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#1
zombiegleemax
Jul 16, 2004 9:42:15 In BOK in the chart of Northen Ergoth there is a creature named hulderfolk...
I searched in the forum and found that they are not included in BOK...
who exacly are they?
#2
cam_banks
Jul 16, 2004 9:45:35
Originally posted by stige
In BOK in the chart of Northen Ergoth there is a creature named hulderfolk...
I searched in the forum and found that they are not included in BOK...
who exacly are they?

The huldrefolk are a race of fey with strong elemental attachments. They didn't make it into the Bestiary but they should be included in an upcoming product.

Cheers,
Cam
#3
zombiegleemax
Jul 16, 2004 16:13:51 I take it that these huldrefolk are completely unrelated to the hulderfolk elves of Taladas.
#4
zombiegleemax
Jul 16, 2004 17:28:11 I dunno. Did the Hulderfolk elves look like little grey aliens with an attitude?
#5
zombiegleemax
Jul 16, 2004 18:45:37
Originally posted by Cam Banks
The huldrefolk are a race of fey with strong elemental attachments. They didn't make it into the Bestiary but they should be included in an upcoming product.

Cheers,
Cam

I just read about the taldas hulderfolk, and cnposner have something in his saying.

in TOD hulderfolk are described as some kind of elves that like to play dirty tricks on humans.
so...it doesnt sim very familiar to what you described.
Talads & Ansalon hulderfolk are diffrent creatures?
and if they are diffrent creaures why do they have the same name? some writer joke?
#6
iltharanos
Jul 16, 2004 20:26:51
Originally posted by stige
I just read about the taldas hulderfolk, and cnposner have something in his saying.

in TOD hulderfolk are described as some kind of elves that like to play dirty tricks on humans.
so...it doesnt sim very familiar to what you described.
Talads & Ansalon hulderfolk are diffrent creatures?
and if they are diffrent creaures why do they have the same name? some writer joke?

They're two different being with two different names:

There are the Taladas elves known as the Hulderfolk, and then there are the Ansalon fey known as the Huldrefolk.
#7
cam_banks
Jul 16, 2004 22:37:42 The huldrefolk that resemble little gray aliens and the hulderfolk elves of Taladas were created independently by writers working on Dragonlance products, taking as their inspiration the fairies of Scandinavia (or huldre). There's no actual connection between the two.

Note the difference in spelling, too. Huldrefolk (-dre) and Hulderfolk (-der).

Cheers,
Cam
#8
zombiegleemax
Jul 17, 2004 10:24:01 The huldrefolk, a highly magical race, are in the Creatures chapter of TOWERS OF HIGH SORCERY--with some cool, creepy art!

Jamie Chambers
Sovereign Press, Inc.
#9
ferratus
Jul 17, 2004 12:15:39 As long as that artwork doesn't make them look like the aliens from Steven Speilberg's series "Taken". I've always hated the Huldrefolk before because they really snapped my suspension of disbelief.

Plus, the alien look of the creatures incouraged unfortunate things in the 5th Age such as "alien extra-dimensional travellers with lost cities buried in Antarctica."
#10
zombiegleemax
Jul 17, 2004 12:47:07 arent they extremely identical to duplegangers?
#11
zombiegleemax
Jul 17, 2004 13:25:55
Originally posted by ferratus
As long as that artwork doesn't make them look like the aliens from Steven Speilberg's series "Taken". I've always hated the Huldrefolk before because they really snapped my suspension of disbelief.

Plus, the alien look of the creatures incouraged unfortunate things in the 5th Age such as "alien extra-dimensional travellers with lost cities buried in Antarctica."

We didn't want to completely ignore how the huldrefolk were described, since they were in both old game material and in Jean Rabe's Dragonlance novels. We did want to give them a new "look," however. So their appearance is a cross between the grey alien and a fey creature. I like the new look and the piece of art that goes with it.

Let us know once you see it!

Jamie Chambers
Sovereign Press, Inc.
#12
ferratus
Jul 18, 2004 0:31:11
Originally posted by jechambers
So their appearance is a cross between the grey alien and a fey creature. I like the new look and the piece of art that goes with it.

Well I don't mind the grey skin, the baldness and the small stature. Shrink the eyes and give them a nose (and perhaps some pointed ears) and I'd be happy.
#13
zombiegleemax
Jul 18, 2004 2:44:24 I dunno. I rather liked the grey alien look.
#14
zombiegleemax
Jul 18, 2004 2:53:05
Originally posted by Khaibit_Ema_Neteru
I dunno. I rather liked the grey alien look.

