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#1 zombiegleemax Jul 15, 2004 20:42:27	Can anyone point me in the direction of material describing the church of Zagyg if there ever was any such material? The Gazetter doesn't really give much information. I'd guess that the "church" isn't much of an organized church at all, but rather individual individuals worshipping him individually (clever, eh?). Anyone got any concrete, as well as ideas on the subject?
#2 zombiegleemax Jul 15, 2004 21:11:24	I'm too busy at the GreyChat to specualte much, but I would doubt there is any churches or any organized worship for that matter, devoted to Zagyg. I know of no canon (or non-canon) material regarding this issue. I'd be interested your ideas up on Canonfire if you come up with some content, ofcourse.
#3 zombiegleemax Jul 18, 2004 20:40:10	Warnes Starcoat worships Zagyg. Given the chaotic bent of his faith (and Zagyg's lack of interest in encouraging people to worship him) I don't think that any real temples exist. I had once toyed with the idea of disaffected male members of the Gynarchy of Harby possibly worshipping Zagyg. He's by far the most successful member of that matriarchial family after all. And chaotic, individualistic male spellcasters from that family would make an interesting counterpoint to the lawful (Wee Jas worshipping) Gynarchs.
#4 mcbard Jul 22, 2004 21:18:28	edit: (sorry, nevermind--failed to read original post correctly)
#5 zombiegleemax Jul 24, 2004 20:47:53	I think you'll find the answer to your query in From the Ashes: Atlas on pg 69. The Ship of Fools seems to me to be the ultimate in Zagygianism (?) A three-masted schooner crewed by grinning idiots, those adventurers who board are met by an Arch-Fool. The scope of this encounter should be great fun to DM...basically the player gets JUST what he is asking for...for better or worse. But most important, those who can't laugh at themselves are just plain humiliated!
#6 zombiegleemax Jul 24, 2004 20:49:43	I think you'll find the answer to your query in From the Ashes: Atlas on pg 69. The Ship of Fools seems to me to be the ultimate in Zagygianism (?) A three-masted schooner crewed by grinning idiots, those adventurers who board are met by an Arch-Fool. The scope of this encounter should be great fun to DM...basically the player gets JUST what he is asking for...for better or worse. But most important, those who can't laugh at themselves are just plain humiliated! "...while he is not unjust, he has his own strange logic and may test some who enter his realm to the limits."
#7 zombiegleemax Jul 25, 2004 12:52:12	In my campaign, any church of Zagyg is usually situated around a local insane asylum. The inmates are greeted with nightly visions that do little to create unity among their numbers, but do remind them of their "patron" saint. Another thought that comes to mind is that the scope of one's madness might determine the capacity for worship. Does magical insanity constitute a legitimate worship, or is an unhinged individual more worthy of membership due to a natural occuring madness?
#8 Monteblanco Jul 26, 2004 21:14:59	I cannot believe that there is a church of Zagyg in the Oerth or in any other dimension (although it could be a possibility in an insane plane). As far as I know, the before mentioned Warren Starcoat is a worshiper, as well as Yrag, as cited in The Adventure Begins. Yrag beliefs are fully justified as he was actually close to Zagyg before the latter ascended to divinity. It is quite possible that other Zagyg's close friends also worship him now. The single cleric of Zagyg I ever knew was of a fellow player character in my party. In an absurd situation set by the DM, she invoked the name of Zagyg (as a criticism to the DM lack of coherence) and tried a desperate action. After a succession of highly improbable dice rolls she became convinced of Zagyg's interference and became his cleric. Not canonic, but fun!
#9 zombiegleemax Jul 26, 2004 21:48:08	Bear in mind that Zagyg is not the god or debilitating insanity (that would be Tharizdun). All of his seeming madness had a point to it. Hence Humor and Eccentricity being his portfolios in addition to Occult Studies. It's hard to imagine Boccob having the kind of sense of humor needed to appreciate someone like Zagyg. But Zagyg's manic energy lead him to get an awful lot done. In a comparatively short lifetime he achieved fantastic heights of power perhaps greater than NPC's like Elminster over in FR. He travelled the planes and wildspace. Built Castle Greyhawk with it's multi-dimensional dungeon, as well as the Isle of the Ape. He trapped demigods and demon lords and used their power in his research. So worshippers of Zagyg are probably prone to being individualistic, a trifle zany, highly eccentric and yet remarkably clear-sighted and visionary. They are likely to be magical innovators who surprise more traditional spellcasters with improbable but impressive new spells and items. They will probably indulge in practical jokes, especially using magic. And they will probably be too chaotic to bother with an organized "religion" but rather be more like an informal clique of like-minded individuals.
#10 zombiegleemax Jul 26, 2004 22:01:08	I have to say, the Zagyg I know and luv is crazy like a fox ! And yes, I know (all too well) that insanity is not a fun thing, in a world like Oerth, Zagyg's craziness is not a truly dark thing... Zagyg is trying to convey an attitude of A taking things not very seriously in a world of tragedy, sorrow, pompous mages and stuffed-armour warlords, B leaving off the masks of pride, fear, hate, arrogance, etc. that we all wear, C having a good laugh over our many foibles and failings, and not giving up! Sure, the Z-man can be cruel, as you can see by the many traps found in Greyhawk Ruins , but then consider what was being kept at bay in the lowest levels! (by the way, Greyhawk Ruins can be had for under $5.ooUS at RPGNow.com...hell of a deal, and one of my favorite modules of all time for ANY edition ) Anyway...Have a Zagyg-y day! Joe
#11 zombiegleemax Jul 29, 2004 11:06:20	Is Zagyg the person who made the prison that was found in LOST CAVERNS OF TSJOCANTH? Have the stats ever been given for Igwilv?
#12 zombiegleemax Jul 29, 2004 11:30:59	Is Zagyg the person who made the prison that was found in LOST CAVERNS OF TSJOCANTH? I don't believe so... Have the stats ever been given for Igwilv? Partially, in Return of the Eight
#13 Mortepierre Jul 29, 2004 12:04:53	Originally posted by Amaron Blackthorn Is Zagyg the person who made the prison that was found in LOST CAVERNS OF TSJOCANTH? More likely, he made the first and then sued his colleagues for copyright violation :D Originally posted by Amaron Blackthorn Have the stats ever been given for Igwilv? Take note WizO. This really needs to be in the FAQ ;)
#14 zombiegleemax Jul 29, 2004 14:09:07	I am not sure what the last part of your post means Mortepierre. Could you please explain it to me?