Thanks!
EDIT: Edited for clarity.
He's looking for a pre cataclysm map, of which none really exists.
http://www.drachenlanze.de/archiv/krynn/images/ansalon1.jpg
Thanks anyway guys.
Originally posted by Insta_AxE_Toast
Damnit I am a computer guy so when I see pc .... lol
My degree was in crisis counseling and workplace psychology and ethics, so I see "politically correct".
Cheers,
Cam
Originally posted by Koranith
Rather than start a new thread on a topic that's realted, I'll just ask mt question here. I'm almost certain the answer is no, but I have to ask. Are there any maps of Krynn, not just of Ansalon and Taladas, but of Krynn as a whole? If not, approx how far are the two apart if I may be so bold to ask? Last question. About how large is Krynn compared to Earth?
Quick and dirty answer is:
1. No, there's no global map of Krynn that shows all the landmasses, though there is a world map of Krynn that shows Ansalon and Taladas and unknown areas as faded white.
2. If you go by the world map of Krynn, then the two are approximately 500 miles away at their closest point.
3. As for how big Krynn is ... most people believe it is roughly the size of Earth's moon. Though others will tell you it's as big as Mars or even Earth itself ...
Originally posted by Insta_AxE_Toast
I always thought krynn was the size of mars or earth. Hopefully somebody who is working on the books can give us a definate answer.
That's the kicker, Krynn's actual size has never been definitely stated ... hence the estimation of anywhere from Luna to Earth in size. It also doesn't help that the scale used in the maps changed during the advent of the SAGA products.
Originally posted by iltharanos
Quick and dirty answer is:
1. No, there's no global map of Krynn that shows all the landmasses, though there is a world map of Krynn that shows Ansalon and Taladas and unknown areas as faded white.
2. If you go by the world map of Krynn, then the two are approximately 500 miles away at their closest point.
3. As for how big Krynn is ... most people believe it is roughly the size of Earth's moon. Though others will tell you it's as big as Mars or even Earth itself ...
Thanks that helps out a lot. You wouldn't by any chance happen to where I could find this world map from answer #1?
Originally posted by Koranith
Thanks that helps out a lot. You wouldn't by any chance happen to where I could find this world map from answer #1?
It's available for free here:
http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/dnd/downloads
The Otherlands, as talinthas already mentioned.
Which is why...I do not now, nor will ever, buy into the fact that Ansalon is the size of Greenland.
Gotta love when the sources conflict.
In the 2nd edition war of the lance camp it says that krynn is big enough to fit 10 Ansalons with lots of ocean suggesting it is the size of earth, the other book that I downloaded its shows Krynn being able to fit roughly 4 ansalons with ocean.
I like the idea of Krynn being larger personally. But I don't think it really affects it all that much.
Originally posted by Mortepierre
As far as I know, this is the only 2E accessory that gave a rough estimate of Krynn's size. Of course, since that particular system has been obsolete since 3E, that doesn't help much
Well...that whole product is so far out of true Krynn canon it is sickening. For one...every moon has to be equidistant from each other, effectively making it impossible to have a Night of the Eye. One of the planets is missing (can't remeber which one) and an extra one is added in. To add insult to injury, Krynn's orbit is about 35 degrees out of plane with the rest of the planets, and Reorx is closer to the sun than Krynn...effectively making it impossible to see Reorx during the night (which flies in the face of everything about it before).
You really just can't take that product for anything but it's own continuity in its own version of the Krynnsphere...because it unfortunately doesn't jive at all with Dragonlance.
Originally posted by Insta_AxE_Toast
Brimstone that applies to our climate on earth. This is krynn maybe for some reason the south end of krynn got turned into an artic wonderland =D
Gotta love when the sources conflict.
In the 2nd edition war of the lance camp it says that krynn is big enough to fit 10 Ansalons with lots of ocean suggesting it is the size of earth, the other book that I downloaded its shows Krynn being able to fit roughly 4 ansalons with ocean.
I like the idea of Krynn being larger personally. But I don't think it really affects it all that much.
That's fine...but the Dragon Isles are "Equitorial." And we know how far the Dragon Isles are from mainland Ansalon. We also know the exact distance from Icewall to Chorane (ie, the South Pole).
Here's what we have.
Dragon Isles to Mainland = 500 miles (I'm being generous here)
Northern most point to Icewall = 1000 miles
Icewall to South Pole = ~1,000 miles
So...we have a total circumference of ~10,000 miles. So Krynn's diameter is 3,183 miles.