I agree with you.
its quite fitting to someone who change his shape regulary.
#15
zombiegleemax
Jul 18, 2004 8:45:00 Indeed, their classic look is perfect... I hope they don't change it too much... Not that I couldn't just ignore it... I mean half the creature illustrations are just plain disgusting, I swear some of the artists were just someone's 5yr old children...
#16
cam_banks
Jul 18, 2004 9:06:20
Originally posted by Apocalyp$e
Indeed, their classic look is perfect... I hope they don't change it too much... Not that I couldn't just ignore it... I mean half the creature illustrations are just plain disgusting, I swear some of the artists were just someone's 5yr old children...

It's immediately recognizable as the huldrefolk, put it that way, but it's no longer drawn by Jeff Butler.

Cheers,
Cam
#17
zombiegleemax
Jul 18, 2004 11:32:32 Don't suppose it could be made available as one of the previews?

Simon Collins
#18
zombiegleemax
Jul 18, 2004 11:50:48 Well....lets see....there are to be five previews if Im not mistaken.....so far in the previews we have gotten a location (Tower of Daltigoth), rules of an organization (Conclave's laws),
a spell (Timereaver), and a prestige class (Renegade Hunter).

Thats four alright.....so....the last one might be a monster, or an npc writeup.....lol....maybe both at the same time! But I agree that Id like to see what the huldrefolk writeup is like......so that would be a cool preview....I wonder if the book has The Live Ones in it's monster chapter.....I know the live ones are made through use of the proto creature template from BoK, but Id still like to see the critters written up......or....even better......the dead ones!
#19
shnik
Jul 18, 2004 12:10:39 They already had a preview of an NPC in the Tower of Daltigoth one, so hopefully that only leaves a creature!
#20
zombiegleemax
Jul 18, 2004 12:27:01 Alright, this might merit its own thread, but since the Live Ones were created using the proto creature template...what was the template applied to, exactly?
#21
zombiegleemax
Jul 18, 2004 13:15:48 Thats a really good question....I assume that if the live ones are in ToHS we will find out....I really dont have any guesses as far as that goes.....Being Raistlin's failed attempts at creating life I assume it could be a varied number of different things.
#22
zombiegleemax
Jul 18, 2004 16:06:43 im not sure the proto type is really fitting.
I dont like that template at all...
In m opinion a prototype could be messes up in manyways not only by rage.
I think that there is a need for some chart with many undesirble reslults, such as fear, shyness, killing everything you see, shooting firballs when the mosnter is angry (50% HP)... etc...

and the abilities thing is just funny...every prototype is getting stronger? (if ill be a wizard i will make a prototype reature in purpos)...anyway, lets say a wizard try to make a creature that is very strong, i think that more reasonalbe proto creature will be weaker.
I dont say that the proto creature is not good but i think its too strict.
#23
zombiegleemax
Jul 18, 2004 17:47:46 Well...thats just the thing....in the write up of the Proto Creature template it says that the live ones are proto creatures......thats the only reason I wouldnt argue with it.....
#24
zombiegleemax
Jul 23, 2004 5:12:16
They didn't make it into the Bestiary but they should be included in an upcoming product.

Is this the general attitude of ALL publishers ?

"We'll just send out the 'complete' book of monster, and then later we'll make another even more complete book, when we have time to make them all."

I don't think it is very funny spending $20-40 on each book, only to realize that it isn't very complete. First it was the DLCS, later added with the AoM. Then the series got bigger with the WoHS-book. Is it going to be the same with the Bestiary-book(s) ?

I liked it a much more, when the Dragonlance Adventure got published, it had all the information needed to play a complete campaign.

Sorry for the harsh words, I really like the books you published and gladly pay for them, but I still don't like feeling all my money going to some publishers pocket, and still have the feelijng that my campaign hasn't complete background information, items, monsters and the like.
#25
cam_banks
Jul 23, 2004 6:07:02
Originally posted by Esswer
Is this the general attitude of ALL publishers ?

"We'll just send out the 'complete' book of monster, and then later we'll make another even more complete book, when we have time to make them all."

