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#1 zombiegleemax Jul 21, 2004 15:32:18	I don't have *any* of my DS stuff with me, but I do remember one brief discussion of Wyan WRT the fact that he defeated the pixies, not in open combat, but by defiling and burning away their habitat (mostly). I can't remember what source that was in though -- was it RAFOADK? Also, if anyone can point me to any other official or unofficial material on the character, that would be helpful. Thx All
#2 zombiegleemax Jul 21, 2004 15:52:56	I recall the same being said on the boards, but I have no idea if its grounded in canon. I also have never found anything on the web regarding in depth work on Wyan, though there was an old website that was going to go into the history of the city of Bodach. I can't for the life of me seem to find it so I'm assuming its long sice gone under.
#3 Pennarin Jul 21, 2004 16:26:40	Me and Nyt have the history in question, but you have to ask Nyt as to when he'll post it on his site.
#4 zombiegleemax Jul 21, 2004 16:32:51	did you go into Wyan's background in the Bodach material at all?
#5 Pennarin Jul 21, 2004 16:45:36	The City of Bodach Net Project, and the first chapters of a story on the fall of Bodach, were written by Lawkeeper Efkenu, whose site as long since gone under. We have a copy. But you have to understand that its purely fan-based material. There'sabout 10 lines in there written about an encounter between Irikos and Wyan. Nothing to get excited about.
#6 nytcrawlr Jul 21, 2004 16:46:03	Damn! Keep forgetting I have that. Problem is it's hard copy, so going to be a pain to type all that out. Maybe I can bum a scanner off someone for a day, or go in to Kinko's or something. That and I need to dig for it again. Got misplaced somewhere in the move I'm sure.
#7 dawnstealer Jul 22, 2004 12:11:07	Nyt, if you want to send it to me, I have both a scanner and I type damn fast, if need be. As far as the pixies go, they used to live in the Dead Lands, which were swalled up in lava that was apparently gated in (or a gate to the plane of magma was opened, etc) that fried the entire region. The official timeline says it thusly: Pixie Cleansing. Wyan of Bodach, 12th Champion of Rajaat obliterates the last pixie from the face of Athas. That was in FY -2629. Infuriated at her lack of progress, Rajaat turns research of the Inner Planes over to Qwith's subordinates. Shortly after, an accident of unknown origins opens a gate to the Inner Planes, and obsidian flows across the land for hundreds of miles in each direction until the gate is closed by the Seventh Tree. Thousands die in the disaster. Those killed by obsidian rise as undead through a mysterious power from the Inner Plane. Rajaat's servants arise as the rulers of this land, becoming powerful thinking undead wizards and psionicits. And that was in FY -2233. In my opinion, the timeline should be "jinked" a little bit so that the subordinates were experimenting at the same time Wyan was out cleansing, so it helped to wipe all the Fae out. That's my take, at least. It's also possible that there was little resistance left in -2629 and the flooding of lava in -2233 was simply the final blow.
#8 zombiegleemax Jul 22, 2004 12:41:51	Thanks Dawnstealer, but a question: what's the source for "the pixies used to live in the deadlands"? I'm trying to get my hands on as much of the material (canon and otherwise) on Wyan and the pixies as I can so as to minimize any contradictions. with my own stuff. Was that in the material on Bodach that got worked up?
#9 dawnstealer Jul 22, 2004 12:55:21	The Wanderer's Chronicle (from the 2nd boxed set). Basically, it states that Small Home was the last residence of smaller races. I can't remember if it's gnomes or pixies, but I'm pretty sure somewhere in that book it states that the Fae lived in that southern region or at least congregated there.
#10 zombiegleemax Jul 22, 2004 14:17:37	I'd remembered the Gnomes, but was blanking on whether Pixies were mentioned there. Yeah, the official timeline would have to be rejigged if that were the case. Anyone with a WC found it yet? Still, it would require significantly less reworking than the Dregoth Backstory Gaffe.
#11 dawnstealer Jul 22, 2004 14:37:45	Indeed. I use the timeline as a guide, adjusting it where I have to. Essentially, I can say that the timeline is an imperfect document created from hearsay and conjecture. In that way, I can pretty much use the detail and swing them anyway I want. :D
#12 nytcrawlr Jul 22, 2004 16:39:20	I think the whole "Fae being in the south" thing is better described in SotDL if I remember correctly.
#13 jon_oracle_of_athas Jul 22, 2004 16:48:42	ZAP *lightning bolts Nyt for taunting those who don't have access to SotDL*
#14 nytcrawlr Jul 22, 2004 16:51:45	Originally posted by Jon, Oracle of Athas ZAP *lightning bolts Nyt for taunting those who don't have access to SotDL* Would you rather me keep it secret and to myself? Not like I'm trying to purposefully give out false info or anything. I want the community to know this stuff, and they deserve to get their hands on the same stuff I have till we can get it out for 3.5 (something I've been working on for over half a year now, if not longer). Heh.
