Draconian Ages?

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#1

Sysane

Aug 03, 2004 10:35:30
Quick question guys. Trying to help one of my players with their Draconian character's history. I don't have my books with me at work. Whats the starting, age effects, max age catagories for a Kapak Draconian?

Any help would be appreciated.
#2

Sysane

Aug 03, 2004 10:54:57
Or if this can't be given out thru the board due to the open gaming license the starting age will due.

Thanks.
#3

dea_ex_machina

Aug 03, 2004 11:15:21
*looks at her DCS* There are ages!?! I always figured the age was 1, seeing how they hatched from the Dragon egg and were ready for a fight, and their life span as long or as their dragon variety, though of course most would die in combat beforehand.

*still looking*...I don't see ages...where is Cam when you need him...
#4

Sysane

Aug 03, 2004 11:22:52
I'd assume they would be older than 1. They wouldn't be full grown from straight from the egg. I could see they having an exellerated groth span though.

I'd assume they were longer lived due to their draconic nature. I'm just trying to figure out in my players Kapak would have been around the time of the War of the Lance and not be suffering from old age effects in the AoM setting.
#5

dea_ex_machina

Aug 03, 2004 11:54:14
Well lets see, the draconians are first created in 342 AC. The War of the Lance is in 348 AC. So he should be 6 years or younger. The Age of Mortals starts in 384, and after the War of Souls is 420. Now that should make him probably around 70 years in age I'd say, not too old. Kang the Governer of Teyr lived through the War of Lance and is still a rather strong draconian.
#6

kipper_snifferdoo_02

Aug 03, 2004 11:55:03
Originally posted by Dea ex Machina
*looks at her DCS* There are ages!?! I always figured the age was 1, seeing how they hatched from the Dragon egg and were ready for a fight, and their life span as long or as their dragon variety, though of course most would die in combat beforehand.

*still looking*...I don't see ages...where is Cam when you need him...

Well I'm not Cam, ;) but the starting Age for a Kapak is 5 years plus (1d4 Brb, Rog, Mar, Nob, Rng) (1d6 Mys, Sor, Mnk, Wiz) (2d6 Brd, Ftr, Clr, Drd)

Found in the DL DM Screen booklet.

Edit: And Middle Age sets in at 175 years.
#7

Sysane

Aug 03, 2004 11:59:09
Well lets see, the draconians are first created in 342 AC. The War of the Lance is in 348 AC. So he should be 6 years or younger. The Age of Mortals starts in 384, and after the War of Souls is 420. Now that should make him probably around 70 years in age I'd say, not too old. Kang the Governer of Teyr lived through the War of Lance and is still a rather strong draconian.

That was along my lines of thinking as well. Just wish I knew their aging effects. What yr did Kang find the female draconian eggs?

Well I'm not Cam, but the starting Age for a Kapak is 5 years plus (1d4 Brb, Rog, Mar, Nob, Rng) (1d6 Mys, Sor, Mnk, Wiz) (2d6 Brd, Ftr, Clr, Drd)

Do they mention the aging effects and catagories in that booklet as well?
#8

dea_ex_machina

Aug 03, 2004 12:05:19
It dosn't state the exact year, it instead states that he found it during the Chaos War which would make it...383 AC, or 0 SC.
#9

Sysane

Aug 03, 2004 12:11:36
So its basically improbable that any PC draconian would be the offspring of the female and male draconians? That would also make the females no more than a yr old themselves which posses another issue entirely...
#10

dea_ex_machina

Aug 03, 2004 12:17:38
Correct, there are as of yet only a few draconian children and really depends on if you are playing after the War of Souls if you actualy could have someone being an offspring. If it is at the onset of the Age of Mortals then you wouldn't have any offspring at all. He would have to be of the First of Second Generation of draconians, the First being like Kang and who many of which are still rooted in their evil ways, the Second are more neutral yet still hate the elves.

Everyone hates the elves. ;p
#11

Sysane

Aug 03, 2004 12:23:14
Second Generation of draconians, the First being like Kang and who many of which are still rooted in their evil ways, the Second are more neutral yet still hate the elves.

Do you know when or where abouts the second Gen of Draconians were created/hatched?
#12

dragontooth

Aug 03, 2004 12:52:52
2nd generation, and all the ones afterward will be from Teyr
#13

kipper_snifferdoo_02

Aug 03, 2004 12:54:48
Originally posted by Sysane
Do you know when or where abouts the second Gen of Draconians were created/hatched?

The second generation would have been born in the city of Teyr. It's located up near Nordmaar's southern border east of the Astivar mountains.
#14

Sysane

Aug 03, 2004 13:04:31
Kang was born in Teyr? I thought the second gen (and Kang among them) were still under the control of the Dragon Armies when they were hatched?

Also about what year was the 2nd gen created.

Thanks for the info guys.
#15

cam_banks

Aug 03, 2004 13:46:17
I was pretty sure Kang was a first generation draconian, from the time of the War of the Lance. Wasn't he?

Cheers,
Cam
#16

Sysane

Aug 03, 2004 13:52:51
Thats what I thought too. I'm so confused

Are there a second gen of draconian? If so when were they hatched used in the War. Are the young from the female and male Drac's considered the 2nd and all other before them were the 1st?
#17

kipper_snifferdoo_02

Aug 03, 2004 14:03:26
Ok here we go.

