Takhisis - Queen of the Dragons - I wouldn't divide them among the gods as they were in the WoS appendix. I would just leave them as Takhisis' monsters, and have her cult laden with draconic imagery.
Sargonnas - Lord of all Demons - I've always seen Sargonnas as a better fit than Hiddukel. Sargonnas is a god of vengence, explosive power, and right makes right. The ravening hordes of the Abyss serve him better.
Hiddukel - Lord of all Devils - However, the Faustian deals and deceit of Hiddukel fits Devils very well. After all, that is why his name is based off "Duke of Hell" isn't it?
Chemosh - Lord of the Undead - Pretty self explanitory. The undead are his to command. A little problematic given that Necromancy is a wizard school, but I imagine Nuitari doesn't mind sharing and working with other evil dieties. I mean, he bargains with Hiddukel for imps to serve as familiars to his mages right? Lichdom is probably a renegade offense though.
Nuitari - Lord of Black Magic - Magical beasts, abberations and non devilish or demonic outsiders are his. Beholders, Gricks, Grells, Shadow Mastiffs, etc.
Zeboim - Queen of Storms - She is where the pattern breaks down. I want to say "Evil Fey" but she is rife with sea imagery rather than nature imagery in general. So we have marine monsters, water elementals, and some water-based fey. Not satisfying though, since there is no monster category that can be tied to her specifically.
Morgion - The Slaadi are the best fit for Morgion, given that they breed through parasitical infestation.
Okay, I'm taking too much time, so just a list of the rest.
Paladine - King of the Dragons - The metallic dragons are his to command.
Majere - Insectile creatures, a good excuse to bring back the creatures of clockwork Nirvana in the old planescape days.
Mishakal - Lady of the Angels
Kiri-Jolith - Lord of the Archons - He is much a guardian god, and all about the smiting. Archons seemed to fit him best.
Habbakuk - Good Magical Beasts
Branchala - Good Fey - Given their enchantment abilities, a pretty safe bet here.
Solinari - Lord of Good Magic - Non angelic or archon good outsiders, but not much else.
Chislev - Plant creatures, earth elemental creatures
Sirrion - Fire elemental creatures
Reorx - Constructs
Lunitari - Neutral outsiders
Gilean - ?
Zivilyn - ?
Shinare - ?
Anyway, thoughts on filling in the last three?
Otherwise the inhabitants of Mechanus (Inevitables and Modrons)?
Originally posted by ferratus
Takhisis - Queen of the Dragons - I wouldn't divide them among the gods as they were in the WoS appendix. I would just leave them as Takhisis' monsters, and have her cult laden with draconic imagery.
Agreed, actually.
Hiddukel - Lord of all Devils - However, the Faustian deals and deceit of Hiddukel fits Devils very well. After all, that is why his name is based off "Duke of Hell" isn't it?
Actually, the name predates the Dukes of Hell, according to Jeff Grubb. Still, you're right; devils and yugoloths fit the Hoarder of Souls better.
Chemosh - Lord of the Undead - Pretty self explanitory. The undead are his to command. A little problematic given that Necromancy is a wizard school, but I imagine Nuitari doesn't mind sharing and working with other evil dieties. I mean, he bargains with Hiddukel for imps to serve as familiars to his mages right? Lichdom is probably a renegade offense though.
Actually, lichdom is a joint Nuitari/Chemosh product. Chemosh gets the extra undead liches invariably produce; Nuitari gets a long-lived Black Mage.
Zeboim - Queen of Storms - She is where the pattern breaks down. I want to say "Evil Fey" but she is rife with sea imagery rather than nature imagery in general. So we have marine monsters, water elementals, and some water-based fey. Not satisfying though, since there is no monster category that can be tied to her specifically.
The original DL material gives her the sea undead, rather than Chemosh. I'd suggest any Evil creature with the 'Aquatic' or 'Water' descriptors.
Morgion - The Slaadi are the best fit for Morgion, given that they breed through parasitical infestation.
Yes, but that's the only thing they have going for them as servants of the Cowled One; chaotic marauding frog-folk don't strike me as his type. I'd give Morgion a cross-section of other creatures; I've always thought of him as the embittered outcast of the Evil gods, and the patron of envy and resentment, so that actually works.
Branchala - Good Fey - Given their enchantment abilities, a pretty safe bet here.
Also the eladrin.
Chislev - Plant creatures, earth elemental creatures
Actually, I'd give the Earth Elementals to Reorx . . .
Reorx - Constructs
. . . and consider giving the constructs to Shinare in honor of her creation myth.
Zivilyn - ?
Neutral Fey.
