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#1
zombiegleemax
Jul 06, 2004 17:36:51 Dungeon Magazine and anything relative to the periodical and it's content is Greyhawk related.

Do we have to proove it?
#2
zombiegleemax
Jul 06, 2004 20:11:38 If there are specific Dungeon articles related to Greyhawk that you want to discuss on these boards, that's fine.

Dungeon articles that relate to D&D in general or are related to other settings (i.e. Eberron) belong on a more appropriate forum.
#3
zombiegleemax
Jul 06, 2004 22:11:35 I just sent off a PM to Wizo_Drake. The shutting down of recent threads is completely overboard and extremely heavy-handed.

Here is what I wrote:

I've said it before and I'll say it again, a board with this topic NEEDS a moderator who friggin KNOWS the setting. Erik Mona is a long time Greyhawk fan and a regular to this very board. Shutting down this topic was exceptionally short-sighted and indicative of a person who knows nothing about the setting they're moderating a discussion on.

I politely demand that this topic be re-opened. It IS a Greyhawk discussion. If you had even BOTHERED to read the interview, or had known even a smidgeon of what was going on around here, you would realize that the interview is VERY Greyhawk topical. Shutting it down will only earn you enmity with the regulars to this board as it shows that you don't care a whit for their feelings or thoughts. If you can shut down a thread that is so obviously (to a Greyhawk fan or regular to the boards) ON TOPIC, then what point is there in coming to the board at all?

It'd be nice to get some support from y'all on this by either posting support in this thread or a PM/email to Wizo_Drake. We have to let them know that we won't stand for arbitrary and ill-considered moderation of topical discussion. We should also petition for a moderator who actually cares about the setting and understands what is actually going on here, rather than some outsider who shuts down whatever remotely takes his fancy on a whim. And yes, it is a whim, because if he had thought about it and made an effort to understand this board and the post, he wouldn't have shut it down, so it can only be arbitrary and whimsical since no effort was made on his part.
#4
mortellan
Jul 06, 2004 22:24:36 I'd be happy to sign a petition for a new Wizo. We also need a couple FAQ's for this board, the other boards have TONS of them. Without a FAQ and an accepted moderator many posters just assume to do what we like. Heck a month or so ago a few of us were discussing WotC novels on here and it took forever to shut it down. But then a new thread whose last response was made by Erik Mona himself gets shut down? There's no consistency.
#5
zombiegleemax
Jul 06, 2004 22:50:22 I like Greyhawk! I'll be the mod!
#6
zombiegleemax
Jul 06, 2004 23:27:07
WizO_Drake wrote on 07-07-04 04:14 PM:

I will look over the interview again and make a decision based on the content.

However, Erik Mona does not equal Greyhawk. He equals the editor of a magazine, and one that is no longer supported by WotC's boards. While I respect him as a guest of the boards, I'm bound by board policy.

Greyhawk boards are for the discussion of Oerth, not of Erik Mona, unless it ties into Oerth.

This is exactly the problem I'm talking about. You don't understand the in's and out's of Greyhawk and therefore cannot be a fair judge of a board about Greyhawk. Erik Mona IS the BE ALL and END ALL of official Greyhawk content. He is the ONLY person in the industry who has the power and the ability to publish new Greyhawk content, and as a major fan of Greyhawk (which you would know if you had talked with him at all or had read the interview), it is a Greyhawk fans last best hope to see the world remain alive as a content producing setting.

Erik Mona IS Greyhawk. You cannot argue that fact and the fact is, I highly suspect he would agree with that comment. I've talked with him over several years on a few occassions and know his passion and conviction for the setting. He is almost solely responsible (on an official published level) for it being still alive and kicking despite WotC's attempts to kill it off.

