What cities do they live in? What about those two clowns north of Draj? Who was succesful? Do have a favorite?
Thank you to anyone who takes the time to post.
As far as my fave? Probably Dregoth.
Oh yeah, what exactly do you mean by "Who was successfull?"
One of this templars travelled with the party for the longest time but she later switched to become a templar of Oronis.
Originally posted by NytCrawlr
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As far as my fave? Probably Dregoth.
Heh, same here.
My problem, is that I actually haven't played an actual game of DS since I was like 13 or 14 and that was back when the game was invented. Now all these later, I have read the books (almost all the books) and would love to DM a campaign. Unfortunatly, my old AD&D posse is all grown up
I must say, right now I like Hamanu b/c of the book. It is the only king that I have delved into or Kalak or the Shadow King. They have the most stuff written about them. I found the Balic King to be a bit of a clown and well.
By succesful, I meant, did they all dominate their Cleansing Battles? Well except for Aleron (sp) Boris and Dregoth.
Will they ever write anymore DS novels? I sometimes read the fan fiction on the net, but it isn't the same. I read a couple good ones. One was about this crazy Defiler who hunts a dragon and the other was about a Caravan capt. Good stuff... sorry I ramble...
Thanks for the comments.
i see Hamanu aced a couple Champions. Does anyone know the story of why he killed Kalid-Ma? and Seilba?
And Abalch-Re killed Dregoth? Did she trick him? I thought Dregoth was one of the more powerful SKs like Boris, Hamanu or Gallard?
I remember earlier on another thread people were saying its a shame there are so few SKs in the game now. I must agree, the SKs are what made Dark Sun and now so many are dead.
And Abalch-Re killed Dregoth? Did she trick him? I thought Dregoth was one of the more powerful SKs like Boris, Hamanu or Gallard?
It was a combined effort on the part of most if not all of the SKs, but Abalach-Re was said to have been the 'leader' in this single instance. Its not always a matter of levels or D&D based statistics. Technically, Dergoth could wipe the floor with The Hoe Queen without breaking much of a sweat. Perhaps it was trickery, deceit, or cunning rather than raw power. I don't have any books with me, so perhaps there is something in canon that supports, contradicts, or details this a little better.
I remember earlier on another thread people were saying its a shame there are so few SKs in the game now. I must agree, the SKs are what made Dark Sun and now so many are dead.
Its a two sided coin. On one hand, its a case of nostalgia of the original, lightly detailed DS box set and all its flavorful yummie-ness. But it was pretty static in that regard. "Oh, its another city, ruled by yet another SK. He's another diabolical tyrant, just like the last five we've come across, right?" I would hear this, or something similar to it more times than I would care to remember. Even though the individual cities were nicely detailed and unique in culture, they were still all pretty much the same. There wasn't alot of overall variety, which didn't really seem so bad at the time, but in hindsight, it was very limiting (in coming up with creative adventures). Its certainly no shame to me without the few SKs who died since its opened up avenues of adventures that I probably wouldn't have been able to come up with before. And I've yet to hear a newly introduced DS player have the same problems keeping track of the city-states or their respective rulers, they're different enough from one another in general. While I can't say I like how each of them has turned out, they still work out quite well at the game table, where it counts the most.
YOu know what when/if I ever conquer africa, we should turn the sahara into our own athas
And Abalch-Re killed Dregoth?
Its beleived that she orchestrated the betrayal of Dregoth and rounded up the other SK's to help.
In Dregoth's final moments Re dug her claws into his throat saying "you've become to powerful for OUR own good" or something along those lines. Basically gloating to the Dread King just before he died.
Just part of the reason why Dregoth hold a grudge against her.
In my opinion, the GMs who have PCs that regularly meet, or butt heads with, the SKs are doing something wrong. The SKs should have their own personalities, but those personalities should be ingrained and reflected in their cities. They should be mysterious, dangerous, and frighteningly powerful. After 4-6,000 years, their interest in mortals is very small, and they would not likely "come down to that level" to talk to a few rebellious "adventurers." If the players hit 20th level or so, sure, they might get an audience. Before then, they simply are not important enough to worry about.
I only partly agree with this. I don't feel that a SK should be inviting the characters to brunch every Sunday, but would meet them once or twice especially if the party brings attention to themselves.