Matthew L. Martin
Originally posted by Matthew L. Martin
Actually, the name predates the Dukes of Hell, according to Jeff Grubb. Still, you're right; devils and yugoloths fit the Hoarder of Souls better.
Hiddukel is chaotic evil. Devils are lawful evil. This is why he's the prince of demons and not the lord of devils.
Yes, but that's the only thing they have going for them as servants of the Cowled One; chaotic marauding frog-folk don't strike me as his type. I'd give Morgion a cross-section of other creatures; I've always thought of him as the embittered outcast of the Evil gods, and the patron of envy and resentment, so that actually works.
Slaadi aren't evil. They also aren't prone to serving deities or anything much, as they're essentially chaotic to the core. Morgion is neutral evil - he's evil to the core. Evil, diseased, and reclusive. I would have made him the patron of yugoloths if they'd been a core fiend race.
Overall, I rather like the associations present in the DM's Screen booklet, but then I'm biased.
Cheers,
Cam
Besides, If Hiddukel has any alignment, its Neutral Evil. He is the embodiment of greed, lies and selfishness. How is that Chaotic Evil? Is there a reason?
Since we are already not using the great wheel cosmology, we're going to have to bend to bend alignments of the extraplanar creatures to fit god's portfolio's anyway.
However, I'm going to do a flip-flop on the whole demons/devils thing. See I was being influenced by memories of Planescape than the 3e Monstrous Manual. In the Monstrous Manual for example we have on the demon's side the Succubus (tempts with lust), the Glabrezu (tempts with power), Hezrou (tempts mortals to ruin, presumably through greed). On the Devil's side though, they just describe them as fighting machines. So I guess Hiddukel as the Lord of the Demons and Sargonnas as Lord of the Devils works after all.
So we got for the gods of evil:
Takhisis (Dragons)
Chemosh (Undead)
Sargonnas (Devils)
Hiddukel (Demons)
Nuitari (Aberrations)
Morgion (Oozes, Molds, and Vermin)
Zeboim (Sea Monsters) - I think I was overthinking Zeboim. The term "Sea Monsters" would allow us to group together Kraken, Merrow, Sahuagin and such together, while avoiding the pretty sea creatures like selkies, sea elves, tritons and merfolk. Leaves the door open for evil members of those races to worship her though.
I would actually give the Eladrin to Habbakuk actually, rather than Branchala. They descriptions of the Eladrin are much closer to how Habbakuk is described, as a knight or ranger.
So for good...
Paladine (Dragons)
Mishakal (Angels)
Kiri-Jolith (Archons)
Habbakuk (Eladrin)
Branchala (Fey)
Majere (?)
Solinari (?)
and the Neutral...
Gilean (?)
Sirrion (fire elementals)
Reorx (Constructs) - Sorry Matt, he is the God of Tinker Gnomes
Shinare (?)
Lunitari (?)
Chislev (plant creatures)
Zivilyn - We need creatures concerned with prophecy, wisdom and foresight. Neutral Fey don't really work, but I wonder if the Inevitables would. After all, they are about fatalism... is Zivilyn fatalistic? Does he try to influence the future or see if it turns out as it should?
So the good and neutral pantheons still need filling out. I think my focus has shifted too. Rather than trying to group all the monsters and categorize them under a diety, we should find a type of monster that best represents that diety and his portfolio.
Originally posted by talinthas
i think you're gonna want to add lust to chemosh's portfolio =)
Why? He's never shown interest in anything remotely lusty.
However, I would associate Guardinials with Habbakuk, seeing as he is the lord of beasts and these are beastial celestials.
Originally posted by Daedavias
However, I would associate Guardinials with Habbakuk, seeing as he is the lord of beasts and these are beastial celestials.
Again, this was all spelled out in the outsiders section of the DM's Screen booklet. All outsiders and outsider types have their divine patrons or are independents, corresponding primarily to alignment and spheres of influence.
Cheers,
Cam
Originally posted by Daedavias
I think ferratus hit it on the nose, for the most part.
However, I would associate Guardinials with Habbakuk, seeing as he is the lord of beasts and these are beastial celestials.
Ooh, I forgot about the Guardinials. Okay, then we can associate the knight-elf guardinals with Branchala, which would make Matt correct.
As for Inevitables... would they perhaps make even better emissaries for the Lunar dieties as a whole? After all, they are the ones all concerned with people going renegade. Inevitables just seem to suit their style.
As for Morgion, I think I'll make a new choir of infernals in which the Night Hags are a part. What infernal name to give them though? Toxarchs? Pestari? Shedim? I wonder if demonic possession would be a Morgion trick.