Companies who publish roleplaying products have been doing this for a very long time, as they have a specific page count that they are aiming for and realize, when layout and editing is being done, that the amount of material they have for the book exceeds what they can fit into the book. Wizards of the Coast, for example, routinely trims down its final manuscript and has been known to publish what ended up on the "cutting room floor" as a free web enhancement or simply moved it to a different product. There's no conspiracy to sell you an incomplete book - the Bestiary of Krynn is as complete as it could be, even without the huldrefolk. And the huldrefolk was actually written for the Bestiary originally, not forgotten about and written later. It was determined that the Towers of High Sorcery sourcebook was a very fitting place for it.

I liked it a much more, when the Dragonlance Adventure got published, it had all the information needed to play a complete campaign.

By today's standards, Dragonlance Adventures doesn't have all the information you need to play a complete campaign. For example, its geographic information was only a couple of pages long, and there was no sample adventure included, nor was there any extensive treatment of how to run campaigns. The DLCS is essentially the 3rd edition version of what the DLA was for 1st edition, and I think it succeeded for the most part.

Sorry for the harsh words, I really like the books you published and gladly pay for them, but I still don't like feeling all my money going to some publishers pocket, and still have the feelijng that my campaign hasn't complete background information, items, monsters and the like.

There is a lot of material for Dragonlance, which has been in print for 20 years now and shows no sign of stopping. The sheer amount of continuity to check through and examine for usefulness in a roleplaying supplement can be intimidating. The fanbase is two decades old and prone to wild disagreements. There are over a hundred books, some containing a dozen short stories each, which have added to the setting. You're never going to get a "complete" product, but you can certainly enjoy the spread of options and various supplements which Sovereign Press releases. Truly, Dragonlance is getting a great deal of attention from its current caretakers.

Cheers,
Cam
#26
zombiegleemax
Jul 23, 2004 8:05:39
Originally posted by Esswer
Is this the general attitude of ALL publishers ?

"We'll just send out the 'complete' book of monster, and then later we'll make another even more complete book, when we have time to make them all."

I don't think it is very funny spending $20-40 on each book, only to realize that it isn't very complete. First it was the DLCS, later added with the AoM. Then the series got bigger with the WoHS-book. Is it going to be the same with the Bestiary-book(s) ?

We set out to make a high-quality 160-page full-color monster book for Dragonlance, and I hope we succeeded in our goal. We never intended it to be the only place that creatures would ever be listed, nor do I think most fans want us to never introduce new creatures. I would be lying if I said I didn't hope that the features included in future products won't tempt you into buying them as well--but honestly I believe that if I had the Monster Manual, the DLCS, and the Bestiary of Krynn there would be enough monsters to fill an entire campaign.

Right now there are no plans for a Bestiary of Krynn II, though I've already seen some fans out there talk about how much they would like to see such a product!

Jamie Chambers
Sovereign Press, Inc.
#27
green_cloaked_sorcerer
Jul 23, 2004 10:17:10 As a fan I think I get MORE than enough in all the D&D books mostly cause they are still adding things inother books they couldn't fit in to say the MM or the DLCS, or BoK. I think that alone proves they had stuff they wanted to add and didn't have the room for it in the previous book. Plus with how helpful Wizards, and especially Sov people are if you need stats on a creature not listed they could prob help, or you have the enormus fanbase. 20-40 bucks for these books is incredibly nice, all be it hard sometimes to come across if you are younger. I mean plus you get sooooooooo much use out of these books, not like a reg book which u pay between 6-20 or so for depending on size and cover type, and those chances are you won't read more than once or twice.

Plus RPG fans got it great compaired to TCG and CCG fans, think 5 bucks for 9 cards, not to mention they put out a new set every3 months with half of them so you CONSTANTLY have to buy more to keep up. This its 30 bucks one mont 30 bucks 3-6 months later. I would never complain about the price of books, unless somthing was really horrible in it. And Wizards and Sov have done nothing but please me and make me giddier than a school girl when I open my new book and see a new class to try out. (which by the way its my opinion Mina should have been a Favored Soul) or a new spell or hell new monsters.

