragic, especially if they've come back as an elf and a minotaur. Alternately, he may have come back as a minotaur within her own lifetime, from childhood sweetheart to reincarnated racial foe. The trick with that is determining how that occurred, and a good use of the recent War of Souls trilogy is to play into the fact that no souls could leave while the necromantic barrier was in place. Male elf dies in the Chaos War, but is prevented from leaving until he can right some wrong he felt he did to the love of his life. During the Age of Mortals, one of those scary spiritualists from the minotaur novels learns that her child is dying within her womb, and appeals to Nephera to help her. Nephera, always keen to make things difficult, calls a new soul to the child, but it's the elf. The child is born, an elven soul in a minotaur's body and the perfect central character in a time of elf/minotaur conflict. Alternately, it's Takhisis who does it, not Nephera, as a sort of experiment. She also expects Sargonnas to be very unhappy with this if he ever finds her and Krynn, but why not throw a wrench into those plans? Cheers, Cam That was pretty good Cam. Maybe Brim won't have to throw a shoe at anybody. lol
#11 brimstone Jul 06, 2004 12:19:29	I like that very much Cam! I think I can work with that. The other problem would be how she knows...and does he know? I was thinking that she could be informed by Mishakal or is given a vision from her or something (since she's a Cleric of Mishakal). Perhaps once the gods return, and she finds out what happened during the War of Souls, she prays to her goddess for her lost lover's soul. Instead, she is informed that his soul did not continue on with the rest of the river at the end of the War of Souls, and when the goddess discovers why, she informs the Qualinesti (sorry...no names yet) of the tragic fate of her lover's soul. Yeah...I very much like this idea. I'll run it by them.
#12 Dragonhelm Jul 06, 2004 13:06:32	While I'm very fond of the shoe idea :D, there may be another alternative. Beauty and the Beast. The Qualinesti elf is a refugee after the destruction of Qualinost. She has traveled with her people across the Plains of Dust to Silvanesti, and is now a nomad, as are all her people. Meanwhile, the minotaurs have taken over Silvanesti, and our minotaur male is a soldier in the army. Yet he is not like his brethren. There is no honor in attacking a lesser race. Instead, he would rather fight a worthy foe. The minotaur is then assigned to a scouting party, which is ambushed by the elves. He turns upon his brethren right when they are about to kill the elf. In the end, he is the only minotaur standing, but he has grievous injuries. The elf pleads that his life be spared, and tends to his ministrations. While the two are vastly different, they find a common bond between them and fall in love. They know such a relationship would be forbidden by both their peoples, so they strike out on their own. I'll see if I can come up with something more on this idea later today. Good luck, Brim, and good shoe! ;)
#13 brimstone Jul 06, 2004 13:33:47	That's really good too, Trampas...and kinda what I was thinking originally. Keep 'em comin' though! I sent the link of this thread to my players so hopefully they'll read these and it will spark some idea that they're both happy with. (all they've really got so far is "tragic forbidden love, ala Romeo and Juliete"...that's what they came up with this weekend)
#14 Dragonhelm Jul 06, 2004 13:45:01	Originally posted by Brimstone (all they've really got so far is "tragic forbidden love, ala Romeo and Juliete"...that's what they came up with this weekend) Or, tragic love ala Huma and the silver dragon. What if they had to give up love in a former life in order to save the world or do some great good deed, and now they're given a second chance at love? The evil gods oppose this, of course, due to the nature of the great deed they did. Gilean then decrees that they may have the chance, but that they must come from opposite cultures. And so one is reborn as an elf, and the other as a minotaur. Enter in my previous Beauty and the Beast scenario. The two discover there is some connection, and perhaps start experiencing visions of another life and another face, yet the same souls. Will the pair find love? Will they have to sacrifice love once more?
#15 zombiegleemax Jul 06, 2004 13:52:08	Say what you like about it, it is just nasty. An elf and a minotaur? Not right, not right. Not right at all.
