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What is THANE?

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#1
zombiegleemax
Jul 20, 2004 2:45:20 Translationproblem!

In my countrycomunity comes the question: what is thane. Some Fans have look and found this:

Merrian Webster :
Middle English theyn, from Old English thegn; akin to Old High German thegan thane and perhaps to Greek tiktein to bear, beget
1 : a free retainer of an Anglo-Saxon lord; especially : one resembling a feudal baron by holding lands of and performing military service for the king
2 : a Scottish feudal lord

Encyclopedia Brittannica Online: also spelled Thegn, in English history before the Norman Conquest (1066), a free retainer or lord, corresponding in its various grades to the post-Conquest baron and knight.

Englisch Lexikon: A freeman hodling land by military service and ranking between ordinary freemen and the nobles

So we come fast to the result that a thane is a lord of the manor, clanlord or a clanprince/ ruler. But by the search in english book we found in the dwarf nation follow phrases.

[quote] The Swordsheath Scroll , S. 308
"Could you be the leader of a thane?" ... "And you Talon Oakbeard? Could you be a leader of people?"
"I have no thane." Talon shrugged. "My people were always Einar or Neidar. What people would I lead?"
"The Chosen ONes," Derkin said. "They are your thane. If I pronounce you their chieftain tomorrow, do you pledge to lead them well."

... Tap Tolec who would rplace Swing Basto as chieftain of Thane Theiwar of Thorbardin... [quote]Some people say just thane is a clanlord as well the clan self . Is this right with the clan?
#2
cam_banks
Jul 20, 2004 6:08:32 It's become acceptable usage of the word "thane" to mean the leader of one of the clans of the dwarves: Hylar, Daewar, etc. I wasn't aware that the word had been used to describe the great clan itself, but if so it should probably be "thanedom". The dwarves of Dragonlance have words like this to describe their leadership because they're somewhat modelled after both the Germanic peoples of Europe in the early middle ages (Anglo-Saxons etc) and the Scots (who used the word thane as well as clan, etc).

Cheers,
Cam
#3
zombiegleemax
Jul 20, 2004 8:36:13 Sorry what is a "Thanedom"?
#4
cam_banks
Jul 20, 2004 8:41:51
Originally posted by Knight of the Lily
Sorry what is a "Thanedom"?

The thing a thane rules over, much as a kingdom is what a king rules over. Land and the people on it, more or less.

Cheers,
Cam
#5
zombiegleemax
Jul 20, 2004 8:49:40 Thx. I have think the same. But my englisch Translator and Encycolpaedia Britania dont know it. So i have ask for assurance.

Thx.

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#1 zombiegleemax Jul 20, 2004 2:45:20	Translationproblem! In my countrycomunity comes the question: what is thane. Some Fans have look and found this: Merrian Webster : Middle English theyn, from Old English thegn; akin to Old High German thegan thane and perhaps to Greek tiktein to bear, beget 1 : a free retainer of an Anglo-Saxon lord; especially : one resembling a feudal baron by holding lands of and performing military service for the king 2 : a Scottish feudal lord Encyclopedia Brittannica Online: also spelled Thegn, in English history before the Norman Conquest (1066), a free retainer or lord, corresponding in its various grades to the post-Conquest baron and knight. Englisch Lexikon: A freeman hodling land by military service and ranking between ordinary freemen and the nobles So we come fast to the result that a thane is a lord of the manor, clanlord or a clanprince/ ruler. But by the search in english book we found in the dwarf nation follow phrases. [quote] The Swordsheath Scroll , S. 308 "Could you be the leader of a thane?" ... "And you Talon Oakbeard? Could you be a leader of people?" "I have no thane." Talon shrugged. "My people were always Einar or Neidar. What people would I lead?" "The Chosen ONes," Derkin said. "They are your thane. If I pronounce you their chieftain tomorrow, do you pledge to lead them well." ... Tap Tolec who would rplace Swing Basto as chieftain of Thane Theiwar of Thorbardin... [quote]Some people say just thane is a clanlord as well the clan self . Is this right with the clan?
#2 cam_banks Jul 20, 2004 6:08:32	It's become acceptable usage of the word "thane" to mean the leader of one of the clans of the dwarves: Hylar, Daewar, etc. I wasn't aware that the word had been used to describe the great clan itself, but if so it should probably be "thanedom". The dwarves of Dragonlance have words like this to describe their leadership because they're somewhat modelled after both the Germanic peoples of Europe in the early middle ages (Anglo-Saxons etc) and the Scots (who used the word thane as well as clan, etc). Cheers, Cam
#3 zombiegleemax Jul 20, 2004 8:36:13	Sorry what is a "Thanedom"?
#4 cam_banks Jul 20, 2004 8:41:51	Originally posted by Knight of the Lily Sorry what is a "Thanedom"? The thing a thane rules over, much as a kingdom is what a king rules over. Land and the people on it, more or less. Cheers, Cam
#5 zombiegleemax Jul 20, 2004 8:49:40	Thx. I have think the same. But my englisch Translator and Encycolpaedia Britania dont know it. So i have ask for assurance. Thx.