Geek and proud of it,
GCS
"Sometimes I amaze even myself"
#28
zombiegleemax
Jul 23, 2004 10:42:46 Gees! Thank you Cam Banks and Jamie Chamers for those fair and just answers. I kind of expected to be brushed of as a cheap a**.
I like the Dragonlance books and setting very much and that keeps me buying the books! They are very well written and have excellent graphics. You are ,of course, doing a great job keeping us fans interested for over two decades! :bounce:
#29
raistlinrox
Jul 23, 2004 12:22:32 Also keep in mind that the publishers have to PAY people to write, edit, create artwork, and playtest these books. That's why book costs are higher than ever, but as always, if you don't want to pay for them, then don't. But even at the prices that we are paying, think of how much use you'll hopefully get out of these books. I don't get to play that much at all any more, and when I do, I DM for 1 person and I still have fun and I intend to buy the books as they come out. Think about it this way...30 bucks for a book that will get used over and over again...How much does it cost to go out bar-hopping with your friends? 50, 75 sometimes and the only thing you get out of that is possible nausea the next morning! Well and maybe some phone numbers, but that's a different story altogether!
#30
theredrobedwizard
Jul 24, 2004 8:32:00
Also keep in mind that the publishers have to PAY people to write, edit, create artwork, and playtest these books.

Ha! I would gladly do any of the italicised for free. I'll make sure to talk to them about it at GenCon.

Remember, you guys have a massively dedicated fan base to work with here, most of whom will donate a lot of time and effort to make the campaign setting awesome. Heck, I'll do it for just a mention in the credits of a product.

I just love Dragonlance that much.

-TRRW
#31
zombiegleemax
Jul 24, 2004 8:59:10
Originally posted by TheRedRobedWizard
Ha! I would gladly do any of the italicised for free. I'll make sure to talk to them about it at GenCon.

Remember, you guys have a massively dedicated fan base to work with here, most of whom will donate a lot of time and effort to make the campaign setting awesome. Heck, I'll do it for just a mention in the credits of a product.

I just love Dragonlance that much.

-TRRW

In the modern soceity people need money. :D
#32
green_cloaked_sorcerer
Jul 24, 2004 9:16:04
Originally posted by stige
In the modern soceity people need money. :D

Yea but I'm with TRRW, i'd be more than willing to play test for free. Also same with movies, you could find much better actors and look alike for parts from the fanbase, why because we have been living these roles for years in our head and well for some people just having the look. And it would be A LOT cheaper. I know the nessicity of needing money more than i ever believed i would with my work being slow and the pondering if i can eat this next week, and then a car blowing a rod. But Jamie if you need someone to play test for free call me up, you got my AOL sn just ask for my number.