#16 brimstone Jul 06, 2004 13:59:57	Perhaps the visions are triggered whenever she heals him...and that's how they both first had them. She being a cleric of Mishakal cannot refuse healing to anyone...and she came across the minotaur wounded, so she healed him, and during the spell...they have some sort of image or vision of the past. That soul connection seems more along the lines for a mystic than a cleric...but I think it'd work in this situation.
#17 baron_the_curse Jul 06, 2004 14:04:57	Originally posted by Loren Stronghilt I think it's a pretty good idea. I mean, Marshal Medan fell in love with the Elves and Laurana. And he was a Dark Knight. I suppose that minotaurs are something very different but if the players provided a good reason/background why they were a couple, then what the heck. Any human that spends that much time in Qualinost is going to fall for the elves. Aside from that elves are consider the most attractive of all the races. It is not so far fetch for a human to fall in love with Laurana. Actually, is expected. What their doing is a terrible idea and the worse case of suspension of disbelieve I’ve ever heard of. Brim, remind your “couples” that they’re playing a game. There characters don’t have to be couples as well. I just don’t see an elven woman with a Minotaur or vice versa to be honest, Minotaurs don’t consider humans and elves to be attractive. But aside from just physical attraction I would say your players will have to write a very damn good reason why they love each other, such as going together through a very, very harrowing experience.
#18 iltharanos Jul 06, 2004 14:36:48	Originally posted by Brimstone Yeah, I've got nothin'. Any thoughts? At first blush it sounds rather far-fetched, but let's not forget that (as Dragonhelm mentioned) there have been even more far-fetched love affairs, such as Huma and the Silver Dragon or Gilthanas and his Silver Dragon. Sure an elf and a minotaur seems like an unlikely pairing ... but a multi-ton fire/frost breathing armored flying quadraped and a soft-skinned landbound biped strikes me as an even more unlikely pairing. There is some precedent with minotaurs falling in love with non-minotaur humanoids; e.g. Maquesta the half-elf and Bahs-on Koraf her minotaur first mate ...
#19 true_blue Jul 06, 2004 14:45:58	I don't see anything wrong with a Monitaur being in love with an Elf. One humanoid could fall in love with pretty much any other. An orc or ogre isn't too much different than a minotaur, so I don't see a huge problem. Also, there are half-dragons all over the place in other settings, and not just with "humanoids". To me thats sicker than a minotaur and an elf. Allowing the love seems to reasonable to me... but if you do now you have to decide if they can have children. It might never come up.. but who knows where the story would go. I would probably lean at first towards no...but then again Dragon magazine had an article with a template for a half-minotaur. So who knows?
#20 zombiegleemax Jul 06, 2004 15:28:57	All I got to say is OUCH for th elf.
#21 zombiegleemax Jul 06, 2004 16:29:27	My question is how are you going to rule, when the ask about breeding?
#22 brimstone Jul 06, 2004 17:05:29	Yeah, on the breeding aspect...I'm definately going with a no on that. Or if they do...it will be some sort of mishapen child. In my Dragonlance, only humans can cross breed with other races without any problem of mutated children. Elves and ogres equal goblins, gnomes and dwarves equal Aghar, etc. So...would an elf and minotaur equal some sort of horned goblin? I don't know...I think it's best to just say...minotaurs and elves can't procreate.
#23 zombiegleemax Jul 06, 2004 17:13:02	Originally posted by dave morbid My question is how are you going to rule, when the ask about breeding? COWgirl? I think Brimstone's plan to leave that one alone is a good idea!
#24 Dragonhelm Jul 06, 2004 17:43:46	Originally posted by dave morbid My question is how are you going to rule, when the ask about breeding? Why does this even have to come into play? I think they can still role-play a viable romance without having to go down that road.
#25 zombiegleemax Jul 06, 2004 18:04:50	One thing you'll have to keep in mind with the story is that the minotaur is a barbarian, with the rage ability. If you were to have an elven soul in minotaur body, then having the rage effect wouldn't work. This would also stand in the way of most relationships with clerics of a god of healing - someone who's purpose and goal is to eradicate murderdeathKILLGARGLEEYEBALLSBLOODRRAAAAAARRRGGHH!! etc. There's also the possibility of a polymorph spell or effect going on in there somewhere. Cursed Helmet of Horniness? No, that's not quite right... Cursed Belt of Bull's Strength?
