If yes, where does the soul of Takhisis go now that she is dead? And above all else, could Mina ressurect Takhisis?
But, we can't be wholly certain of any of this.
Cheers,
Cam
Originally posted by Cam Banks
I've often considered that perhaps souls and gods are the same kind of thing, only the gods are vastly more potent and capable, and mortal souls are bound and limited. It's a theory. It would mean that, stripped of their power, Paladine and Takhisis became mortal souls shrouded in physical bodies, and therefore capable of being killed. When killed, their new souls passed on.
But, we can't be wholly certain of any of this.
Cheers,
Cam
Paladine/Valthonis hints very strongly at the end of Vanished Moon that one day he will die and his soul will join the souls that progress to the next world. So there is definitely some indirect evidence!
Jamie Chambers
Sovereign Press, Inc.
Presumably they have souls and are part of the Progression of Souls now. However, it is also true that the gods could bar a mortal from being ressurected by any means (including Mysticism).
I disagree that they can bar Mystical magic. The the gods have about as much control over that as they do Sorcery. If you meant that they can bar a soul from returing from it's next life, I'll agree with you there. I'm sure there's ways around that though, keep the god's occupied elsewhere they grab it via mystical means, like Takhisis did when she stole the world. Of course you'd have to cause something to happen that would threaten all the gods of where that sould is being held, in order to distract them all.
The fact that Mystics don't needs gods to grant them spells should not be taken to mean that Mystics are more powerful than gods or can ignore godly powers.
It's also worth pointing out that Palin no longer seems to possess his class powers as a sorceror after the gods ressurected him.
Now if Tak's soul was imprisoned somewhere then that's a whole different story, imprisoned souls cannot be retrieved except by going and finding it. The gods of Krynn could have "imprisoned" her soul somewhere as punishment for her treachery and to prevent it from being resurrected. After all they know they aren't perfect and may just want to keep here there until she's sufficiently forgotten by mortals. Just a "haven't had my morning java theory" though.
But that was my rationale for Silvanoshei, not Takhisis. Though in her case it's a valid question to ask if she would want to be resurrected. I don't think she'd be too sporting about having to live as a mortal. She was dissatisfied with her station in life as one to the Top 3 gods of Krynn! You think she would really want to come back to life and have to go around knowing that all the gods plus a sizeable number of mortals are more powerful than she is? She'd go nuts within days!
Originally posted by Psionycx
There are certain spells that can block ressurection. Indeed, if you wanted to keep someone dead and prevent anyone from raising them magically you could do it with a Wish spell. Since the gods have powers even greater than a Wish it stands to reason that a god could simply ban a mortal from being raised.
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But otrher gods might ressurect one of them, or the ttwo of them.
and if we are talikng about the Wish spell, then someone can counter a wish spell that prevented ressurrction with another wish spell.
Very cool....thats one of the things I have really been wondering about. Thanks for the heads up Tal......you have solidified one purchase of said novel on the release day.
Since SDA's are more powerful than mortal magic, any use of Alter Reality to obstruct a resurrection could not be circumvented through the use of spells like Wish or Miracle. You'd need at least another deity of equal or greater rank to overcome it.
Actually, I wonder how those spells work for Sorcerors and Mystics? It has long been a part of D&D principles that they invoke the intervention of a deity, something a sorceror or mystic is unlikely to be able to do.
But anyway, I assume that Sargonnas made Silvanoshei's death permanent, which was why Mishakal didn't resurrect him. That or there were some divine politics involved. Takhisis proved that the gods can control souls, regardless of what the souls themselves may want. So I doubt that the problem was that Silvanoshei simply refused to come back. Besides, I would have thought he'd want to keep trying to make Mina see how enamored he was of her.
As for an in-game reason why she isn't coming back, it's simple: None of the gods will allow it. Just like they forbid Paladine from re-assuming his godhood, the gods will forbid Takhisis from ever coming back.
--the 19 remaining gods don't like to go back on such decisions NB
Originally posted by talinthas
Let's just say that the first chapter of Amber and Ashes makes it very clear what will happen to the newly deceased Dark Queen.