GCS

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
#1 zombiegleemax Jul 16, 2004 9:42:15	In BOK in the chart of Northen Ergoth there is a creature named hulderfolk... I searched in the forum and found that they are not included in BOK... who exacly are they?
#2 cam_banks Jul 16, 2004 9:45:35	Originally posted by stige In BOK in the chart of Northen Ergoth there is a creature named hulderfolk... I searched in the forum and found that they are not included in BOK... who exacly are they? The huldrefolk are a race of fey with strong elemental attachments. They didn't make it into the Bestiary but they should be included in an upcoming product. Cheers, Cam
#3 zombiegleemax Jul 16, 2004 16:13:51	I take it that these huldrefolk are completely unrelated to the hulderfolk elves of Taladas.
#4 zombiegleemax Jul 16, 2004 17:28:11	I dunno. Did the Hulderfolk elves look like little grey aliens with an attitude?
#5 zombiegleemax Jul 16, 2004 18:45:37	Originally posted by Cam Banks The huldrefolk are a race of fey with strong elemental attachments. They didn't make it into the Bestiary but they should be included in an upcoming product. Cheers, Cam I just read about the taldas hulderfolk, and cnposner have something in his saying. in TOD hulderfolk are described as some kind of elves that like to play dirty tricks on humans. so...it doesnt sim very familiar to what you described. Talads & Ansalon hulderfolk are diffrent creatures? and if they are diffrent creaures why do they have the same name? some writer joke?
#6 iltharanos Jul 16, 2004 20:26:51	Originally posted by stige I just read about the taldas hulderfolk, and cnposner have something in his saying. in TOD hulderfolk are described as some kind of elves that like to play dirty tricks on humans. so...it doesnt sim very familiar to what you described. Talads & Ansalon hulderfolk are diffrent creatures? and if they are diffrent creaures why do they have the same name? some writer joke? They're two different being with two different names: There are the Taladas elves known as the Hulderfolk, and then there are the Ansalon fey known as the Huldrefolk.
#7 cam_banks Jul 16, 2004 22:37:42	The huldrefolk that resemble little gray aliens and the hulderfolk elves of Taladas were created independently by writers working on Dragonlance products, taking as their inspiration the fairies of Scandinavia (or huldre). There's no actual connection between the two. Note the difference in spelling, too. Huldrefolk (-dre) and Hulderfolk (-der). Cheers, Cam
#8 zombiegleemax Jul 17, 2004 10:24:01	The huldrefolk, a highly magical race, are in the Creatures chapter of TOWERS OF HIGH SORCERY--with some cool, creepy art! Jamie Chambers Sovereign Press, Inc.
#9 ferratus Jul 17, 2004 12:15:39	As long as that artwork doesn't make them look like the aliens from Steven Speilberg's series "Taken". I've always hated the Huldrefolk before because they really snapped my suspension of disbelief. Plus, the alien look of the creatures incouraged unfortunate things in the 5th Age such as "alien extra-dimensional travellers with lost cities buried in Antarctica."
#10 zombiegleemax Jul 17, 2004 12:47:07	arent they extremely identical to duplegangers?
#11 zombiegleemax Jul 17, 2004 13:25:55	Originally posted by ferratus As long as that artwork doesn't make them look like the aliens from Steven Speilberg's series "Taken". I've always hated the Huldrefolk before because they really snapped my suspension of disbelief. Plus, the alien look of the creatures incouraged unfortunate things in the 5th Age such as "alien extra-dimensional travellers with lost cities buried in Antarctica." We didn't want to completely ignore how the huldrefolk were described, since they were in both old game material and in Jean Rabe's Dragonlance novels. We did want to give them a new "look," however. So their appearance is a cross between the grey alien and a fey creature. I like the new look and the piece of art that goes with it. Let us know once you see it! Jamie Chambers Sovereign Press, Inc.
#12 ferratus Jul 18, 2004 0:31:11	Originally posted by jechambers So their appearance is a cross between the grey alien and a fey creature. I like the new look and the piece of art that goes with it. Well I don't mind the grey skin, the baldness and the small stature. Shrink the eyes and give them a nose (and perhaps some pointed ears) and I'd be happy.
#13 zombiegleemax Jul 18, 2004 2:44:24	I dunno. I rather liked the grey alien look.
#14 zombiegleemax Jul 18, 2004 2:53:05	Originally posted by Khaibit_Ema_Neteru I dunno. I rather liked the grey alien look. I agree with you. its quite fitting to someone who change his shape regulary.
#15 zombiegleemax Jul 18, 2004 8:45:00	Indeed, their classic look is perfect... I hope they don't change it too much... Not that I couldn't just ignore it... I mean half the creature illustrations are just plain disgusting, I swear some of the artists were just someone's 5yr old children...
#16 cam_banks Jul 18, 2004 9:06:20	Originally posted by Apocalyp$e Indeed, their classic look is perfect... I hope they don't change it too much... Not that I couldn't just ignore it... I mean half the creature illustrations are just plain disgusting, I swear some of the artists were just someone's 5yr old children... It's immediately recognizable as the huldrefolk, put it that way, but it's no longer drawn by Jeff Butler. Cheers, Cam
#17 zombiegleemax Jul 18, 2004 11:32:32	Don't suppose it could be made available as one of the previews? Simon Collins