As I stated before, my party didn't start interacting with Nibnay on a sort of regular basis untill the events from Marauders Nibnay Adventure played out. A short time later the Shadow King summoned the characters. Charging them with the task of going to the northern lands to find allies in the war against Dregoth.
SKs used in a similar way is expectable IMO, but I feel that they would never be "chummy" with the party (except for maybe Oronis).
Originally posted by Dragi
i see Hamanu aced a couple Champions. Does anyone know the story of why he killed Kalid-Ma? and Seilba?
The books only say that Sielba mustered her army and attacked Urik. Hamanu slaughtered her army, killed her himself and razed the town to the ground. With those riches, he bribed Borys (because the dragon would have one less city to draw slaves from), and Borys used the wealth to build Ur-Draxa.
Kalid-Ma was about to transform into a full-blown dragon in one strike (that's where Kalak got the idea), and when Kalak's spies noticed that, Kalak warned Borys, and together with Hamanu they went down to Kalidnay to kill Kalid-Ma.
Originally posted by columbob
The books only say that Sielba mustered her army and attacked Urik. Hamanu slaughtered her army, killed her himself and razed the town to the ground. With those riches, he bribed Borys (because the dragon would have one less city to draw slaves from), and Borys used the wealth to build Ur-Draxa.
In Black Flames it says Sielba and the Merchant houses of Yaramuke were going to ruin Urik with high prices and trade embargoes so they could gain control of the obsidian mines in the Smoking Crown.
Kalid-Ma was about to transform into a full-blown dragon in one strike (that's where Kalak got the idea), and when Kalak's spies noticed that, Kalak warned Borys, and together with Hamanu they went down to Kalidnay to kill Kalid-Ma.
I've seen that one, too, but can't pin it down...where did you read it, columbob?
In my opinion, the GMs who have PCs that regularly meet, or butt heads with, the SKs are doing something wrong
Haha, don't take me so literaly. With the exception of Draskinor (who's paranoia of outsiders in his city, in my eyes, perfectly justifies him taking more direct interest in any group of PCs wandering about his city), few parties I've run have ever actually met a champion, and none have ever actually challenged one of the SKs directly. But the PCs regularly found themselves caught up in the many plots and plans of the SKs. Even then, they were rarely in a position to actually thwart those plans if they had wanted to; woe to them should they have actually tried to.
few parties I've run have ever actually met a champion, and none have ever actually challenged one of the SKs directly.
Closest the party has come to fighting SK was when the PC's in my old 2e campaign were thrown back in time at the begining of the Cleansing Wars. They tried to stop Dregoth (a then low level dragon) from slaying Taraskir. They barely scratched him before he threw a "time stop" which allowed him ample time to finish of the Lion King.
Originally posted by Ablamar
[b]In Black Flames it says Sielba and the Merchant houses of Yaramuke were going to ruin Urik with high prices and trade embargoes so they could gain control of the obsidian mines in the Smoking Crown.
I've seen that one, too, but can't pin it down...where did you read it, columbob?
I think that's in the Official DS timeline, which is available on a few DS web sites.
Originally posted by Dawnstealer
In my opinion, the GMs who have PCs that regularly meet, or butt heads with, the SKs are doing something wrong. The SKs should have their own personalities, but those personalities should be ingrained and reflected in their cities. They should be mysterious, dangerous, and frighteningly powerful. After 4-6,000 years, their interest in mortals is very small, and they would not likely "come down to that level" to talk to a few rebellious "adventurers." If the players hit 20th level or so, sure, they might get an audience. Before then, they simply are not important enough to worry about.
I have 2 exceptions to this rule:
1. a group of Adventurers under the employ of a Sorcerer-King, could potentially meet that Sorcerer-King a bit more frequently than those that don't. I do love to run those "evil" campaigns that so few DM's seem to like...
2. It's a great way to wipe the slate clean, and start over with a fresh adventuring group. Especially since, basically, adventuring parties end up very dead when they encounter any of the remaining Sorcerer-Kings and try to butt heads.
a group of Adventurers under the employ of a Sorcerer-King, could potentially meet that Sorcerer-King a bit more frequently than those that don't. I do love to run those "evil" campaigns that so few DM's seem to like...
Which I pretty much did with Nibnay in my campaign but the character weren't evil. Hows the saying go "The enemy of my enemy is my ally"?
Baaaaaaaaaad idea.