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Seeing as how Coryn used wild magic after she had passed the test, wouldnt this show that there *can* be a wizard/sorceror. At first I figured she just went through the Soulforge or whatever, but she definately used sorceror spells which is why she can't ever be the head of the Conclave.
Now some of you may say, "Yeah she cast a spell but no she refuses to ever do it again"...but that doesnt mean there can't be a wizard who did know a little bit of sorcery and use it secretely. I know what the DLCS says about all of it, and I understand this was a novel...but it does show a reference of it happening.
Any thoughts?
Originally posted by True_Blue
Now some of you may say, "Yeah she cast a spell but no she refuses to ever do it again"...but that doesnt mean there can't be a wizard who did know a little bit of sorcery and use it secretely. I know what the DLCS says about all of it, and I understand this was a novel...but it does show a reference of it happening.
Any thoughts?
She's in the midst of an epiphany, and for literary purposes she's shown as drawing on both powers. For the purposes of the game, however, as soon as she makes that final exchange her sorcerer levels would be replaced by wizard levels.
Cheers,
Cam
You also see in the novel just how incompatible High Sorcery and Wild Sorcery are. Cam's analysis is pretty dead-on in regards to what happened to Coryn.
When novels are being written, there is often a bit of literary license. Raistlin's spellcasting was not based on his character sheet. Rather, he cast spells when Weis and Hickman needed him to and was tired when they needed him to be.
Likewise, Coryn's use of wild magic at the end is literary license. This was used to help flesh out the character, as well as the WoHS in general. Coryn also is not your average spellcaster, being the chosen of Solinari. As such, her abilities go beyond the average person's.
It *may* be possible for a renegade wizard to multiclass with a sorcerer, although I would not recommend this course of action. It really isn't all that mechanically advantageous, at least compared to advancing in a single class.
For those who have taken the Test of High Sorcery, there can only ever be one choice for magic - High Sorcery.
The "Chosen of Solinari" bit... does this mean we are bringing in the FR concept of Chosen? You know, special abilities or a prestige class for each god?
Techinically wouldnt Dalamar still be head, did he ever step down?
Originally posted by ferratus
I wouldn't worry about it. Nobody in their right mind is going to multiclass as a wizard/sorcerer unless they want to seriously make a really bad build.
Lol. Tell that to the designers of the Simbul.
The "Chosen of Solinari" bit... does this mean we are bringing in the FR concept of Chosen? You know, special abilities or a prestige class for each god? [/b]
I certainly hope not. Judging from the novel, Coryn is (hopefully) just a special case, given the extreme rarity of Wizards of High Sorcery, let alone White Robes. Dalamar was described as Nuitari's favorite/chosen/pet mortal and yet he didn't come away from his encounters smelling like roses ... or display any unusual powers like Coryn. Same goes for Lunitari and Jenna.
Originally posted by Amaron Blackthorn
I dont like the new head of the White Robes, she seems like a spoiled little brat at the Conclave meeting.
Techinically wouldnt Dalamar still be head, did he ever step down?
The Head of the Conclave serves for life ... and Dalamar did die in the War of Souls. Besides that, the Orders were disbanded be Palin years before that.
Originally posted by Serena DarkMyst
I was under the impression that Coryn was NOT the head of the white robes....hmmm...will someone please submit a spoiler synopsis for this book?
I just read the book 3 days ago, she's the head of the White Robes, but not the Head of the Conclave (though she tried).
Besides, a spoiler synopsis on this novel would just light a fire under the collective skirts of WotC and oh no, result in the lock-down of this thread. Crazi nazis and their ban on novel commentaries ...
Originally posted by Amaron Blackthorn
Serve for life? That sounds like it is okay, but he never resigned and was restored to life.
... and the Orders were disbanded.
Wizards' Conclave Review
Originally posted by Dragonhelm
By the way, if anyone is interested in a review of Wizards' Conclave, check it out:
Wizards' Conclave Review
Nice review Dragonhelm.
I have to admit, I really liked Willim the Black. That crazy-eyed (er eyeless) dwarf Black Robe is definitely going to make an appearance in my campaign.
One criticism of the book, there was no reference to the fact that Jenna and Dalamar were lovers and Shalafi/Student.
Dalamar was thought dead, and so the last Head of the Conclave before it was disbanded was Palin.
Originally posted by QuentinGeorge
The Head of the Conclave serves for life ... and Dalamar did die in the War of Souls. Besides that, the Orders were disbanded be Palin years before that.
Dalamar was thought dead, and so the last Head of the Conclave before it was disbanded was Palin.
