Jamie Chambers
Sovereign Press, Inc.
Wizard 20/Loremaster 10/Archmage 5/Wayfarer Guide 3/Renegade Hunter 1
If you want a less flavorful Raist, Wizard 29/Loremaster 10.
-TRRW
Originally posted by jechambers
Raistlin appears as an apprentice mage in Towers of High Sorcery (complete with new art by Larry Elmore, showing a 16-year-old Raistlin wearing white robes). He is also in the War of the Lance sourcebook, presented during the middle of Autumn Twilight. If you want official stats for Raistlin as Master of Past and Present, you'll have to wait until next year.
Jamie Chambers
Sovereign Press, Inc.
Next Year?!?!
If we start quessing will you give us a hot or cold answer?Originally posted by Koranith
Next Year?!?!
These aren't the stats you're looking for. Move along... move along...
Cheers,
Cam
And oh... just exactly when will this War of the Lance book be available? Can't wait
Originally posted by trivo
At least 39 level?!? Maybe I'm much mistaken 'cause I haven't read the spell, but didn't Par-Salian cast the same spell? In the 2nd edition Tales of the Lance boxed set, Par-Salian was an 18th level wizard...
And oh... just exactly when will this War of the Lance book be available? Can't wait
The specifics of the spell are located in the web preview on dragonlance.com, suffice it to say that it is much easier to send someone back in time with the spell than to go forward in time as Raistlin did.
The last official word is that the War of the Lance book will be hitting bookshelves the 1st week of October.
'least that's how i see it
Originally posted by Amaron Blackthorn
There is no indication that Raistlin was ever a renegade hunter. He was a warmage for awhile. Also what level Black Robe/Red Robe would he be?
True there is no idication that Raistlin was ever a Renegade Hunter, neither is there any indication that he was a War Mage either. He did co-lead the army of Fistandantlus with Caramon, but never did he display any of the abilities of a War Mage. I'd personally go with something like:
Wizard (Evocationist)19/Black Robe 10/Archmage 5/Loremaster 5
As far as him being a Red Robe I think you have to convert those levels to Black Robe, I don't think you get to keep them.
Originally posted by trivo
Just as a curiosity, I would like to know what character level Raistlin was at the peak of his career. Could Raistlin at his best beat Malystryx? Probably yes... Then he must've been over level 40!!!! Ergo Elminster sucks. Hehe...
If you want Raistlin at the peak of his power you have to remember that he defeated all the gods. So I'd say....Yeah he'd kick the everliving *deleted explicitive* out of Malys. Malys wouldn't last ten seconds against Raistlin at that point in time. By the by....Elminster does suck...why won't he just go away!
I always saw Raistlin as much more of a cunning person, rather than a powerhouse...
Originally posted by Insancipitory By Nature
They're refering to the going forwards in time. Which used to be easier circa 1st edition, but now is harder (probably because making up a new future is harder on a DM than going to an established past.)
Okay, that part did escape my notice. Even so, Raistlin didn't jump straight from the Cataclysm back to the present. He went forward only about a century...which would mean he'd need about a hundred spellcasting levels!
Hmm, did someone make an error there?
Since Dragonlance is the setting of the three level prestige class, I'd probably go with :
Wizard 8/WoHS (Black) 10/Loremaster 13/Master of Past and Present 3
The last being a PrC with "unique" requirements and a final class feature that vastly increases the capabilities of those who would cast the timereaver spell. Which should make him "the exception that proves the rule," keep him suitably close to his "classic" 18 levels, but give him 3 epic feats, and major major know it all goodness. Then just go off in the PrC, make it wickedly overpowered. Serves two functions, one dissuades gullible DM's, plays up and off the significance of his title. It also has the added benefit of bragging rights for minimum level at which a mortal ascends to God-hood.
But that's just me, and obviously I'm not calling the shots.
Originally posted by Alzrius
Okay, that part did escape my notice. Even so, Raistlin didn't jump straight from the Cataclysm back to the present. He went forward only about a century...which would mean he'd need about a hundred spellcasting levels!
Hmm, did someone make an error there?
Raistlin jumped forward from the time of the Cataclysm to the time of the dwarfgate wars ... which is listed as having occurred in the year 39 A.C. per the Dragonlance Campaign Setting, hence the 39th level calculation.
Originally posted by Insancipitory By Nature
keep him suitably close to his "classic" 18 levels, but give him 3 epic feats, and major major know it all goodness.
