Question about Ambient Magic and its support from Sov Press

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#1

zombiegleemax

Jul 14, 2004 12:17:35
I see that the Towers of High Sorcery supplement is completely about the tower magic...focused magic. I am assuming that Holy Order of the Stars is going to go the same route and only deal in divine magic granted from the gods.

Can we expect sourcebooks detailing Wild Sorcery and Mysticism?
#2

zombiegleemax

Jul 14, 2004 15:20:19
Originally posted by Serena DarkMyst
I see that the Towers of High Sorcery supplement is completely about the tower magic...focused magic. I am assuming that Holy Order of the Stars is going to go the same route and only deal in divine magic granted from the gods.

Can we expect sourcebooks detailing Wild Sorcery and Mysticism?

We have talked about the idea, though right now there is nothing planned. Thanks!

Jamie Chambers
Sovereign Press, Inc.
#3

zombiegleemax

Jul 14, 2004 16:32:37
Thanks for the speedy answer Jamie !! I didnt mean to sound like I was nitpicky about it, it had just seemed to be an obvious parallel to me....and hmm....its been talked about but no plans...disappointing that there are no plans, but you guys do have an awful lot on your plates, so I can understand that. Cool Jamie, thanks!
#4

brimstone

Jul 14, 2004 16:36:41
I guess I'll be nitpicky then. :D

I'll just get this out of the way right now. I am very much looking forward to this book. Although I am disappointed in some of the apparent retcons made (from the DLCS) to one of my favorite SAGA sourcebooks...but you win some, ya lose some, I guess.

But, I am quite saddened to hear that ambient magic will not be addressed in either magic book (or that it may not even have a book at all). I think that's a disservice to the fans...and certainly counter-productive to bridging the fan gap.

It's just my opinion...and I'll just leave it at that.
#5

zombiegleemax

Jul 14, 2004 16:40:44
Although having four different books will allow for those dm's who do not wish to collect every bit of printed info to pick up that which is relevant to their campaign....for example someone who plans on running a War of the Lance era campaign will not need information on the ambient magics....

Now me on the other hand.....I want all the info I can scrape my grubby lil hands around
#6

cam_banks

Jul 14, 2004 22:16:08
Originally posted by Brimstone

But, I am quite saddened to hear that ambient magic will not be addressed in either magic book (or that it may not even have a book at all). I think that's a disservice to the fans...and certainly counter-productive to bridging the fan gap.

It's not true to say that ambient magic isn't addressed in the Towers of High Sorcery book. It would be impossible to discuss the subject without mentioning how wild magic fits into the picture, and just speaking from a rules perspective there's a great deal of material in the book which could be adapted or used as-is for sorcerer characters. Remember though, the Orders of High Sorcery have thousands of years of being in place, and the practitioners of wild magic have had about 20 years (pre-2nd Dragon War sorcerers not included). They're by necessity the primary focus of the setting's arcane product.

Cheers,
Cam
#7

zombiegleemax

Jul 15, 2004 1:28:48
Originally posted by Cam Banks
Remember though, the Orders of High Sorcery have thousands of years of being in place, and the practitioners of wild magic have had about 20 years (pre-2nd Dragon War sorcerers not included). They're by necessity the primary focus of the setting's arcane product.

Cheers,
Cam

Granted, but sorcerers still constitute the large majority of arcane spellcasters on Krynn, especially those of the generations born since the Chaos war. They deserve at least some of the spotlight, and it would be nice to see a future DL product focusing on practicioners of ambient magic.
#8

zombiegleemax

Jul 15, 2004 1:58:06
I could see perhaps one book that covered both Sorcery and Mysticism......Id be hard pressed to come up with a good working title though...but it would obviously be "Blankity Blank : A guide to Krynn's Ambient Magic
#9

zombiegleemax

Jul 15, 2004 6:13:42
Originally posted by Serena DarkMyst
I could see perhaps one book that covered both Sorcery and Mysticism......Id be hard pressed to come up with a good working title though...but it would obviously be "Blankity Blank : A guide to Krynn's Ambient Magic

The title I had come up with in my old product line proposal was Heart & Mind: A Guide to Mysticism & Sorcery. It's a book that we may still do one day, but remember that we are trying to make the majority of our primary sourcebooks era-independent. (For example, both the Bestiary of Krynn and Towers of High Sorcery can be used in almost every time period. A book of sorcery and mysticism might be a good idea, but there are a lot of groups playing "classic"-era Dragonlance--despite our best efforts to establish the present timeline with Age of Mortals and Key of Destiny.

