Yet another A1-4 question!

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#1

Elendur

Jul 09, 2004 16:24:55
My players are approaching the end of A3, and I noticed something odd. In A3, the high priest of the dragon cult is named Mordrammo. However in A4 his name is Stalrim Kim. What gives? Are there two high priests or was this a goof? (The modules were written by two different people.)
#2

grodog

Jul 09, 2004 18:31:45
Elendur, A4 mentions that Mordrammo is slain during hte earthquakes between A3 and A4, along with several other slave lords from A3 who are not present in A4.
#3

Elendur

Jul 12, 2004 3:45:43
You are right. Though not mentioned by name, it does say all the Slave Lords in A3 were killed in the earthquake. Since my players actually fought these lords (and lost) I find this rather unstatisfying. Nothing worse than revenge spoiled.

So I'm having at least the leader Feetla return in A4. My players managed to kill 2 lords at the end of A3, the monk and Mordrammo, so it works out that Stalman Klim has time to take over the high priesthood. Perhaps his inexperience in the role will be the reason the sacrifice to the Earth Dragon goes badly. (He skipped step 2 in the manual, "chain sacrificial victims to wall").
#4

grodog

Jul 13, 2004 0:31:30
You might also find some additional inspiration in the late-2e adventure Slavers by Sean Reynolds: he expands on the Slave Lords quite a bit in that regional sourcebook/module-ish tome.
#5

zombiegleemax

Jul 13, 2004 11:18:38
It is a great series of modules. How are your players enjoying it?
#6

Elendur

Jul 13, 2004 18:20:32
Well sometimes it's hard to see through the haze of nostalgia induced glee I am constantly surrounded in to tell if my players are having fun.

Seriously, they seem to be enjoying it. Not so much last session when they got the royal smackdown by the Slave Lords. I really wanted to end the night with them being defeated(and some obviously killed), but the dwarf's player was on the verge of a breakdown I think, so I was nice and told them they didn't have to roll up new characters. I think they view me as a pretty nice DM, and so were totally unprepared for a TPK.

I know it's harsh, and it definitely is railroading, but it will all pay off at the end of A4. Nothing beats avenging your own death.
#7

bdunn91

Jul 14, 2004 10:52:37
I'm currently running the supermodule treatment, converted for 3E. When they finally confront the Nine, I'll have a few things laying in place.


They'll run into the wall of force at the end of the corridor and have a gate slam shut behind them, one of the options discussed if you don't want the PCs to fight the Slavelords. But, one of the PCs will have a scroll of disintegrate at that time, assuming they haven't used it. I plan on planting it in the preceding module.

That way, the PCs have the option of trying to run for it or fight the Slavelords, but it will definitely delay them enough that they can reasonably be exposed to the poison gas.

One nice thing about 3E is that poisons are done in an interesting way with primary and secondary effects. I'm thinking of statting the "Smoke of the Little Death" out with a DC of 15 or 16, primary effect 1d6 non-lethal damage, secondary effect unconsciousness. This allows me to get them with 1d6 non-lethal damage per vial, a very useful thing if you want to capture the PCs alive. Not only could some of them drop from that damage if their hp are already low, but it gives them an extra buffer zone between when they drop unconscious from regular damage and death at -10 hp. And 10 rounds later, they get a 2nd save to see if they pass out. So they might be able to get a few licks in (and build up righteous satisfaction), but still succumb.

I'm trying to make it not feel too much like a railroad but still not give them much of a chance of winning while also still giving them a decent chance of not being butched by an encounter stacked highly against them.

As far as the differences between the original modules and the supermodule, I'm pretty happy with them. Some names changed (like Feetla to Eanwulf and Mordrammo's role is completely filled by Stalman Klim) but that's OK with me. I wouldn't be surprised if TSR had gotten a bit more savvy about intellectual property by the time the supermodule came out and decided to just avoid the use of a name like Mordrammo entirely, lest Marvel comics get their back up and sue.
#8

zombiegleemax

Jul 14, 2004 11:09:48
Are there any plans to update these modules to 3.5?
#9

Mortepierre

Jul 14, 2004 11:15:33
Originally posted by Amaron Blackthorn
Are there any plans to update these modules to 3.5?