He was 20th level in the 1st edition Dragonlance Adventures hardcover, and that was when the level limit was 18th! ;)
Originally posted by wolffenjugend
Just b/c Raistlin defeated gods doesn't necessarily mean he has to be super high level. Perhaps he knew what and when to cast, making him that much more powerful. And perhaps he simply outfoxed his enemies.
I always saw Raistlin as much more of a cunning person, rather than a powerhouse...
Note, I never said he was an umber high level mage. I just said he would wax the floor with Malys with no problem. I too, see him as having been a cunning and insightful opponent. Though...he would still need some major power to take out each and every god, except the High God of course.
I still disagree with the War Mage levels. Even though he led the Army of Fistandantlus, Caramon was the real leader of that ragtag band. Raistlin was just along to get to Pre-blast Skull Cap to get to the Gate to the Abyss. He never utilized or exibited any of the War Mage abilities. So I'd have to say that based on that he did not have any War Mage levels.
Originally posted by Koranith
I still disagree with the War Mage levels. Even though he led the Army of Fistandantlus, Caramon was the real leader of that ragtag band. Raistlin was just along to get to Pre-blast Skull Cap to get to the Gate to the Abyss. He never utilized or exibited any of the War Mage abilities. So I'd have to say that based on that he did not have any War Mage levels.
The Warmage levels have nothing to do with the Dwafgate wars, In the novel Brothers in Arms(it occurs before Chronicles) he trained as a Warmage in a Mercenairy Group. Hence, the Warmage levels.
Anyway... I think Raistlin's little title of 'Master of Past and Present' was more than a title and let him circumvent certain rules in relation to time travel. So the whole 39 level thing is arbitrary.
Another thing, don't assume that 2nd edition AD&D stats and levels automatically translate into congruant 3.5 stats. A lot of things have changes.
Originally posted by Nived
Another thing, don't assume that 2nd edition AD&D stats and levels automatically translate into congruant 3.5 stats. A lot of things have changes.
Um...they should if you read the conversion guide. The only thing that would have changed would have been his multi-classed levels...had he been multi-classed, which of course humans could not do under 2ed. Unless of course Raist and the others have been significantly retconned.
Gees I hate that term. The whole Master of Past and Present bit is ludicrous. It's just a title or moniker that he took on after he came to full understand that he possesed bith his and Fisty's souls. Fisty's soul "super charged" him, it did not boosted his char levels, so he still would have needed to be 39th lvl. Rather than a PrC for Master of the Past and Present there should be a Template that can be added that, in essence, allows two souls to inhabit one body. Maybe call it something like Possed or something significantly more clever than that. Have it add 1/2 the former souls class levels to the new person as virtual levels, not char levels (they didn't earn them through XP so they cannot be char levels). Badda Bing...SP flesh it out and slap it in HOotS.
Originally posted by Koranith
The whole Master of Past and Present bit is ludicrous. It's just a title or moniker that he took on after he came to full understand that he possesed bith his and Fisty's souls.
Fistandantilus had already possessed the souls of hundreds of mages without becoming a master of anything special, so no, it's not just a title or monicker. And if it had been just a title Raistlin would never have been able to retake the tower of Palanthas. It has to be something special. If it weren't, then that would be ludicrous.
Edit:
Also, by being the Master of Past and Present Raistlin was able to do something that not even the gods were able to do (which was finding Krynn's new location in the timestream after it had been stolen).
Originally posted by Nived
Another thing, don't assume that 2nd edition AD&D stats and levels automatically translate into congruant 3.5 stats. A lot of things have changed.
This is exactly true. In some cases, the 3.5 versions of some of the characters and concepts from the War of the Lance will not look exactly the same (even considering the conversion process) as they did in the 1st edition modules. Part of that is because the novels provide additional information or scope to the game stats of the modules, and part of it is that certain characters or concepts can now more fully be realized under the new rules than before. I think it will all be immediately recognizable material, but be prepared for a few surprises.
Cheers,
Cam
Originally posted by Nived
Durring Brother's in Arms he was too low level to take the PrC. He learned from a War Mage, but that doesn't make him a War Mage.
Im thinkin Warmage via Minatures Handbook, it's not a PrC, just a regular class.
Originally posted by person with the stuff
Im thinkin Warmage via Minatures Handbook, it's not a PrC, just a regular class.