Dalamar was thought dead, and then he did die (in the War of Souls). Nevermind his betrayal of Nuitari and all the other Gods. Either way you look at it, he lost his position as Head of the Conclave ... hence the setup for the events in Wizards' Conclave.
Originally posted by Serena DarkMyst
alrighty.....plz someone pm me a basic story synopsis, just so I can understand what on Krynn is going on!!!!
Why not read Dragonhelm's review of the novel on dragonlance.com? Or are you looking for a truly skeletal outline of the novel?
Originally posted by Serena DarkMyst
truly skeletal actually......spoilers included, This is something I want to include in my game world, plays into what goes on with my players characters.......so...knowing whats going on would be fantastic
I think we're getting too close to a novel discussion here, so head on over to www.dragonlance.com's Novel and Comics forums. I think they're discussing a lot of this sort of thing there and you don't have any danger of getting the thread closed.
Cheers,
Cam
Originally posted by Serena DarkMyst
alrighty.....plz someone pm me a basic story synopsis, just so I can understand what on Krynn is going on!!!!
I only flipped through it in Forbidden Planet, so I can't really say much. But be prepared for flashes of nostalgia as everybody's favorite Silvanesti outcast performs his fabled "Dalamar Maneuver", where he dramatically tears his robes from his chest, revealing the (still bleeding) five holes burned into his torso all those years ago!!! Aaaahhh, the memories...;)
Anyway, so this still stays on topic, Par-Salian was cool.
Originally posted by Orodruin
I only flipped through it in Forbidden Planet, so I can't really say much. But be prepared for flashes of nostalgia as everybody's favorite Silvanesti outcast performs his fabled "Dalamar Maneuver", where he dramatically tears his robes from his chest, revealing the (still bleeding) five holes burned into his torso all those years ago!!! Aaaahhh, the memories...;)
You know, the "Dalamar Pose" reminds me of those anime cartoons where the guys get ready to fight, perform some nifty maneuvers, then pose.
Meanwhile, Indiana Jones is pulling out his pistol...
Originally posted by Dragonhelm
You know, the "Dalamar Pose" reminds me of those anime cartoons where the guys get ready to fight, perform some nifty maneuvers, then pose.
Meanwhile, Indiana Jones is pulling out his pistol...
And like said anime characters, I'm sure dalamar must spend a lot of time practising in front of a mirror. Just to get the angle and lighting right for maximum effect. ("See how I have suffered for my magic???" Startled gasps of awe and fear erupt from the gathered crowd...)
And on an off-topic note, I just read that the Ginju-Force in Dragonball Z was a deliberate parody of all those posing martial arts characters in Japanese t.v. shows. Dunno. Just found that amusing.
Originally posted by Orodruin
I only flipped through it in Forbidden Planet, so I can't really say much. But be prepared for flashes of nostalgia as everybody's favorite Silvanesti outcast performs his fabled "Dalamar Maneuver", where he dramatically tears his robes from his chest, revealing the (still bleeding) five holes burned into his torso all those years ago!!! Aaaahhh, the memories...;)
I bet Dalamar even buys Black Robes specifically made to tear. After all, it'd hardly be dramatic if he tried to execute the "Dalamar Maneuver" and failed to rip his own robes. ;)
EDIT: I think he does the maneuver to impress the ladies, seems like Dalamar's got a thing for the human ladies.
The only way I could see this happening is after Dragons of Summer Flame, no one knew any magic. Palin discovered it...with the Shadow Sorceror's help and I guess knew it before Dalamar. Palin was put into the head of the order.
Just was wonderin if anyone knew the exact way that this happened. Would be nice if the Towers of High Sorcery book clarified this part of history, even though I guess it isn't a huge deal.
Originally posted by True_Blue
About Dalamar, this has been talked about a little..but during the Dragons of Summer Flame novel he said that he was the Head of the Conclave. But eventually Palin ends up being the Head of the Conclave and disbands it. If the Head of the Conclave leads for life, how did this happen?
The only way I could see this happening is after Dragons of Summer Flame, no one knew any magic. Palin discovered it...with the Shadow Sorceror's help and I guess knew it before Dalamar. Palin was put into the head of the order.
Just was wonderin if anyone knew the exact way that this happened. Would be nice if the Towers of High Sorcery book clarified this part of history, even though I guess it isn't a huge deal.
Everyone knew that Dalamar was head of the conclave until he disappeared.
I do hope that the souce book of High Sorcery clarifies this.
Dalamar was Head of the Conclave from Justarius' death till Dragons of Summer Flame.
He was thought dead.
Therefore someone else (unknown) took over as Head.
Palin become head of the White robes in 8 SC, and Head of the Conclave shortly after that.