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#1 zombiegleemax Aug 09, 2004 16:58:44	Sorry if this was asked before, my search button keeps delaying me out. Has Galan Dracos's stats ever been covered by an official gaming suppliment? If so what are they? If not, have you ever used him? What did you make him in your gaming session?
#2 Dragonhelm Aug 09, 2004 17:17:53	Galan Dracos has not been covered in any prior gaming product. As for game stats, he'd be a high-level renegade wizard (no WoHs levels). I could see a PrC made up for his band of renegades that would allow for a slow transformation into a draconic figure. Perhaps, if we're lucky, they'll do a gaming book on The Legend of Huma some day.
#3 ferratus Aug 10, 2004 1:48:59	I think Draconic Apotheosis could just be part of a Dragon Mage prestige class (Why Ulin, what big teeth you have!) Otherwise we might assume that Galan Dracos' experiments led to not only the creation of Draconians, but Dragonspawn as well.
#4 Dragonhelm Aug 10, 2004 6:39:44	Originally posted by ferratus I think Draconic Apotheosis could just be part of a Dragon Mage prestige class (Why Ulin, what big teeth you have!) Those are two totally separate things. A dragon mage is a sorcerer who draws arcane energy from a dragon, sharing a bond with the dragon. It's the arcane equivalent of the dragon rider. Dracos never did that. He drew upon the power of chaos to fuel his magic. Otherwise we might assume that Galan Dracos' experiments led to not only the creation of Draconians, but Dragonspawn as well. Not Dracos, but the black robe Kaz encounters in Kaz and the Dragon's Children.
#5 zombiegleemax Aug 18, 2004 17:40:10	If you were to use Galan Dracos stats, just out of curiosity, what would you put him at level wise in comparison to Fistandantilus or Raistlin Majere?
#6 zombiegleemax Aug 18, 2004 20:01:54	Originally posted by Airicx Velysian If you were to use Galan Dracos stats, just out of curiosity, what would you put him at level wise in comparison to Fistandantilus or Raistlin Majere? First we have to see how both of them have been reconned.
#7 zombiegleemax Aug 18, 2004 20:05:02	Originally posted by Dragonhelm Dracos never did that. He drew upon the power of chaos to fuel his magic. If I'm not mistaken, that's impossible since chaos was trapped in the graygem during that time. That's according to Cam in the Sorcery vs High Sorcery thread. It's been retconned. :D
#8 Dragonhelm Aug 18, 2004 21:30:55	Originally posted by Koranith If I'm not mistaken, that's impossible since chaos was trapped in the graygem during that time. That's according to Cam in the Sorcery vs High Sorcery thread. It's been retconned. :D Chaos the uber-god may have been. Chaos, as in the building blocks of the universe, is what Dracos tapped into.
#9 ivid Aug 19, 2004 5:44:56	In my current campaign my players met the animus of Dracos - I gave him the abilities of a 30th level High Priest of Chaos (made up class). I think, if D used chaotic powers, he should be treated more like a priest than a mage.
#10 zombiegleemax Aug 19, 2004 7:10:06	Originally posted by Dragonhelm Chaos the uber-god may have been. Chaos, as in the building blocks of the universe, is what Dracos tapped into. Yes I know, Chaos being the building blocks of the universe. According to Cam, only with Chaos the god being free is Chaos/Primal Magic open to public use whether it be sorcerers or mystics. I argued the point (quite well I think) that that couldn't be the case due to Krynn's past use of it, but was informed that history had been retconned so that after Chaos was shoved in the Graygem Primal Sorcery and Mysticiscm no longer worked. So until Chaos was released from the Graygem by the Irda Primal magic and Mysticism became available to mortals again. Unless, of course, Galen Dracos is an uber-being like the dragons or fey creatures. Never quite understood how they could still utilize it though. Check the Sorcery vs. High Sorcery thread that's where Cam lays it all out.
#11 frostdawn Aug 19, 2004 8:45:40	Hmm, I thought Galen Dracos got the base of his power from the moon gods, then further enhanced from Takhisis herself. His becoming draconic when Huma faced him was a 'gift' from Tak. The world of Krynn, the Conclave, and even the other gods never noticed that Tak bent the rules for granting magic to mortals that far back since Dracos cast a spell on himself that essentially erased himself from existence in order to escape Tak's wrath upon finding out that Dracos failed her. Better to be wiped from existence than exist in the Abyss being tormented by Tak for the rest of eternity. Tak herself commented on the ingenuity of Dracos for doing what he did before her memory of him was gone.
#12 cam_banks Aug 19, 2004 9:11:47	Powerful artifacts like Galan Dracos' emerald orb could have given the renegade wizard the ability to draw on chaotic energies without himself being capable of it. One of the tricks with any of this talk of magic and magic sources is that the source is usually out there, but you need the key to it. Sorcerers and mystics have a key in the form of Chaos' pervasive energies, dragons and fey have an innate key which enables them to draw upon primal magic. Dracos' orb could be one such key. In the novel The Citadel the renegade Black Robe Valkyn had a powerful rod which allowed him to draw the moon magic-enhanced power from other wizards and use it to augment his own (unenhanced) wizardly power. Cheating like this is highly irregular but it's a good example of how wizards throughout Krynn's history have sought to get around the requirements of the Orders. Cheers, Cam
#13 zombiegleemax Aug 19, 2004 16:49:08	I had no idea that my question on what level you would put Dracos at would inspire this debate about where his power came from. LOL!
#14 zombiegleemax Aug 19, 2004 16:50:22	Originally posted by Koranith First we have to see how both of them have been reconned. Base it on 2nd edition then. I'm just curious.