*bite, scratch, claw, hiss*
Originally posted by Nero's Boot
Takhisis isn't coming back, as that would be the cheapest, lousiest thing Wizards and/or Sovereign Stone could possibly do, now that they had the balls to actually kill her off. It would render the whole War of Souls trilogy meaningless if she was that easy to bring back.
You might dislike it, but I would love Takhisis to come back with Mina for one last romp across the landscape! They could rally their army and attack both Solamnics and Nerakans for their vile treachury and lack of faith! Would you actualy say you would be displeased to see Takhisis dropping out of the sky upon the back of a Red Dragon with her morningstar in hand, hair trailing wildly behind, cackling evily as her army smites Castle Uth Winstan?
Originally posted by Dea ex Machina
Would you actualy say you would be displeased to see Takhisis dropping out of the sky upon the back of a Red Dragon with her morningstar in hand, hair trailing wildly behind, cackling evily as her army smites Castle Uth Winstan?
Yes, I would mind that very much, as it would be a cheap money-grabbing maneuver akin to the crap promulgated by Marvel-style comics.
"Why, yes, Thanos is dead and gone forever, defeated by the sacrifice of brave heroes!....Oh, look, Thanos has returned! Let the Marvel Universe tremble!!!!!"
--if Takhisis returns, I will be disappointed beyond the capacity for words NB
ahh, Mina =)
Somehow i don't think Takhisis does it for her anymore =)
Originally posted by Psionycx
You mean like the horror that was the whole SAGA/Fifth Age period to begin with?
Yes, exactly. The Fifth Age was a horrible idea that nearly killed all interest in the DL setting for me. But still, they repaired the setting and took an artistic chance by killing Takhisis. So, let's not screw over the setting's integrity any further by cheaply resurrecting Takk, shall we?
--if Takhisis comes back, I'm finished with Dragonlance forever NB
Now we have a great chance for the other gods to become more visible and see how people interact with them.
Jamie Chambers
Sovereign Press, Inc.
Originally posted by talinthas
Let's just say that the first chapter of Amber and Ashes makes it very clear what will happen to the newly deceased Dark Queen.
Alright spit it out where did ya buy the book ? The stores up here are still carrying the first 3 books(The Chronicles I believe.). The newest book I have seen is the 2nd book to The Minotaur Wars
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Originally posted by LordofIllusions
Alright spit it out where did ya buy the book ? The stores up here are still carrying the first 3 books(The Chronicles I believe.). The newest book I have seen is the 2nd book to The Minotaur Wars
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I think Tal got his hands on an Advance Reader's Copy, which is a pre-printing version of the book distributed to book buyers, reviewers, etc.--one that does not have final corrections in the book. We will have Amber & Ashes on-sale at our booth (#409) at GenCon!
Jamie Chambers
Sovereign Press, Inc.
Originally posted by jechambers
Takhisis is dead, and will stay that way. Mina has something new going on, to say the least! Those who read Amber & Ashes will likely never look at Mina quite the same way again!
Jamie Chambers
Sovereign Press, Inc.
She had best not become the new Queen of Darkness, because that would be craptacular.
"Oh, look, we brought back Takhisis, but we did it in a way no one can say we brought back Takhisis!"
--something tells me my days of buying DL are swiftly coming to an end NB
Originally posted by Nero's Boot
She had best not become the new Queen of Darkness, because that would be craptacular.
"Oh, look, we brought back Takhisis, but we did it in a way no one can say we brought back Takhisis!"
--something tells me my days of buying DL are swiftly coming to an end NB
Being a little pessimistic aren't we?
Originally posted by talinthas
Mina...
ahh, Mina =)
Somehow i don't think Takhisis does it for her anymore =)
Now that's just mean Tatlinthas! Didn't your mother ever tell you, "If you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all."
Ok go on...you started it, now you gotta finish it.
However, we don't have an inspiring evil anymore, nor a majestic one. Takhisis the Dragon Queen was a dark Aphrodite, a goddess of tyrrany and devotion.
However, Chemosh is getting a little bit of light these days, so maybe he will fill in some of the seducer roles. Sargonnas is already taking over her militant aspects, Hiddukel her penchant for lies and trickery, and Zeboim her female power.
I would definately like to see a new goddess of evil though to put the number back up to 7 (madness is my suggestion), along with a goddess of purity and children to fill out the roster of good.