That really wouldn't work for Raistlin, since the Warmage from Miniatures is a spontaneous arcane caster like the sorcerer, and at the time human sorcerers didn't exist and even if they had would have had no ability to cast spells.
Originally posted by jonesy
Fistandantilus had already possessed the souls of hundreds of mages without becoming a master of anything special, so no, it's not just a title or monicker. And if it had been just a title Raistlin would never have been able to retake the tower of Palanthas. It has to be something special. If it weren't, then that would be ludicrous.
Edit:
Also, by being the Master of Past and Present Raistlin was able to do something that not even the gods were able to do (which was finding Krynn's new location in the timestream after it had been stolen).
It was only a title. Fistandantilus was the Master of the Past and Raistlin was the Master of the Present (ie the most powerful mage on Ansalon). In DoSD Raist finally figured out that he was a man that possesed The Master of the Past's soul. Raistlin then became the Master of the Present by preventing the Dark Queens entry and by becoming the most powerful mage in the Present The curse on the Tower in Palanthas said that only The Master of the Past and Present would be able to reopen the Tower and because Raistlin possesed both his and Fisty's soul he fit the bill. Being the Master of Past and Present gives you no special insight into the past or any special abilities that I saw. Raistlin still had to do historical research, still had the Curse of the Magi, still needed Dalamar to find out what happened that led Fistandantilus to Skullcap. Being the Master of Past and Present lent him no special abilities that any other mage had. As far as finding the world, he didn't exactly find it, he found Tas. Tas in turn found Krynn's past.
Originally posted by iltharanos
The specifics of the spell are located in the web preview on dragonlance.com, suffice it to say that it is much easier to send someone back in time with the spell than to go forward in time as Raistlin did.
It would seem to me to be a flaw of the spell. Perhaps they meant 1 year in advance of your original time.
As it stands, a wizard can't travel back in time very far without being stuck there. It seems to make their "for study" idea of the spell being pretty useless.
Meanwhile, you can still jump ahead in time a few years, then return to wreack the benefit of your foreknowledge.
Originally posted by VoceNoctum
It would seem to me to be a flaw of the spell. Perhaps they meant 1 year in advance of your original time.
As it stands, a wizard can't travel back in time very far without being stuck there. It seems to make their "for study" idea of the spell being pretty useless.
Meanwhile, you can still jump ahead in time a few years, then return to wreack the benefit of your foreknowledge.
Even then, Fisty cast the spell to move himself, Pheragas, and Denubis forward the same amount of time Raist did, except his original time was the Cataclysm. Which still puts Fisty at CL 39-ish. Since Raistlin fuses with Fisty, that would make him around that level as well.
Originally posted by VoceNoctum
It would seem to me to be a flaw of the spell. Perhaps they meant 1 year in advance of your original time.
As it stands, a wizard can't travel back in time very far without being stuck there. It seems to make their "for study" idea of the spell being pretty useless.
Meanwhile, you can still jump ahead in time a few years, then return to wreack the benefit of your foreknowledge.
They did account for this problem through the use of artifacts, namely the Device of Time Journeying.
EDIT: Such artifacts are essential, since the only ones that know the Timereaver spell are the Masters of the Towers.
the boodstone is an uber artifact that sucks the magical power and life force out of a person. that's why raist used on fist instead of slitting his throat or something. he wanted fist's power added to his own.
the fan consensus is that Fist was at level 23 he got this past the eighteen barrier by sucking out a decent apprentice after so many years. he didn't need to do it that often. raist used it to suck fist dry and raist was known to be at 20 at the end of teh war. (of the lance). combineing their levels of power would make raist lv43. munchkinish I know, but that's why stats for the bloodstone have never been made. if they do they'll water it down like crazy. and raist was a prestige war mage. they invented the prestige class from the Brothers in arms novel and mention raist by name in the class description.
there might not be a template or prestige class for mopap (master of past and present) but there should be one for being a master of a tower. one gets the silver key and the spell book of the tower containing spells forbidden to low levels (in fact it would drive them mad looking at them)
And yes raist is tricky, but ya hafta remember Tak threw her whole abyssal army at him. playing mental poker might work on a single opponent, but defeating the abbyssal hordes of fiends and every petitioner she's ever had is going to require some real epic spellcasting the likes of which Malis and even Elminster would cringe like monkeys to see. Raist has always had the unofficial title of haveing the most NPC character levels of any ohter.