Kang was created/hatched during the War of the Lance (circa 342 AC)

Kang leads his group of draconians to their draconian settlement sometime prior to the Chaos War.

As the Chaos War Begins they find female draconian eggs (circa 383 AC)

384 AC The females are hatched and still young, they won't be entirely mature for a few more years.

385 AC They find Teyr and establish it as their new draconian settlement. Over the next couple years the females grow up.

So about 390-395 we can probably see a "Second Generation" of draconians.

So by 421 AC the "Second Generation" of draconians would be about around 25 years old. Which seems more than old enough to me to start adventuring...
#18

Sysane

Aug 03, 2004 14:09:05
Okay with that being said. Then we can assume that all draconian characters in the AoM setting are around 70 yrs of age and and not between the ages of 8-12 as stated in the DL DM Screen Booklet?

That makes things clearer. Thanks
#19

kipper_snifferdoo_02

Aug 03, 2004 14:17:00
Originally posted by Sysane
Okay with that being said. Then we can assume that all draconian characters in the AoM setting are around 70 yrs of age and and not between the ages of 8-12 as stated in the DL DM Screen Booklet?

That makes things clearer. Thanks

Well, if you want a draconian to start at 70 that's fine. There is'nt any rule against it. I don't think the starting age says you MUST start at this age. I think it's a "typical adventuers of this race and class usually start around this age..." So 70 for a first generation draconian would be fine I suppose. :D But you would think in 70 years he might have picked up some experince in one class or another...
#20

iltharanos

Aug 03, 2004 14:22:16
Originally posted by Sysane
Okay with that being said. Then we can assume that all draconian characters in the AoM setting are around 70 yrs of age and and not between the ages of 8-12 as stated in the DL DM Screen Booklet?

That makes things clearer. Thanks

Um, no. Given the fact that draconians reach adulthood at 5 years of age there are likely multiple draconian generations by now.

384 AC: female eggs hatch.
389 AC: first draconian females reach adulthood. Presumably some breed and produce offspring (the 2nd generation).
394 AC: 2nd generation reaches adulthood and breed, producing the 3rd generation, who breed when they reach adulthood, etc. etc.

From 389 AC onwards, there could conceivably be draconians born every year till we reach the present date (422 AC). So as far as starting Draconian PC ages, the numbers presented in the Dragonlance DM Screen Booklet are correct.

As for the distribution of Draconian age groups, you'd have one group of draconians (the original War of the Lance batch) that would be roughly 80 years of age now, with all other draconians being 38 years old or younger.
#21

Sysane

Aug 03, 2004 14:24:33
I hear what your saying beleive me. But technically they would be around that age. There were no other new batches of draconians made other than the first (and the nobles later on).

The current time line of AoM would make it imposible to have any draconian above the age of 1. So it only makes sense that PC Drac's would be older than most other PC characters other than drwaves and elves.
#22

iltharanos

Aug 03, 2004 14:29:29
Originally posted by Sysane


The current time line of AoM would make it imposible to have any draconian above the age of 1.

What?!?

That statement makes no sense at all ...
#23

Sysane

Aug 03, 2004 14:34:10
with all other draconians being 38 years old or younger.

Okay I got my current AoM yr date confused, my bad. Which batch of Drac's would be 38? We're they deployed by the Dragon Armies?
#24

Sysane

Aug 03, 2004 14:44:23
That statement makes no sense at all ...

I got my current date of the AoM confused. I though the campaign date was 384 not 422. My bad.
#25

iltharanos

Aug 03, 2004 15:57:10
Originally posted by Sysane
I got my current date of the AoM confused. I though the campaign date was 384 not 422. My bad.

Ahh. I see.

Which batch of Drac's would be 38? We're they deployed by the Dragon Armies?

The first females that hatched from the preserved eggs would be 38 years old now, hence the newer generation draconians would all be younger than this. If you wanted an older draconian, then he'd have to be around 80 years old and would have been one of the draconians first hatched for the War of the Lance.
#26

true_blue

Aug 03, 2004 16:05:50
You have to watch out how you are going to do the breeding of draconians. If you go with Iltharanos's reasoning, that means they are breeding fast. And there isn't any factors of why their population would thin out. And since they live to be about 500 years, they will eventually overpopulate Ansalon.

You might want to make them where they rarely breed, since we actually know nothing about how long it takes for them to breed or lay eggs, whatever. The first ones sprang full grown from dragon eggs, but breeding may be a little different.

Remember 500 years is a long time, and if you have them breeding like rabbits they will become the dominate race in no time. I almost would suggest knocking down how long they live. I would almost like to go with half that number, 250 seems reasonable enough and pretty long. But everyone does what they want.
#27

zombiegleemax

Aug 03, 2004 19:56:50
This discussion begs that other questions be asked as well. Do created (ie pre Chaos War) dracs have a breeding cycle like their progenerators or like humans and other mortals can they breed at will? Following that train of thought, do their (draconians) offspring grow at the accelerated rate they did or was that merely a part of the foul magic that created them? If they are able to breed at will and have the accelerated growth rate they would as stated earlier, overrun Ansalon, or die out as a race due to lack of space and nurishment being confined to Teyr. Remember a population can only grow as large as it's food supply before it will be reduced and/or possibly die.