#15 dawnstealer Jul 22, 2004 17:40:18	Actually, I don't have access to it and I've heard that. I think it is stated in Wanderer's Chronical, although I'd have to unpack about six boxes to find it (read: it ain't happening). I might have had it fleshed out in an earlier thread, though, with some who had read Secrets of the Dead Lands. I remember things very well, I remember where that information came from not so very well.
#16 zombiegleemax Jul 22, 2004 18:03:15	ok, Nyt, I understand the constraints you're working under. It's just that I'm working on a fan supplement involving Wyan and the Pixies, and I have a concern for canon consistency. I know you can't release stuff, but is there any way you could convey the outlines at least so I can avoid needless contradictions? If there's legal problems I'd be more than happy to design a workaround.
#17 nytcrawlr Jul 22, 2004 18:33:39	Originally posted by Hiero5ant ok, Nyt, I understand the constraints you're working under. It's just that I'm working on a fan supplement involving Wyan and the Pixies, and I have a concern for canon consistency. I know you can't release stuff, but is there any way you could convey the outlines at least so I can avoid needless contradictions? If there's legal problems I'd be more than happy to design a workaround. Getting with the higher ups on this. Hopefully they will let me do an outline for you.
#18 zombiegleemax Jul 22, 2004 19:40:07	Super Duper Thanx for all the extra effort. Above and beyond, and all that...
#19 dawnstealer Jul 22, 2004 21:04:02	If you're interested, I could send you the intro story to the Cleansing Wars (one of the few portions that I'm happy with). Lot of fluff, but it might give you something to shoot from. As a heads-up, my version of the Fae differ a great deal from the giggly, smurf-with-wings.
#20 zombiegleemax Jul 22, 2004 21:38:30	Super interested. What is the canon status of the material again? And if I was interested in smurfs, I wouldn't be playing Dark Sun... The email addy I use for both spam catching and one-time senders is : [email]vze4knfn@verizon.net[/email] . Much appreciated.
#21 zombiegleemax Jul 23, 2004 2:11:53	the revised box set says (page 120-121) )that small home was a city of gnomes, but undead pixes are there too now, which means they were probably there before they all died, too. Under the dead lands entry it states "An ancient, terrible battle of the Cleansing Wars was fought at this site. In the battle, the land was slain and hundreds of thousands of beings were killed. Now undead creatures of all descriptions roam the plains and canyons of ebon glass. Most of these undead creatures are the remains of the slaughtered races, beings that no longer exist on Athas—at least not as living creatures. Strange beings with stranger names haunt the plains, wailing over the injustices they suffered and calling for revenge against Rajaat and his infernal Champions. In life they were called kobolds and ogres, orcs, lizard men, and trolls. They had names like gnomes and pixies and goblins." (this is the great thing about having all the DS amterial in PDF format )
#22 zombiegleemax Jul 23, 2004 9:58:47	Of course, it occurs to me that if consistency is what's desired, one could just as well say that the timeline is correct on both the extermination of the pixies and the creation of the dead lands. After all, there's nothing about the laws of "physics" of magical obsidian that says the undead pixies couldn't have already been dead when the disaster happened. I think that solution keeps parsimony and consistency, and no one has to fall back on the White Wolf-esque "this flat contradtiction is the result of biased parties reporting the information". WHen the characters in a novel give information, I expect it to be incomplete, biased, or just flat false. But when I buy a supplement for the DM, I'd like to think I'm not shelling out $20 for "speculative opinion".
#23 dawnstealer Jul 23, 2004 11:26:59	If you don't own the 2nd box set, I'd recommend getting it (moreso than the later add-ons: Last Sea, Wind Riders, Thri Kreen of Athas, etc). The main reason is that it keeps the details light, giving you more chance to fill in the gaps as a GM. Of course, if you don't want to get it, it's understandable: it tries to clear up some of the history gaps and inconsistencies of the previous books, but also creates some of its own. Dark Sun was never a real well-planned world - great idea, but not a lot of communication between writers, designers, etc. As far as the short story goes, it's more flavor (describes Wyan as he was in life, plus a description of the fae). Keep it under wraps as it is a small piece of a building project. I'll email it on out once I get home.
#24 zombiegleemax Jul 23, 2004 11:34:47	yeah, I own it, it just happens to be about exactly 1,000 miles from my current location, and I'm not familiar enough with the local used book stores around here to track a copy down and save all you guys from doing my homework for me...
#25 zombiegleemax Jul 23, 2004 19:50:46	yeah, I own it, it just happens to be about exactly 1,000 miles from my current location I feel your pain.