Originally posted by iltharanos
They did make stats for the Bloodstone of Fistandantilus, back in the Dragonlance Adventures hardcover. According to that book, if you were lower level and managed to successfully used it on a higher level mage, then your level increased to match that of your victim.
Huh? Then what exactly would have been the benefit for Fist according to those stats when everyone else was lower level then him?
Originally posted by jonesy
Huh? Then what exactly would have been the benefit for Fist according to those stats when everyone else was lower level then him?
The benefit is that the amulet also lets Fisty replace any of his stats with any of the victim's stats that are higher. There's also the nice added benefit that Fisty now has a fresh young body that should last him for another few decades before he has to dispose of it and get another new body.
Originally posted by iltharanos
The benefit is that the amulet also lets Fisty replace any of his stats with any of the victim's stats that are higher. There's also the nice added benefit that Fisty now has a fresh young body that should last him for another few decades before he has to dispose of it and get another new body.
Oh. Neat. Now it just sounds like Fist had quite low stats for having an artifact like that in his possession.
Originally posted by jonesy
Oh. Neat. Now it just sounds like Fist had quite low stats for having an artifact like that in his possession.
Yeah, you figure after a millenia of killing young mages he'd have found some mage that wasn't weak, clumsy, and frail. Of course, the new body he acquires would still be subject to the ravages of old age, so that would help explain any low physical stats (a venerable character has -6 to Str, Dex, and Con).
Originally posted by iltharanos
Yeah, you figure after a millenia of killing young mages he'd have found some mage that wasn't weak, clumsy, and frail. Of course, the new body he acquires would still be subject to the ravages of old age, so that would help explain any low physical stats (a venerable character has -6 to Str, Dex, and Con).
Ewwwwww! Coupled with Raist's already lower than average Str and Con, even before the test, that must have hurt him pretty badly. Didn't raist have like a 6-8 in each score pre-test???
Originally posted by Amaron Blackthorn
Why would he be a Loremaster?
He was quite knowledgeable on just about everything. You throw it in there to represent his vast knowledge, just as you give him War Mage PrC, because some people called him one(even though he never utilized any of the classed special abilities). I think Loremaster fits gim much better than War Mage myself. I never saw Raistlin as a front-line combatant. He was always working behind the scenes, manipulating things, never directly facing the enemy.
And does anyone know where the damn thing went? it was never mentioned again!
And no one can still deny the sheer amount of levels it would take to destroy Tak's personal army. I'm thinkin' the popular fan level is the best one until the war of the lance book comes out. And even then, it probably will show Raist as the 20 level ruler of the tower, before his jaunt into the past...
Originally posted by Ares
And does anyone know where the damn thing went? it was never mentioned again!
I just figured Raistlin wore it after defeating Fisti. So, that would mean he probably still has it.
The real mystery is, where is the Staff of Magius.
As for Raistlin's stats...well, he'll probably be Level 1 in ToHS and maybe Level 6 or so in WotL and at the height of his power (whatever that means...Level 25 or so?) in the Legends based book.
Personally...I kind of like how the Stargate SG-1 book handles it. Each character has a Low, Mid, and High level stat block.
The real mystery is, where is the Staff of Magius.
Wasn't that passed to Palin or did he lose it as well?
Originally posted by Sysane
Wasn't that passed to Palin or did he lose it as well?
But Palin gave it back to Raistlin at the end of Dragons of Summer Flame...but now we know it wasn't Raistlin, but Takhisis in Raistlin guise. Then Dalamar seemed to have it...although that was probably just a literary mistake on Rabe's part.
So who knows where it is now.
You know, somewhere there is a demi plane called "the junkyard of lost artifacts" and both of them are next to each other on top of a big heap of SAGAS books
SAGA's DL books, while not everyone's taste rulewise, were indeed the most informative of all Dragonlance supplements...until of course we got the DLCS and its subsequent supplements.
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The real mystery is, where is the Staff of Magius.
Wasn't that passed to Palin or did he lose it as well?
But Palin gave it back to Raistlin at the end of Dragons of Summer Flame...but now we know it wasn't Raistlin, but Takhisis in Raistlin guise. Then Dalamar seemed to have it...although that was probably just a literary mistake on Rabe's part. So who knows where it is now.
Well...if that's the case, then we might assume that it is within the Dark Tower of High Sorcery, along with all of Fistandantilus', Raistlin's, and Dalamar's old spellbooks. As far as the Bloodstone...all paintings I ever saw of Raistlin post Legends had him wearing it, so I assume that he continued to do so.