So it's not a "no," but it's a "not right now."

Jamie Chambers
Sovereign Press, Inc.
#10

brimstone

Jul 15, 2004 8:47:27
Originally posted by jechambers
but remember that we are trying to make the majority of our primary sourcebooks era-independent.

HA! Whatever...if this were really true, then the book would not be about the Wizards of High Sorcery...the book would be about Arcane Magic. I mean...the state of the affairs for the sorcerers and mystics is just as up in the air as the wizards and clerics. Everyone's kind of starting at ground zero (what with the Academy destroyed and the mystics without a home...thanks to the Mishikites).

I mean...by that reasoning...then I suppose the book on knightly orders won't include the Legion of Steel either.

......

I'm sorry Jamie...I think I'm just in a bad mood...and the news that the 5th Age isn't going to get the same treatmeant with sourcebooks as everything else, I guess, isn't helping. I'm not trying to be negative for the sake of negativity...I hope it's not coming across that way.

I am happy that the modules are in the 5th Age, though. But, a series of modules in the 4th Age would be cool too. Something in the post Blue Lady's War time frame.
#11

zombiegleemax

Jul 15, 2004 9:37:51
Originally posted by Brimstone
HA! Whatever...if this were really true, then the book would not be about the Wizards of High Sorcery...the book would be about Arcane Magic. I mean...the state of the affairs for the sorcerers and mystics is just as up in the air as the wizards and clerics. Everyone's kind of starting at ground zero (what with the Academy destroyed and the mystics without a home...thanks to the Mishikites).

I mean...by that reasoning...then I suppose the book on knightly orders won't include the Legion of Steel either.

When we announced that the DLCS would focus primarily upon the Age of Mortals, and that the first sourcebook (Age of Mortals itself) and adventure (Key of Destiny) would also focus on the Fifth Age, there was a fair outcry from some fans who said "Why aren't you covering the War of the Lance or re-doing the original modules?" It was important to Margaret and I to establish the present of Dragonlance after the War of Souls. But we couldn't ignore the fans (our customers!), nor could we ignore the directives of our licensor (Wizards of the Coast) to create products that are more broad in spectrum.

Like it or not, the Wizards of High Sorcery are an organization that have been around since the Age of Dreams, with only a brief hiatus during the Age of Mortals. Likewise, the gods of Krynn are really important and can be used in most eras of play. And Towers of High Sorcery is a lot more catchy than Dragonlance: Arcane Magic.

That doesn't mean we'll NEVER give the Mystics and Sorcerers more material, but first we have to make sure there's enough to say to fill up a book, then find a good time in the schedule for it.

I'm sorry Jamie...I think I'm just in a bad mood...and the news that the 5th Age isn't going to get the same treatmeant with sourcebooks as everything else, I guess, isn't helping. I'm not trying to be negative for the sake of negativity...I hope it's not coming across that way.

I am happy that the modules are in the 5th Age, though. But, a series of modules in the 4th Age would be cool too. Something in the post Blue Lady's War time frame.

Fifth Age-focused products have been very good to us. Age of Mortals did better than we ever expected, and Key of Destiny is on the verge of selling out. So we will never stop supporting the current timeframe, we just want to do plenty of multi-era sourcebooks and visits to other popular periods, such as the War of the Lance.

Jamie Chambers
Sovereign Press, Inc.
#12

brimstone

Jul 15, 2004 10:00:59
Originally posted by jechambers
Fifth Age-focused products have been very good to us. Age of Mortals did better than we ever expected, and Key of Destiny is on the verge of selling out. So we will never stop supporting the current timeframe, we just want to do plenty of multi-era sourcebooks and visits to other popular periods, such as the War of the Lance.

Don't get me wrong...I'm super stoked for the War of the Lance and Legends book (although that second one isn't official yet, right...just a possibility?). Anyway...I'm looking forward to it for a couple reasons. 1) It is also one of my favorite time periods...and I don't have the original modules (only the 15th Anniversary stuff and the 2nd edition rehashed...well...crap, really, the reprinted three volume Classics were really not done very well), and 2) this book is almost as many pages as the DLCS but with...what'd you say, 250 more words per page? That's going to be a crap load of information. That will be great!

And of course any sourcebook on the the other Ages would be cool, too. Although that is definately a huge chore. I think even a sourcebook on the Age of Starbirth would be interesting...a world of dragons, lizards, bakali, dinosaurs...all reptiles. It has a certain appeal.

Anyway...I've said my peace (or is it piece?) on the other. But I wanted to comment on this as well.