And as to you reviewing the interview... my god, do we now have to have a minimum Greyhawk content in every friggin post? 80% and above or it gets locked! Your post does not meet the minimum Greyhawk content quota, you are banned! That is patently and absolutely absurd. An interview with Erik Mona alone, regardless of Greyhawk content, is Greyhawk specific because to most Greyhawk fans, especially the ones who come to this board, he is our greatest friggin hero.
#7
zombiegleemax
Jul 06, 2004 23:43:00 Okay, folks, that's enough. Let's not go on a "Kill the WizO" quest. Let me explain the reasoning behind recent thread closures.

Dungeon thread closure - This was due to flaming, pure and simple. Closing the thread had nothing to do with the fact that it dealt with Dungeon magazine.

Erik Mona Interview thread - This was closed since the thread itself wasn't saying anything about Greyhawk. Perhaps I was a bit heavy handed on closing this thread. I'll re-open it, but let's keep it on Greyhawk if we could please.

Folks, it isn't my intention to be the "board nazi". In fact, I do want to promote discussion. At the same time, let's look at what we came here to discuss - Greyhawk. I'm not saying every post has to be 100% on topic, but let's try to keep it at least somewhat on topic.

However, we do have to make a distinction. While Erik Mona is a big part of Greyhawk, he also functions as the editor of Dungeon magazine, which is not 100% Greyhawk. I know he's a hero to many of you and I respect that.

To make a comparison, it would be unfair to go to the Dragonlance boards and discuss Tracy Hickman's new series, the Bronze Canticles. Some say he is the heart and soul of Dragonlance, yet Bronze Canticles is not Dragonlance. Likewise, Dungeon magazine does not equal Greyhawk.

My rule of thumb is this - if there's any content in Dungeon or Dragon magazines or any rulebook, etc. that deals with the Greyhawk setting, it's cool. If you wish to discuss Erik Mona's involvement with Greyhawk, that's cool as well.

So rather than making this thread a "Roast the WizO" thread, I'm going to close it so that it doesn't lead to a flame war. I have re-opened the Erik Mona thread and I encourage board members to ask him about his involvement in this great setting. If any of you still wish to discuss the matter further, feel free to PM either myself or WizO Paradox.