Originally posted by Serena DarkMyst
Well...if that's the case, then we might assume that it is within the Dark Tower of High Sorcery, along with all of Fistandantilus', Raistlin's, and Dalamar's old spellbooks.
Yeah...that's true. Perhaps Takhisis gave it to him in the guise of the Shadow Sorcerer...for what need did Takhisis have of a worthless drained magic staff. But now that Solinari is back...the staff should recharge itself (since that's how the Staff of Magius regains its charges, via the moon light of Solinari, right?)
And yes raist is tricky, but ya hafta remember Tak threw her whole abyssal army at him
Ok drawing a complete blank here. What book did this happen in? For some reason I missed this. I always thought Raist had the potential to beat Tak but when he saw what the future would be like if he was a god he had a moral attack and stopped.
Unless of course it is assumed that he beat them because he saw in the future that he was a god and thus it is assumed he did.
Then again I shamefully admit a lack of reading in DL of all the side books. I have just read alot of the main ones. I thought I caught everything with Raist in it but I could be wrong.
Edit: Also I agree that Raist was cunning but I always thought of him as being able to blow a city to pieces as well
Originally posted by Arilien Magefire
Ok drawing a complete blank here. What book did this happen in? For some reason I missed this. I always thought Raist had the potential to beat Tak but when he saw what the future would be like if he was a god he had a moral attack and stopped.
From Test of the Twins, Raistlin talking to Crysania:
I must challenge the Queen, fight my final battle with her minions. Then, when I have won, I must return to the Portal and enter it before anyone has a chance to stop me.
That, and other passages in the Legends trilogy discuss Raistlin fighting Tak's minions, among there number dark clerics, dark wizards, and presumably devils/demons/etc.
My true beef personally is that Dragonlance in the past have severely underpowered their mages. There are about 100 mages in Forgotton Realms suppliments that are higher in class level than all of the Dragonlance mages with the possible exception of Fistandantillus and Raistlin (and maybe Galan Dracos).
On the reverse side, FR severly underrates their warriors whereas if you take a look through the 2nd edition Dragonlance Campaign Setting book, there are a ton of high level fighters in the geography section.
Originally posted by Amaron Blackthorn
When was it revealed that Taki took Raistlin's form and took the Staff of Magius? Was that in the background information in the original edition of Dragons of a Vanished Moon?
Last chapter of DoSF. Where Raist and Fizban appear before Palin and explain what "happened".
Originally posted by Arilien Magefire
Edit: Also I agree that Raist was cunning but I always thought of him as being able to blow a city to pieces as well
I never said he couldn't blow up cities, but the only time you truly see him wielding uber-destructive magic is when he fights Tak's minions. Well, we really never see himdo it, but it's inferred by the fact that he manages to leave the Abyss. Sure he would always cast a few damage inducing spells but most of the time he used his magic to aid and protect. Of course we don't see much of him from the time he leaves everyone on the boat out of Flotsom to the reception of the dragon armies in Nearka.
One thing I don't get is, why when he was in the Abyss he wasn't transported to the Gate when he thought about it, instead of being dumped a zillion miles away from it. Unless it has to do with the "you get what you wish for, but not what you want" twist.
Originally posted by Koranith
I never said he couldn't blow up cities, but the only time you truly see him wielding uber-destructive magic is when he fights Tak's minions.
Well there is the moment in Legends when he decimates the plague village.
Originally posted by jonesy
Well there is the moment in Legends when he decimates the plague village.
He's more or less euthanisizing the village in that case. A mercy killing if you please. I think, even though he wear's the black robes, there's still a sturggle within him to do right. I'm not totally sure he wanted to become a god just to become powerful, I think he wanted to help people and set right what he deemed the gods had done wrong. Unfortunately he wanted more, as the old saying goes, "Absolute power corrupts absolutely". As I stated he rarely uses his magic to cause bodily harm, except in Dalamar's case. Perfect example...at the Dargonarmies procession before the Tak, he uses his magic to dispel Ariakas magical defenses so Tanis can kill him, rather than take him on himself. In the Abyss he used Crysania to handle as much of Taks forces until she fell, reserving his power for later. I personally don't think he was a War Mage, but a very very powerful and cunning mage, who used others to do his dirty work and only fought one-on-one when he had to.
Originally posted by Koranith
Last chapter of DoSF. Where Raist and Fizban appear before Palin and explain what "happened".