#18 zombiegleemax Jul 18, 2004 11:50:48	Well....lets see....there are to be five previews if Im not mistaken.....so far in the previews we have gotten a location (Tower of Daltigoth), rules of an organization (Conclave's laws), a spell (Timereaver), and a prestige class (Renegade Hunter). Thats four alright.....so....the last one might be a monster, or an npc writeup.....lol....maybe both at the same time! But I agree that Id like to see what the huldrefolk writeup is like......so that would be a cool preview....I wonder if the book has The Live Ones in it's monster chapter.....I know the live ones are made through use of the proto creature template from BoK, but Id still like to see the critters written up......or....even better......the dead ones!
#19 shnik Jul 18, 2004 12:10:39	They already had a preview of an NPC in the Tower of Daltigoth one, so hopefully that only leaves a creature!
#20 zombiegleemax Jul 18, 2004 12:27:01	Alright, this might merit its own thread, but since the Live Ones were created using the proto creature template...what was the template applied to, exactly?
#21 zombiegleemax Jul 18, 2004 13:15:48	Thats a really good question....I assume that if the live ones are in ToHS we will find out....I really dont have any guesses as far as that goes.....Being Raistlin's failed attempts at creating life I assume it could be a varied number of different things.
#22 zombiegleemax Jul 18, 2004 16:06:43	im not sure the proto type is really fitting. I dont like that template at all... In m opinion a prototype could be messes up in manyways not only by rage. I think that there is a need for some chart with many undesirble reslults, such as fear, shyness, killing everything you see, shooting firballs when the mosnter is angry (50% HP)... etc... and the abilities thing is just funny...every prototype is getting stronger? (if ill be a wizard i will make a prototype reature in purpos)...anyway, lets say a wizard try to make a creature that is very strong, i think that more reasonalbe proto creature will be weaker. I dont say that the proto creature is not good but i think its too strict.
#23 zombiegleemax Jul 18, 2004 17:47:46	Well...thats just the thing....in the write up of the Proto Creature template it says that the live ones are proto creatures......thats the only reason I wouldnt argue with it.....
#24 zombiegleemax Jul 23, 2004 5:12:16	They didn't make it into the Bestiary but they should be included in an upcoming product. Is this the general attitude of ALL publishers ? "We'll just send out the 'complete' book of monster, and then later we'll make another even more complete book, when we have time to make them all." I don't think it is very funny spending $20-40 on each book, only to realize that it isn't very complete. First it was the DLCS, later added with the AoM. Then the series got bigger with the WoHS-book. Is it going to be the same with the Bestiary-book(s) ? I liked it a much more, when the Dragonlance Adventure got published, it had all the information needed to play a complete campaign. Sorry for the harsh words, I really like the books you published and gladly pay for them, but I still don't like feeling all my money going to some publishers pocket, and still have the feelijng that my campaign hasn't complete background information, items, monsters and the like.
#25 cam_banks Jul 23, 2004 6:07:02	Originally posted by Esswer Is this the general attitude of ALL publishers ? "We'll just send out the 'complete' book of monster, and then later we'll make another even more complete book, when we have time to make them all." Companies who publish roleplaying products have been doing this for a very long time, as they have a specific page count that they are aiming for and realize, when layout and editing is being done, that the amount of material they have for the book exceeds what they can fit into the book. Wizards of the Coast, for example, routinely trims down its final manuscript and has been known to publish what ended up on the "cutting room floor" as a free web enhancement or simply moved it to a different product. There's no conspiracy to sell you an incomplete book - the Bestiary of Krynn is as complete as it could be, even without the huldrefolk. And the huldrefolk was actually written for the Bestiary originally, not forgotten about and written later. It was determined that the Towers of High Sorcery sourcebook was a very fitting place for it. I liked it a much more, when the Dragonlance Adventure got published, it had all the information needed to play a complete campaign. By today's standards, Dragonlance Adventures doesn't have all the information you need to play a complete campaign. For example, its geographic information was only a couple of pages long, and there was no sample adventure included, nor was there any extensive treatment of how to run campaigns. The DLCS is essentially the 3rd edition version of what the DLA was for 1st edition, and I think it succeeded for the most part. Sorry for the harsh words, I really like the books you published and gladly pay for them, but I still don't like feeling all my money going to some publishers pocket, and still have the feelijng that my campaign hasn't complete background information, items, monsters and the like. There is a lot of material for Dragonlance, which has been in print for 20 years now and shows no sign of stopping. The sheer amount of continuity to check through and examine for usefulness in a roleplaying supplement can be intimidating. The fanbase is two decades old and prone to wild disagreements. There are over a hundred books, some containing a dozen short stories each, which have added to the setting. You're never going to get a "complete" product, but you can certainly enjoy the spread of options and various supplements which Sovereign Press releases. Truly, Dragonlance is getting a great deal of attention from its current caretakers. Cheers, Cam
