Did the original design team feel that the term had too much baggage?
dude, the last thing we need is a genocidal rampage on all sorcs. do you really want mass sorceror burnings and stuff?
besides the connotation is totally different.
Originally posted by talinthas
dude, the last thing we need is a genocidal rampage on all sorcs. do you really want mass sorceror burnings and stuff?
"Galeb, quick! It's dat der Palin Majere feller."
"He dat guy that done turned old Jessie into a toadstool?"
"That be the one. Grab yer pitchforks and torches. Looks like we're going to have ourselves an honest ta goodness witch-burnin'. Yee-haw!"
It is frustrating though that, in the last couple of years, the term sorcery is still used interchangable with wizardry, especially in pre-5th Age stuff.
And no, I won't touch conspiracy theories just yet.
Originally posted by silvanthalas
It is frustrating though that, in the last couple of years, the term sorcery is still used interchangable with wizardry, especially in pre-5th Age stuff.
When doing the comic adaptation of Legend of Huma, I noticed that Magius is referred to as a sorcerer quite often. Obviously, this was written well before the SAGA/5th age materials were released.
In the modern light, it is important to make the distinction, which is why I change "sorcerer" to "wizard" in the comic.
Even in Wizards' Conclave, which sets the tone of arcane magic for the modern era, Kalrakin is referred to both as a sorcerer and a wizard, even though he's a sorcerer.
As for my conspiracy theory - I blame the newts. ;)
Witchcraft in Krynn is just... well... it doesn't belong there, at all! :P Wizardy > Sorcery > Witchcraft ;)
Besides, everyone knows that newts will one day get better!
I know, I'm just rambling, but it helps kill time! :P
Well, I can see Druids as being a very good 'parallel' as far as Witches go. I could probably manage with their spell list quiet well.
The way I see it, Habbakuk, Chislev and Zeboim cover all aspects of nature. I also think you need to cover all aspects of nature to really fit the PHB druid class.
So you have Habbakuk which gives you power over the beasts of land, sea and air. You have chislev which covers plants and the earth and plants. Then you have Zeboim who covers the fury of nature's storms.
So from Habbakuk you get the shapechanging, from Chislev you get the woodsy abilities and druid secrets, and from Zeboim the ability to do stuff like open natural whoopass with stuff like "Call Lightning".
I recall once upon a time, in Dragon Magazine, a Witch Kit was presented.
Originally posted by ferratus
I'm basically having the druids as a body of worshippers who worship all 3 nature gods, to differentiate them from the clerics.
The way I see it, Habbakuk, Chislev and Zeboim cover all aspects of nature. I also think you need to cover all aspects of nature to really fit the PHB druid class.
So you have Habbakuk which gives you power over the beasts of land, sea and air. You have chislev which covers plants and the earth and plants. Then you have Zeboim who covers the fury of nature's storms.
So from Habbakuk you get the shapechanging, from Chislev you get the woodsy abilities and druid secrets, and from Zeboim the ability to do stuff like open natural whoopass with stuff like "Call Lightning".
That's a great idea. I think Chislev covers mostly what druids should be but combining all of them together works for me. The only thing I have a problem with is Zeboim being evil. I never liked the goddess of the ocean as evil, I would have preferred a place for her in the neutral patheon.
Especially in the DL context.
Towers of High Sorcery? Huh? And now there are those who call themselves sorcerers? Ah - they belong to the Orders of High Sorcery? - No, they don't necessarily? But wizards do - if they pass the Test?
You see what I mean?
And some authors (DL and FR) seemingly can't really differ between the 2 classes ... like silvanthalas says.
The 3e designers should've taken another name. Just my opinion.
By the way, there have been witch (that is wizard/mage) burning's before the 3e on Krynn. For example, they wanted to burn Raist? In the view of many common people wizardy IS a strange art, they watch wizards suspiciously. And after the Cataclysm people tended to burn wizards ... before also, remember Istar's edicts against wizards?
Once and awhile, the cattle would start dying or a child born with a birth defect or some other unexplained problem. The local people with a touch of magic (or the unpopular in the community who were accused of practicing it in secret) were dealt with.
Originally posted by Devant
Actually, with how strict the spell specialization rules were in Dragonlance I wouldn't be surprised if many of the Wizards of High Sorcery were in fact actuality Sorcerers not wizards. Most Wizards were focused into four or less schools of magic. Sure Sorcerers would never gain the abilities of Being a WoHS but for all Krynn's people they would be recognized as one.
Sorcerers tap into Krynn's wild arcane magic, not the arcane magic of the moons. Only wizards are allowed in the WoHS.
Originally posted by Dragonhelm
Sorcerers tap into Krynn's wild arcane magic, not the arcane magic of the moons. Only wizards are allowed in the WoHS.
Bare with me, I haven't read any of the Fifth Age or AoM setting. Is the difference wildly noticable between Sorcerery and Wizardry? Or, could a Sorcerer pretending to be a Wizard slip in unnoticed amongst a group of Wizards and be taken for a Wizard?
Renegade Wizards don't tap into Moon Magic either but they still are Wizards.
What would prevent a Sorcerer from taking the Test of High Sorcerery and passing?
And secondly, its comes from a different source.
Originally posted by Devant
Bare with me, I haven't read any of the Fifth Age or AoM setting.
It's cool. One of the great things about the boards is that we can learn from one another.
Is the difference wildly noticable between Sorcerery and Wizardry? Or, could a Sorcerer pretending to be a Wizard slip in unnoticed amongst a group of Wizards and be taken for a Wizard?
The difference is noticeable. The two types of magic feel different to the spellcasters. Sorcerers use innate ability to tap into Wild Sorcery, while wizards have to study and prepare spells each day.
I think, perhaps, you might not quite understand the differences in magic.
(Love this guy.)Here's the short version...
Prior to the Age of Mortals, two forms of magic were known to mortals - the arcane power of High Sorcery (moon magic) and the divine power of the gods.
When Chaos was defeated at the end of Dragons of Summer Flame, his energies were released into the world, boosting the powers of ambient magic to levels that mortals can use.
Wild Sorcery (aka primal sorcery or wild magic) is the ambient arcane energy used in creating the world of Krynn. This is the magic used by sorcerers.
Mysticism is the ambient divine magic of the world, and does not require the gods to use. Rather, one looks within to tap into this energy, which is why it is also known as the Power of the Heart.
The key thing to remember is that wizards and sorcerers both use arcane energies, but their sources are different.
Renegade Wizards don't tap into Moon Magic either but they still are Wizards.
Technically, they do tap into moon magic, but they aren't affected by the phases of the moons.
What would prevent a Sorcerer from taking the Test of High Sorcerery and passing?
A sorcerer would have to be totally dedicated to the magic of the moons. As he's tapping into Wild Sorcery, he doesn't have that dedication. Were he to go through an epiphany and swap sorcerer levels for wizard levels (see DLCS), then he'd finally be allowed to take the Test.