--Drake

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
#1 zombiegleemax Jul 06, 2004 17:36:51	Dungeon Magazine and anything relative to the periodical and it's content is Greyhawk related. Do we have to proove it?
#2 zombiegleemax Jul 06, 2004 20:11:38	If there are specific Dungeon articles related to Greyhawk that you want to discuss on these boards, that's fine. Dungeon articles that relate to D&D in general or are related to other settings (i.e. Eberron) belong on a more appropriate forum.
#3 zombiegleemax Jul 06, 2004 22:11:35	I just sent off a PM to Wizo_Drake. The shutting down of recent threads is completely overboard and extremely heavy-handed. Here is what I wrote: I've said it before and I'll say it again, a board with this topic NEEDS a moderator who friggin KNOWS the setting. Erik Mona is a long time Greyhawk fan and a regular to this very board. Shutting down this topic was exceptionally short-sighted and indicative of a person who knows nothing about the setting they're moderating a discussion on. I politely demand that this topic be re-opened. It IS a Greyhawk discussion. If you had even BOTHERED to read the interview, or had known even a smidgeon of what was going on around here, you would realize that the interview is VERY Greyhawk topical. Shutting it down will only earn you enmity with the regulars to this board as it shows that you don't care a whit for their feelings or thoughts. If you can shut down a thread that is so obviously (to a Greyhawk fan or regular to the boards) ON TOPIC, then what point is there in coming to the board at all? It'd be nice to get some support from y'all on this by either posting support in this thread or a PM/email to Wizo_Drake. We have to let them know that we won't stand for arbitrary and ill-considered moderation of topical discussion. We should also petition for a moderator who actually cares about the setting and understands what is actually going on here, rather than some outsider who shuts down whatever remotely takes his fancy on a whim. And yes, it is a whim, because if he had thought about it and made an effort to understand this board and the post, he wouldn't have shut it down, so it can only be arbitrary and whimsical since no effort was made on his part.
#4 mortellan Jul 06, 2004 22:24:36	I'd be happy to sign a petition for a new Wizo. We also need a couple FAQ's for this board, the other boards have TONS of them. Without a FAQ and an accepted moderator many posters just assume to do what we like. Heck a month or so ago a few of us were discussing WotC novels on here and it took forever to shut it down. But then a new thread whose last response was made by Erik Mona himself gets shut down? There's no consistency.
#5 zombiegleemax Jul 06, 2004 22:50:22	I like Greyhawk! I'll be the mod!
#6 zombiegleemax Jul 06, 2004 23:27:07	WizO_Drake wrote on 07-07-04 04:14 PM: I will look over the interview again and make a decision based on the content. However, Erik Mona does not equal Greyhawk. He equals the editor of a magazine, and one that is no longer supported by WotC's boards. While I respect him as a guest of the boards, I'm bound by board policy. Greyhawk boards are for the discussion of Oerth, not of Erik Mona, unless it ties into Oerth. This is exactly the problem I'm talking about. You don't understand the in's and out's of Greyhawk and therefore cannot be a fair judge of a board about Greyhawk. Erik Mona IS the BE ALL and END ALL of official Greyhawk content. He is the ONLY person in the industry who has the power and the ability to publish new Greyhawk content, and as a major fan of Greyhawk (which you would know if you had talked with him at all or had read the interview), it is a Greyhawk fans last best hope to see the world remain alive as a content producing setting. Erik Mona IS Greyhawk. You cannot argue that fact and the fact is, I highly suspect he would agree with that comment. I've talked with him over several years on a few occassions and know his passion and conviction for the setting. He is almost solely responsible (on an official published level) for it being still alive and kicking despite WotC's attempts to kill it off. And as to you reviewing the interview... my god, do we now have to have a minimum Greyhawk content in every friggin post? 80% and above or it gets locked! Your post does not meet the minimum Greyhawk content quota, you are banned! That is patently and absolutely absurd. An interview with Erik Mona alone, regardless of Greyhawk content, is Greyhawk specific because to most Greyhawk fans, especially the ones who come to this board, he is our greatest friggin hero.
#7 zombiegleemax Jul 06, 2004 23:43:00	Okay, folks, that's enough. Let's not go on a "Kill the WizO" quest. Let me explain the reasoning behind recent thread closures. Dungeon thread closure - This was due to flaming, pure and simple. Closing the thread had nothing to do with the fact that it dealt with Dungeon magazine. Erik Mona Interview thread - This was closed since the thread itself wasn't saying anything about Greyhawk. Perhaps I was a bit heavy handed on closing this thread. I'll re-open it, but let's keep it on Greyhawk if we could please. Folks, it isn't my intention to be the "board nazi". In fact, I do want to promote discussion. At the same time, let's look at what we came here to discuss - Greyhawk. I'm not saying every post has to be 100% on topic, but let's try to keep it at least somewhat on topic. However, we do have to make a distinction. While Erik Mona is a big part of Greyhawk, he also functions as the editor of Dungeon magazine, which is not 100% Greyhawk. I know he's a hero to many of you and I respect that. To make a comparison, it would be unfair to go to the Dragonlance boards and discuss Tracy Hickman's new series, the Bronze Canticles. Some say he is the heart and soul of Dragonlance, yet Bronze Canticles is not Dragonlance. Likewise, Dungeon magazine does not equal Greyhawk. My rule of thumb is this - if there's any content in Dungeon or Dragon magazines or any rulebook, etc. that deals with the Greyhawk setting, it's cool. If you wish to discuss Erik Mona's involvement with Greyhawk, that's cool as well. So rather than making this thread a "Roast the WizO" thread, I'm going to close it so that it doesn't lead to a flame war. I have re-opened the Erik Mona thread and I encourage board members to ask him about his involvement in this great setting. If any of you still wish to discuss the matter further, feel free to PM either myself or WizO Paradox. --Drake