What bugs me most though is the concept "Oh, by the way, you'll never be able to channel spells to followers because, Boo Hoo, they are all dead now". I'm of the belief that 2 things should be true in a DnD campaign, 1)anything the NPCs can do the PCs can do, and 2) NPCs are just as smart as PCs and as such should be played that way (meaning power race/class/skill/feat combos).
So, personally I think their should be an Epic feat for this. I know it sounds tough, but when you think of the Leadership feat, what's the difference really between attracting and army of lowbie warriors or an army of lowbie cleric-types. So I propose a single feat.
Elemental Channeling [Epic]
You may grant spells to your cohorts and followers.
Pre-requisites: Leadership, etc, will think of others later.
Benefits: You may replace any or all of your followers or cohorts with Templars. These Templars are dedicated to you and as such get their spells from you. You may choose one Domain and also get domains for each of Chaotic, Evil, Good or Lawful depending on your alignment from which you can grant your followers. In addition these templars cast spells as would a normal templar.
This feat limits a character to 1 high level templar and many low level templars.
Greater Elemental Channeling [Epic]
You may grant spells to more followers.
Pre-requisties: Leadership, Elemental Channeling, etc, other, TBA
Beneifts: You gain an additional number of special cohort Templars. The total number of additional cohort levels is equal to your Hit dice divided anyway you choose, to a maximum of 20th level for any single cohort.
Obviously many of you will argue that these are over-powered. Obviously some tweaking has to be done on the Greater Elemental Channeling Feat. The first one is designed to simply to replace standard cohorts and followers with templar types, not really that big a deal. The second however is meant to establish the higher ranks of a SKs eschelons. Even for Borys at 70th level he could only add seven 10th level templars.
Some good insight on the topic in those posts.
Originally posted by Skole
Now, is it just me or does the whole concept of the living vortices (which by the way are all now extinct) channeling the power the power of Elemental Planes through the sorceror kings to their followers seem a bit of a cop out?
It's not that they are extinct, it's just that no new Advanced Being can get one latched onto it like the current SMs have.
Dregoth Ascending has plenty of new info on the vortices....
Originally posted by Sysane
Ah Ha!!! I knew the vortices would play a big part in DA! If he steals the other SKs vortices I'll be shocked. Thats what I had happen in my campaign.
Originally posted by Sysane
Get out!!!!
Not confirming or denying at this point, heh.
Food for thought, until DA comes out.
Originally posted by xlorepdarkhelm
I've actually been working on concept that elemental vortices are actually something that primarily is a part of a Cleric-Elemental (the Advanced Being), in thier development - they are the connections which the Cleric buids with their plane, as they become more and more advanced. Through these, the Cleric-Elemental gains the ability to channel more and more power from their respective elements, being able to form a collection of elementals who follow him (akin to the leadership feat), while also enhancing their spells. Sometimes, when a Cleric-Elemental is killed, these vortices take on lives of their own, and become "living vortices". The problem with these living vortices is that they are undetectable by both people on Athas, and denziens of their respective elemental planes. They also are relatively unknown - remember that not even the Sorcerer-Kings understand, or know anything about, the living vortices connected to them - that link was a bizarre side-effect, and unintentional. I believe there could be others out there, but to connect to one, either the exact conditions that Borys used with the SK's, or someone has to be able to recognize they exist, and prove it, then deal with being able to attract them, and figure out how to link up with them. All of which, I simply rule, since there is nobody who knows about them, the characters would have to attempt to completely figure this out on their own - with no help (and possibly some hinderence) from NPC's.
Consider your idea stolen, good sir.
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NBOriginally posted by Nero's Boot
Consider your idea stolen, good sir.
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hehe
Originally posted by Jaanos
A rather unique idea that a DM ran for a high-level campain was that the living vortices were proto-gods, i.e beings that would have evenutally evolved into the first gods. His rational for this was that in many anchient cultures, the first gods are attached to primal, elemental forces (god of the ocean, thunder, lightning, sun etc)
Food for thought, until DA comes out.
I actually find this Idea to be the most appealing of them
Originally posted by Oninotaki
I actually find this Idea to be the most appealing of them
Originally posted by Jaanos
Thanks. Maybe they are what gave the SK's divine rank 0.... if that's the take people use in thier world (my DM has most devil and demon princes having divine rank 0)
While I can understand the idea of a demon or devil prince having divine rank 0, I feel any divine ranks, however insignificant, have no place with the Sorcerer-Kings. At best, maybe with Rajaat, but I'd rather something else was used to explain him.