I seem to remember that it was a Glantrian mage, disguised and trying to convince Thar to attack the Dwarves of Rockhome.
My reference material is at home at the moment. I am trying to update my story hour, and I'm bringing together some plot points.
Thanks,
GW
Originally posted by Lost Woodrake
As I recall, it is indeed Jaggar - but not in Dragon form. He appears as Uruk Vaath, which is Jaggar's second human identity (Herr Urkvarth).
Of course, it is also interesting to note that Thar was turned into a nosferatu by Morphail Gorevitch-Woszlany, so theoretically, he should still be under the Dark Prince's control as well.
Originally posted by Cthulhudrew
Of course, it is also interesting to note that Thar was turned into a nosferatu by Morphail Gorevitch-Woszlany, so theoretically, he should still be under the Dark Prince's control as well.
I never liked the Orc of Thar gaz (as I wrote in another thread a long time ago *LOL*) especially because King Thar is reduced to a mere puppet. He is a nosferatu by Prince Morphail's hand (or rather, teeth :D ) but he is also strongly influenced by Jaggar von Drachenfelds and last but not least if he gets as much as a scratch, he'll fall victim to the evil intelligence in his sword and launch an attack on Rockhome.
By the way, is it just me or does it strike others as odd that Alphaks hasn't used Morphail to direct the forces of the Broken Lands to cause mayhem and destruction??
Or that Jaggar, who hates Ethengar and would love to destroy that country, is directing the orcs against Rockhome instead because of 200 year old grudge? Did his ancestor die of the plague or what's the deal there?
:-) Jesper
Originally posted by Spellweaver
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I never liked the Orc of Thar gaz (as I wrote in another thread a long time ago *LOL*) especially because King Thar is reduced to a mere puppet. He is a nosferatu by Prince Morphail's hand (or rather, teeth :D ) but he is also strongly influenced by Jaggar von Drachenfelds and last but not least if he gets as much as a scratch, he'll fall victim to the evil intelligence in his sword and launch an attack on Rockhome.
By the way, is it just me or does it strike others as odd that Alphaks hasn't used Morphail to direct the forces of the Broken Lands to cause mayhem and destruction??
Or that Jaggar, who hates Ethengar and would love to destroy that country, is directing the orcs against Rockhome instead because of 200 year old grudge? Did his ancestor die of the plague or what's the deal there?
:-) Jesper
The way GAZ10 is written, there would be a war between the humanoids and Rockhome within 1-2 years. Which is why, to get events lined up to run Wrath of Immortals, I ran a short adventure for a PC which seperated Thar from that sword and destroyed it.
With regards to Alphaks, isn't that exactly what happened? Didn't the humanoids pour out during WoI and cause a lot of mayhem and destruction?
As for Jaggar, in GAZ3 he lobbies to lead Glantri's forces to destroy Ethengar. He wants to defeat Ethengar personally and reap the glory. Let the humanoid vermin kill the magic-resistant dwarven vermin in their fortified underground holdings.
I completed my story hour update, and managed to leave out those higher level machinations from my update for this go-round.
Thanks,
GW
Originally posted by NPC Dave
The way GAZ10 is written, there would be a war between the humanoids and Rockhome within 1-2 years. Which is why, to get events lined up to run Wrath of Immortals, I ran a short adventure for a PC which seperated Thar from that sword and destroyed it.
With regards to Alphaks, isn't that exactly what happened? Didn't the humanoids pour out during WoI and cause a lot of mayhem and destruction?
As for Jaggar, in GAZ3 he lobbies to lead Glantri's forces to destroy Ethengar. He wants to defeat Ethengar personally and reap the glory. Let the humanoid vermin kill the magic-resistant dwarven vermin in their fortified underground holdings.
I see your point that there is a build-up in the Gaz series to a war between Rockhome and Thar; in the Rockhome Gaz Thar invades while the dwarves are engaged in civil war between Denwarf and King Everast and in the Broken Lands Gaz we have Jaggar's manipulations.
I don't know anything about the WotI - I never owned or even read a copy. Is Morphail and thus Alphaks responsible for the orcs' actions in that scenario?
It is a very good point that Jaggar want the glory for defeating the Ethengar for himself and that he prefers to use humanoid cannon-fodder to deal with the magic-resistant dwarves. But I fail to see his motives for a war against Rockhome. Unless it is simply racism or the fear that Rockhome might ally with Ethengar in a coming war... Actually, now that I think about it, that might indeed be the reason...
:-) Jesper
Originally posted by Spellweaver
It is a very good point that Jaggar want the glory for defeating the Ethengar for himself and that he prefers to use humanoid cannon-fodder to deal with the magic-resistant dwarves. But I fail to see his motives for a war against Rockhome. Unless it is simply racism or the fear that Rockhome might ally with Ethengar in a coming war... Actually, now that I think about it, that might indeed be the reason...
:-) Jesper
Eh, think about it this way: if you were a high-level wizard bent on conquering surrounding nations AND one of said nations happened to be full of magic-resistant beings, what would you do?
Originally posted by Spellweaver
I see your point that there is a build-up in the Gaz series to a war between Rockhome and Thar; in the Rockhome Gaz Thar invades while the dwarves are engaged in civil war between Denwarf and King Everast and in the Broken Lands Gaz we have Jaggar's manipulations.
I don't know anything about the WotI - I never owned or even read a copy. Is Morphail and thus Alphaks responsible for the orcs' actions in that scenario?
It is a very good point that Jaggar want the glory for defeating the Ethengar for himself and that he prefers to use humanoid cannon-fodder to deal with the magic-resistant dwarves. But I fail to see his motives for a war against Rockhome. Unless it is simply racism or the fear that Rockhome might ally with Ethengar in a coming war... Actually, now that I think about it, that might indeed be the reason...
:-) Jesper
The reason for the humanoids attacking everywhere is left pretty open, but Alphaks isn't specifically given credit.
As for Jaggar, Broken Lands versus Rockhome kills two birds with one stone. The humanods raid Glantri lands, and Rockhome is hostile to Glantri, and lends aid to Ethengar.
"Notorious for his vehement attitude against the Ethengarian clergy and the dwarven kingdom, he sincerely believes the clergy to be a serious threat to the magocracy. As far as the dwarves are concerned, they have been the victim of Glantrian persecutions - they say - and display obvious hatred for these wizards. Many centuries ago, dwarves were accused of bringing the plague into war-torn Glantri, and were thus savagely hunted out of that nation.
Prince Jaggar supports the theory that an early war against Ethengar, and their assumed allies - the dwarves - is needed for the security of the magocracy. Since the council does not favor an all-out war against these nations, Jaggar took matters into his own hands. His plan is to manipulate King Thar into attacking Rockhome and keeping the orcs busy for a long time. To this end, Jaggar assumes the identity of Uruk Vaath and pretends to be the herald of the orcish Immortal patron."
GW