So...here we go:
Diameter:
Earth - 7,926 miles
Moon - 2,162 miles
Krynn - 3,183 miles
Surface Area:
Earth - ~198 million square miles
Moon - ~14.7 million square miles
Krynn - ~31.8 million square miles
So, as far as effective surface area, Krynn is over 6 times smaller than Earth. Now, if we say Ansalon is 1,000 miles by 1,200 miles (which is close...but it's not quite that much), Ansalon takes up 1.2 million square miles...so you can roughly fit 25 Ansalons on the surface of Krynn.
Which is awfully close what Dragonlance Adventures says. (it says 20 Ansalons can fit on Krynn...so perhaps the 500 miles from mainland to the Dragon Isles was pushing it a bit much).
So, I think this is pretty evident that Ansalon was supposed to be small, and that Krynn is supposed to be a very small planet...either that, or it's very coincidental.
Either way, I personally am not comfortable with an entire planet that is 1/6th the size of Earth.
Think about it this way...take a flat map of Earth, divide the northern hemisphere into three equal parts. That one part is all the bigger a flat map of Ansalon would take up.
It's just to small for me. The ignorance of the people about their planet...hell just what's going on on the other side of their own "continent" does not make sense to me with a space that is that small.
Originally posted by Brimstone
It's just to small for me. The ignorance of the people about their planet...hell just what's going on on the other side of their own "continent" does not make sense to me with a space that is that small.
That's because you're a 21st century American with a real education and access to technology. ;) If we put you into the 1500's and deprived you of any real education and only pre-industrial technology, you'd be hard-pressed to know what was going on in the village over the next hill.
Cheers,
Cam
Originally posted by Cam Banks
That's because you're a 21st century American with a real education and access to technology. ;) If we put you into the 1500's and deprived you of any real education and only pre-industrial technology, you'd be hard-pressed to know what was going on in the village over the next hill.
I disagree with that completely. Even during the middle ages (when communication and knowledge was at its lowest point), people knew what was going on. Maybe not the peasants, but if there was a war going on, you knew...in an area much larger than Ansalon.
But during the days of Alexander, or the Roman empire...or anytime during the Renaissance, if something important was happening, people knew about it. Sure, they might know a few weeks or months late...but certainly not 350 years after fact.
Anyway...if you want to go back to complete issolationalism, you've got to go back a very long time...and Ansalon has gone well beyond those people, in my opinion.
Originally posted by iltharanos
Krynn being so small is also rather problematic when you take into account the so-called preeminent sailors of Krynn: the Minotaurs. If you take the Otherlands map of Krynn as gospel truth, why is it there isn't more contact with Taladas from the minotaurs of the Blood Sea Isles?
The minotaurs are talking about Taladas as early as the Land of the Minotaurs (although the name isn't used in the book). Maybe they do have contact, but just don't share the knowledge with the other races.
Originally posted by jonesy
The minotaurs are talking about Taladas as early as the Land of the Minotaurs (although the name isn't used in the book). Maybe they do have contact, but just don't share the knowledge with the other races.
If they do have contact, you'd think Taladas would at least bear a passing mention in the new Minotaur trilogy (granted I've only read the first book so there may be one there I'm unaware of). A pleasant surprise was the mention made of the Kazelati.
Originally posted by iltharanos
If they do have contact, you'd think Taladas would at least bear a passing mention in the new Minotaur trilogy (granted I've only read the first book so there may be one there I'm unaware of). A pleasant surprise was the mention made of the Kazelati.
Perhaps it's just that the authors rarely take Taladas into consideration and leave it out of the story. And maybe it should be pointed out to them.
Originally posted by jonesy
Perhaps it's just that the authors rarely take Taladas into consideration and leave it out of the story. And maybe it should be pointed out to them.
Perhaps with the advent of the Taladas trilogy we'll get precisely that! Krynn being such a small world anyway (in my view, anyway), it seems that the people of Ansalon are desperately ignorant of what lies beyond the oceans. Perhaps now that the Gods have returned, some of the more adventurous authors will start setting adventures on the high seas and the lands yet to be discovered. Ahh, one can only hope.
the map is split in 8 parts so you can zoom in each section.
enjoy ;)
www.anycities.com/dragonlancemaps/big_ansalon.html
Originally posted by Maur'Dhiv
but I've found a web site with an old edition (2nd ?) map of krynn.
the map is split in 8 parts so you can zoom in each section.
enjoy ;)
www.anycities.com/dragonlancemaps/big_ansalon.html
I seem to be unable to actually see any of the images there for some reason. :whatsthis