#26 dragontooth Jul 06, 2004 22:22:44	Originally posted by Brimstone Yeah, on the breeding aspect...I'm definately going with a no on that. So...would an elf and minotaur equal some sort of horned goblin? it would be a Kobold, defiantely a Kobold. :D
#27 redwizard Jul 07, 2004 1:31:31	A minotaur and a elf walk into a bar, the minotaur turns to the elf and says, "Got milk?":D
#28 zombiegleemax Jul 07, 2004 2:43:52	Stupid double post...
#29 zombiegleemax Jul 07, 2004 2:44:24	I didn't mean to imply it had to go down that road. I've just been in few parties, where a "couple" wanted to have progeny. It comes up, and there never has to be "on-screen" intimate relations. And the fact they can't reproduce would add a bit of tradegy to it. And sometimes having a child in game adds to the interest of the players.
#30 zombiegleemax Jul 07, 2004 11:10:09	I have said it and will say it again: NASTY
#31 cam_banks Jul 07, 2004 12:14:18	Originally posted by Amaron Blackthorn I have said it and will say it again: NASTY So noted. Can this be the last time you say it, please? Thanks. Cheers, Cam
#32 zombiegleemax Jul 07, 2004 13:53:05	Originally posted by pddisc One thing you'll have to keep in mind with the story is that the minotaur is a barbarian, with the rage ability. If you were to have an elven soul in minotaur body, then having the rage effect wouldn't work. This would also stand in the way of most relationships with clerics of a god of healing - someone who's purpose and goal is to eradicate murderdeathKILLGARGLEEYEBALLSBLOODRRAAAAAARRRGGHH!! etc. I think there's some erroneous assumption going on there. There's an implication that a Barbarian - chaos - must be inherently bad. That's silly, and rather like implying that order and law must be inherently good - the Dark Knights prove this to be incorrect. In my opinion, Elven Barbarians can and have existed. Perhaps not in the Silvanesti, and perhaps not even in the Qualinesti (it'd be kind of a stretch, at least), but definitely with the Kagonesti. It's just a different style of behavior, not a 'my only purpose is to kill' sort of thing. By that logic, nigh every character is 'only meant to kill'.
#33 iltharanos Jul 07, 2004 14:14:45	Originally posted by Cam Banks So noted. Can this be the last time you say it, please? Thanks. Cheers, Cam Nasty.
#34 zombiegleemax Jul 07, 2004 16:12:39	Originally posted by Amaron Blackthorn But Laurana and Medan were at least people. Minotaurs are cows. Bestiality anyone? Minotaurs in Dragonlance are completely unrelated to cows; they are a subspecies of ogres. For a discussion of the interbreeding of minotaurs and humans see:- http://forums.dragonlance.com/discussions.cfm?forumid=4&topicid=29759 I suppose that most of these remarks should apply also to elves.
#35 brimstone Jul 07, 2004 16:31:05	Originally posted by The Udjat There's an implication that a Barbarian - chaos - must be inherently bad. I agree. Personally, I think that Riverwind is a perfect specimen for the 3.5e Barbarian class. He certainly rages a few times in the small number of books he's in (I can think of at least three off the top of my head). Maybe not a complete Barbarian...but I'd say he's at least got 4 or 5 levels of it. And Goldmoon, a Cleric of Mishakal loves him and marries him. But, that's kinda getting off the point a little bit. They're both still human...and that's the problem I was having.
#36 lord_zeb_02 Jul 07, 2004 21:19:42	So, Brim, have you pitched the ideas to the couple yet? I vote for the Beauty & the Beast idea. "It's not the outside that matters honey, your frail elven body doesn't impede how I feel for you." Heh. Minotaurs rock.
#37 brimstone Jul 08, 2004 9:38:28	Not yet...we've all been pretty busy. I sent e-mails, but I don't think anyone's had time to go over them yet.