WotC won't touch that issue with a 10 ft pole, I am afraid.

There are some conversions available at ENWorld, about 70% are 3.0E though.

Of course, with Erik at the helm of Dungeon, there is no telling what will happen...

After all, he was planning on an update of module S3 before they settled on WG5 for issue #112.

EDIT: Oh, and the setting described in module X1 (Isle of Dread) is getting an update to 3.5E in Dungeon #114. It's not GH but I confess it's a module I really like
#10

zombiegleemax

Jul 14, 2004 11:16:58
Which is S3?
#11

Mortepierre

Jul 14, 2004 11:20:02
Expedition to the Barrier Peaks

or .. When AD&D meets Gamma World :D

Check it here
#12

zombiegleemax

Jul 14, 2004 11:23:24
That was a great module. Isnt it part of the Realms of Horror?
#13

Mortepierre

Jul 14, 2004 11:39:52
Ravenloft? Nope

Actually, it was as far from RL as you could get.

Basically, weird monsters start plaguing the Barrier Peaks. A team of explorers go look why and find a .. crashed starship full of crazy robots, laser guns and alien monsters.

I liked the pic. The one where a Bulette is thrown out of the cargo hold along with the players was hilarious.

The one with the illithid wasn't bad either :D

Oh, and it introduced the good ol' Froghemoth to the AD&D universe
#14

cwslyclgh

Jul 14, 2004 12:21:47
Realms of Horror was not a ravenloft product, in fact IIRC it was released before ravenloft became a campaign setting... it complied S1, S2, S3, and S4 (the way GDQ1-7 Queen of the Spiders compiled the giant, drow, queen series, or that scourge of the slavelords compiled A1-4... Although I have heard that RoH linked the adventures together rather poorly).
#15

zombiegleemax

Jul 14, 2004 14:14:42
yes, the above product is what I was referring to.
#16

Mortepierre

Jul 14, 2004 16:23:55
Doh!

That old red-cover mega-module? Aye, correct, t'was part of it.

Bah! That will teach me to always check my references
#17

zombiegleemax

Jul 14, 2004 16:33:01
It was all connected to Lolth wasnt it?
#18

grodog

Jul 15, 2004 23:34:20
Originally posted by cwslyclgh
Realms of Horror was not a ravenloft product, in fact IIRC it was released before ravenloft became a campaign setting... it complied S1, S2, S3, and S4 (the way GDQ1-7 Queen of the Spiders compiled the giant, drow, queen series, or that scourge of the slavelords compiled A1-4... Although I have heard that RoH linked the adventures together rather poorly).

Unfortunately, the S3 version in S1-4 is incomplete: it contains only levels 1-4 of the 6-level spaceship. So, pick up the individual module if you're looking for the full adventure.

OTOH, S4 in S1-4 has some additions to it that are worthwhile as well....
#19

dzubak

Jul 16, 2004 13:09:38
Grodog,

What additions does the S4 LCoT have in S1-4? Very intriguing . . .
#20

grodog

Jul 21, 2004 1:39:54
Originally posted by dzubak
What additions does the S4 LCoT have in S1-4? Very intriguing . . .

There's more detail on some of the wilderness encounters, such as the naming of various NPCs who may be encountered as part of partrols, more detail in general on the blue dragon, etc. I sold my copy of S1-4 years ago, so I owe this revelation to Greytalk list member Kai Frederking.
#21

Medriev

Aug 11, 2004 16:30:31
Came in late on this one but I still have my copy of Realms of Horror (S1-4) and there is no linking material at all in this "supermodule". The individual modules themselves remain superb and classics of the setting although personally I dislike genre-crossing adventures such as S3.

If you can get a copy second hand or from one of the download sites I'd recommend it to anyone.