It is then later determined/realized that that was not Raist and Fizban...but in fact, Takhisis in disguise. (Dragons of a Vanished Moon)
It is then later determined/realized that that was not Raist and Fizban...but in fact, Takhisis in disguise. (Dragons of a Vanished Moon)
Basically an excuse to undo the 5th age stuff. Good cover up ;)
Originally posted by Sysane
Basically an excuse to undo the 5th age stuff. Good cover up ;)
That'd be an accurate statement if the 5th age stuff had been undone...but it wasnt. For me it makes the story much larger and Takhisis' plans finally seem on a godlike level.
That'd be an accurate statement if the 5th age stuff had been undone...but it wasnt. For me it makes the story much larger and Takhisis' plans finally seem on a godlike level.
Maybe undo wasn't the best word. But I think it was done to fix DL and bring it back to its old glory. A lot of fans weren't thrilled about 5th age stuff.
I thought it was alright myself but am glad that the gods are back and all the other things that made DL what it was.
Originally posted by Sysane
I thought it was alright myself but am glad that the gods are back and all the other things that made DL what it was.
That's fine and all...but I thought it was really...well...dumb how some stuff was changed. The most annoying thing, though, is that if one does not have the hard back version of DoaVM, there is still no explination on who the Shadow Sorcerer was (except for the idea that she was the Red Emissary) or why Fizban lied to Palin at the end of DoSF.
War of Souls just does not fit very nicely with anything from DoSF and through out the 5th Age. It's kind of jarring to read it, for a fan of the 5th Age.
War of Souls just does not fit very nicely with anything from DoSF and through out the 5th Age. It's kind of jarring to read it, for a fan of the 5th Age.
I'll admit that its does appear to be an attempt to "back peddle" and fix things.
As far as Fizban and Raistlin lying to Palin, as we found out later it was really Takhisis in disguise right after she stole the world. It wasn't actually Fizban and Raistlin. Whether or not it is another retcon or not really doesn't matter any more.
Now back to the topic at hand. I just looked at my copy of WoTL and ToHS that I got at GenCon and I don't see high level stats for Raist, but we do have Raist post Xak Tsaroth at 6th lvl. Fistandantilus is in there as a 22nd lvl character. I'm not giving stats because I don't know if I'm allowed to yet or not, as the book hasn't been offically released..
Originally posted by Koranith
I'm not giving stats because I don't know if I'm allowed to yet or not, as the book hasn't been offically released..
It's generally not a good idea to post stat blocks from books here. You can safely discuss class levels and choices, though, but any reprinting of copyright material is contrary to the Code of Conduct.
Cheers,
Cam
Originally posted by Koranith
Fistandantilus is in there as a 22nd lvl character.
Hmm. Does it say at what point in his career he is 22nd level?
Originally posted by iltharanos
Hmm. Does it say at what point in his career he is 22nd level?
Those stats are for his power during the early stages of the Kingpriest books, probably before he battled Raistlin.
Cheers,
Cam
Originally posted by Cam Banks
It's generally not a good idea to post stat blocks from books here. You can safely discuss class levels and choices, though, but any reprinting of copyright material is contrary to the Code of Conduct.
Cheers,
Cam
Thanks for the info *stuffs ToHS back in the bag* I'll try to remember that. :embarrass
Originally posted by Cam Banks
Those stats are for his power during the early stages of the Kingpriest books, probably before he battled Raistlin.
Cheers,
Cam
Interesting ... so a good four decades before the Cataclysm ... and who knows how long before he fought Raist.
Since the Master of Past and Present PrC is not in the Towers of High Sorcery, do you think that it might be released in the Legends sourcebook that is supposed to be coming out?
Normally I would say that The Master of Past and Present is only a title given to Raistlin/Fistandantilus and not an actual PrC. After seeing the Dragon Highlord given it's own PrC (which I think is a totally cool PrC by the way) I think The Master of Past and Present might be given it's own PrC in the Legends sourcebook, even though it's unique to only one person. The reason I say that it is unique to one person is that it would require one to posses the most powerful mages' soul from the past and be the most powerful mage of the present, which would require Fistandantilus' soul, which was already absorbed by Raistlin. Basically invalidating the PrC for anyone else.
By-the-by I love the new look of the forums.
