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#1 zombiegleemax Aug 20, 2004 8:31:07	I was reading through the old Wanderer's Journal and I got to a passage where it basically states that Templars very seldom reqest power from their Sorceror-Kings do to the "strain he places on both the SK and the land". (page 13) One can easily see that the book is assuming that the power from the SK is coming partially from defiling magic (Living vortices where still a twinkle in the eye of the novel writers). Has this passage ever been reconciled with the the living vortex theory(which is accepted as canon) or is it just assumed that the Wanderer was wrong in this case?
#2 Sysane Aug 20, 2004 8:48:46	I was reading through the old Wanderer's Journal and I got to a passage where it basically states that Templars very seldom reqest power from their Sorceror-Kings do to the "strain he places on both the SK and the land". (page 13) One can easily see that the book is assuming that the power from the SK is coming partially from defiling magic (Living vortices where still a twinkle in the eye of the novel writers). Has this passage ever been reconciled with the the living vortex theory(which is accepted as canon) or is it just assumed that the Wanderer was wrong in this case? I don't think they reprinted that info in the revised box set. I'm not positive on that though. Plus that makes no sense with the Vortices being a infinite source of power as stated in their description. It either states in DK or the revised box set that the SK grant spells to templars on a unconscious level.They pretty much are unaware of what templar is praying for what spell. That would tell me that it puts very little strain on the SK to grant spells.
#3 zombiegleemax Aug 20, 2004 10:29:57	I agree. "Takes a toll from the land/SK" does not seem to mesh well with the idea of the Vortices. I guess it was probably a mistake/assumption by the Wanderer in this case. Templars ARE in fact reluctant to use their power (like in the novels), but I do not believe that the above explanation (defiling) is the answer to that,
#4 Sysane Aug 20, 2004 11:16:59	Templars ARE in fact reluctant to use their power (like in the novels), but I do not believe that the above explanation (defiling) is the answer to that I think that could be simply explained that its their SKs wish that they don't squander their "gift" unless absolutely necessary. Helps keep them in line.
#5 dawnstealer Aug 20, 2004 11:27:40	It might also have something to do with the power of the spell being requested, too. Think of the SK as a conduit to the Inner Planes and their energies. If the SK is a doorway, they may not notice a few mice running through. However, if those few mice turned into a raging hippo, it would be noticed. In short, if a templar requested "Detect Magic," it would be an unconscious act to grant the spell. If the templar were to cast Resurrection, that's a whole different story, and may even weaken the SK as the power is channeled. This would be a good reason for SKs keeping the number of powerful templars (those above 15th level) low.
#6 Sysane Aug 20, 2004 11:30:40	It might also have something to do with the power of the spell being requested, too. Think of the SK as a conduit to the Inner Planes and their energies. If the SK is a doorway, they may not notice a few mice running through. However, if those few mice turned into a raging hippo, it would be noticed. Thats a good point. Actaully I think they point an example in DK or the DS revised box set as well.
#7 zombiegleemax Aug 20, 2004 12:40:37	Hmm... I'll look in DK and see if I can find anything like that. I think Dawnstealer's explanation might be a possible way of reconciling this idea. It still remains to be seen how the land is affected. Would the SK, having granted a powerful spell and feeling week, seek to replenish himself by a little (little being a relative term) defiling?
#8 Sysane Aug 20, 2004 12:48:30	Hmm... I'll look in DK and see if I can find anything like that. I think Dawnstealer's explanation might be a possible way of reconciling this idea. It still remains to be seen how the land is affected. Would the SK, having granted a powerful spell and feeling week, seek to replenish himself by a little (little being a relative term) defiling? I doubt it physically drians them as it more gets the SK's attention. "Hmmmmm, I wonder why templar Smith needs to cast Implosion?". I want to say that in 2e they stated that over a set level (5th?) spell is cast or prayed for the SK is aware of it. I could be wrong on this though.
#9 zombiegleemax Aug 20, 2004 12:50:52	I think I read something similar to that. I do not remeber where though... Templars where techincally dropped from the PC class lineup with the Revised edition, so information on spellcasting, I would think, is harder to garner.
#10 dawnstealer Aug 20, 2004 13:13:09	It might have been Dragon Kings or the original rules book. Unfortunately, all my stuff is packed, so it's out of my hands.
#11 Sysane Aug 20, 2004 13:43:34	I'll bust out my DS library and find that info later.
#12 zombiegleemax Aug 20, 2004 20:04:28	Originally posted by az_zel Templars where techincally dropped from the PC class lineup with the Revised edition, so information on spellcasting, I would think, is harder to garner. Actually they were just left out of the revised edition, not intentionally dropped. The file can be found here.
#13 jihun-nish Aug 21, 2004 19:20:37	Originally posted by Ablamar Actually they were just left out of the revised edition, not intentionally dropped. The file can be found here. Is this 3.5 vesion
#14 xlorepdarkhelm_dup Aug 21, 2004 20:50:51	No, it is 2E, released as a sort of "errata" to the DS Expanded Campaign Setting.