#26 zombiegleemax Jul 23, 2004 8:05:39	Originally posted by Esswer Is this the general attitude of ALL publishers ? "We'll just send out the 'complete' book of monster, and then later we'll make another even more complete book, when we have time to make them all." I don't think it is very funny spending $20-40 on each book, only to realize that it isn't very complete. First it was the DLCS, later added with the AoM. Then the series got bigger with the WoHS-book. Is it going to be the same with the Bestiary-book(s) ? We set out to make a high-quality 160-page full-color monster book for Dragonlance, and I hope we succeeded in our goal. We never intended it to be the only place that creatures would ever be listed, nor do I think most fans want us to never introduce new creatures. I would be lying if I said I didn't hope that the features included in future products won't tempt you into buying them as well--but honestly I believe that if I had the Monster Manual, the DLCS, and the Bestiary of Krynn there would be enough monsters to fill an entire campaign. Right now there are no plans for a Bestiary of Krynn II, though I've already seen some fans out there talk about how much they would like to see such a product! Jamie Chambers Sovereign Press, Inc.
#27 green_cloaked_sorcerer Jul 23, 2004 10:17:10	As a fan I think I get MORE than enough in all the D&D books mostly cause they are still adding things inother books they couldn't fit in to say the MM or the DLCS, or BoK. I think that alone proves they had stuff they wanted to add and didn't have the room for it in the previous book. Plus with how helpful Wizards, and especially Sov people are if you need stats on a creature not listed they could prob help, or you have the enormus fanbase. 20-40 bucks for these books is incredibly nice, all be it hard sometimes to come across if you are younger. I mean plus you get sooooooooo much use out of these books, not like a reg book which u pay between 6-20 or so for depending on size and cover type, and those chances are you won't read more than once or twice. Plus RPG fans got it great compaired to TCG and CCG fans, think 5 bucks for 9 cards, not to mention they put out a new set every3 months with half of them so you CONSTANTLY have to buy more to keep up. This its 30 bucks one mont 30 bucks 3-6 months later. I would never complain about the price of books, unless somthing was really horrible in it. And Wizards and Sov have done nothing but please me and make me giddier than a school girl when I open my new book and see a new class to try out. (which by the way its my opinion Mina should have been a Favored Soul) or a new spell or hell new monsters. Geek and proud of it, GCS "Sometimes I amaze even myself"
#28 zombiegleemax Jul 23, 2004 10:42:46	Gees! Thank you Cam Banks and Jamie Chamers for those fair and just answers. I kind of expected to be brushed of as a cheap a**. I like the Dragonlance books and setting very much and that keeps me buying the books! They are very well written and have excellent graphics. You are ,of course, doing a great job keeping us fans interested for over two decades! :bounce:
#29 raistlinrox Jul 23, 2004 12:22:32	Also keep in mind that the publishers have to PAY people to write, edit, create artwork, and playtest these books. That's why book costs are higher than ever, but as always, if you don't want to pay for them, then don't. But even at the prices that we are paying, think of how much use you'll hopefully get out of these books. I don't get to play that much at all any more, and when I do, I DM for 1 person and I still have fun and I intend to buy the books as they come out. Think about it this way...30 bucks for a book that will get used over and over again...How much does it cost to go out bar-hopping with your friends? 50, 75 sometimes and the only thing you get out of that is possible nausea the next morning! Well and maybe some phone numbers, but that's a different story altogether!
#30 theredrobedwizard Jul 24, 2004 8:32:00	Also keep in mind that the publishers have to PAY people to write, edit, create artwork, and playtest these books. Ha! I would gladly do any of the italicised for free. I'll make sure to talk to them about it at GenCon. Remember, you guys have a massively dedicated fan base to work with here, most of whom will donate a lot of time and effort to make the campaign setting awesome. Heck, I'll do it for just a mention in the credits of a product. I just love Dragonlance that much. -TRRW
#31 zombiegleemax Jul 24, 2004 8:59:10	Originally posted by TheRedRobedWizard Ha! I would gladly do any of the italicised for free. I'll make sure to talk to them about it at GenCon. Remember, you guys have a massively dedicated fan base to work with here, most of whom will donate a lot of time and effort to make the campaign setting awesome. Heck, I'll do it for just a mention in the credits of a product. I just love Dragonlance that much. -TRRW In the modern soceity people need money. :D
#32 green_cloaked_sorcerer Jul 24, 2004 9:16:04	Originally posted by stige In the modern soceity people need money. :D Yea but I'm with TRRW, i'd be more than willing to play test for free. Also same with movies, you could find much better actors and look alike for parts from the fanbase, why because we have been living these roles for years in our head and well for some people just having the look. And it would be A LOT cheaper. I know the nessicity of needing money more than i ever believed i would with my work being slow and the pondering if i can eat this next week, and then a car blowing a rod. But Jamie if you need someone to play test for free call me up, you got my AOL sn just ask for my number. GCS