Normally I would say that The Master of Past and Present is only a title given to Raistlin/Fistandantilus and not an actual PrC. After seeing the Dragon Highlord given it's own PrC (which I think is a totally cool PrC by the way) I think The Master of Past and Present might be given it's own PrC in the Legends sourcebook, even though it's unique to only one person. The reason I say that it is unique to one person is that it would require one to posses the most powerful mages' soul from the past and be the most powerful mage of the present, which would require Fistandantilus' soul, which was already absorbed by Raistlin. Basically invalidating the PrC for anyone else.
By-the-by I love the new look of the forums.
I have to disagree with you. Master of Past and Present should not be a PrC. I can see why the Dragon Highlords have their own PrC. Not only was it a title bestowed upon tham by the Queen of Darkness but it was also a position of leadership that anyone could attain if they had the moxy to. The Master of Past and Present doesn't present that opportunity to any other character other than Raistlin. Therefore I don't think it should be a PrC since only one person will ever be able to attain the prereqs for it. A PrC should be a class that anyone can within reason attain.
Simple. Make master of past and present a templae, just like master of the tower.
While that sounds like a great idea, again you run into the problem, that only Raistlin is the only person would can ever be Master of Past and Present. You could have a template, as I have suggested before, of a Merged Souls where two or more souls occupy the same body.
While that sounds like a great idea, again you run into the problem, that only Raistlin is the only person would can ever be Master of Past and Present. You could have a template, as I have suggested before, of a Merged Souls where two or more souls occupy the same body.
Who cares he's just an over-ego'd mage anyway. The only good thing about him was how he treated Bupu. The rest of the time he was a stick-in-the-mud that half the things he said didn't make sense or were just plain stupid.
Who cares he's just an over-ego'd mage anyway. The only good thing about him was how he treated Bupu. The rest of the time he was a stick-in-the-mud that half the things he said didn't make sense or were just plain stupid.
Your just upset because Raistlin is always mean and threatening Tasslehoff. By the way he kills Bupu in Legends.
Wasnt she blasted by lightning or didnt she starve to death or something like that? I dont think that he killed her directly.
While he didn't kill her directly, he did create the situation which lead to her death. That would be Manslaughter or 2nd Degree Murder or something like that then. It's been 10 years since my Crime and Law class. In any case he is responsible for her death whether directly or indirectly. Pendal has issues with the down-trodden being picked on.
While he didn't kill her directly, he did create the situation which lead to her death. That would be Manslaughter or 2nd Degree Murder or something like that then. It's been 10 years since my Crime and Law class. In any case he is responsible for her death whether directly or indirectly. Pendal has issues with the down-trodden being picked on.
I do not!!!
I just don't like to see people get made fun of and have their feeling hurt on purpose, that's all. Anyway I guess he did sort of kill her. I've watched enough Law and Order to know that when you create a situation that causes someone to die you go to jail.If you give Raist like 20 some levels than it would come out something like this.
Wiz5/ Black Robe 10/ War Mage2/ Arch5
Though I think that he should be around 26th level before he went back, I also think that Fistandantilus should be more powerful than 22 level. I am just trying to go by what the book says and make the two equal for the fight they have.
I am in the camp that thinks MoT&P should not be a PrC. It should grant him some handy abilities but not a PrC. Maybe it gives him access to the time domain and the ability to use spells from there like arcane spells. It could also give him a +1 to time like spells or something similar. It could grant him a natural SR or something like that, or maybe all. I mean they are powerful abilities but not a PrC. The Master of the Tower template already applies to him so he would get the divine spells, as long as he prepares them in the towers first, as arcane spells(Well from three domains anyway). Domains are powerful but so is a title like Master of the Past and Present and the SR just seems to go with it. I mean it would not really mess with his CR much but it would add to the character.
They probably were around equal level. Raistlin probably gained more power after he merged/absorbed Fistandantilus.
I just got the ToHS book and Fistandantilus is only a 22 level character in that. I am sort of ticked at that, I though he was going to be about 26 but oh well.
If you give Raist like 20 some levels than it would come out something like this.
Wiz5/ Black Robe 10/ War Mage2/ Arch5
Though I think that he should be around 26th level before he went back, I also think that Fistandantilus should be more powerful than 22 level. I am just trying to go by what the book says and make the two equal for the fight they have.
Originally posted by Cam banks:-
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Originally posted by iltharanos
Hmm. Does it say at what point in his career he is 22nd level?
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Those stats are for his power during the early stages of the Kingpriest books, probably before he battled Raistlin.
Cheers,
Cam