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#1
zombiegleemax
Aug 31, 2004 6:05:33 Ok, I'm running a campaign during the age of mortals but what has happened to Paladine?

I know he stepped down to keep power balanced with Takhisis, but I vaguely remember him being an Elven warrior these days, something like the name Varnious.

Anyone know what his new name is, what he is, and what he's supposesly doing these days?

Thanks!
#2
cam_banks
Aug 31, 2004 6:09:13 His new name is Valthonis, which is elven for "exile". He's not a warrior, at least he doesn't seem to be. He's a wandering pilgrim of sorts, with his own little band of companions and followers, but we haven't heard much more of him since.

Cheers,
Cam
#3
iltharanos
Aug 31, 2004 6:10:39 He's called Valthonis nowadays, and is currently a young elf. He has a gathering of people that follow him about known as the Faithful that protect Valthonis but do not actually worship him ... and this group of people often rights wrongs, then quietly slip away afterwards.
#4
zombiegleemax
Aug 31, 2004 6:46:59 Valthonis is, incidentally, the first elf to speak with an Austrian accent:

"Ah'll be back"
#5
zombiegleemax
Aug 31, 2004 15:29:51 I'd say Valthonis is a cleric of Mishakal or Kiri-Jolith. Unlike any other mortal, he has a blazing faith in the righteousness of Light and the necessity to fight Darkness. Valthonis would make one hell of a cleric. But he could also be a paladin, Krynn's only official paladin, some piece of his shorn divinity remaining within, acting as a latern to all who follow in his footsteps.

--me, I like the idea of Valthonis being the only true Krynnish paladin NB
#6
talinthas
Aug 31, 2004 16:06:01 if paladine absolutly must have a class, i say make him a mystic =)
#7
Nived
Aug 31, 2004 16:15:20 I firmly believe he's a first level commoner.
#8
zombiegleemax
Aug 31, 2004 16:17:26
if paladine absolutly must have a class, i say make him a mystic =)

Why would Valthonis not have a character class? I mean, really. No longer is he Paladine, the Lord of Light, King of the Gods of Good and Ruler of the Dome of Creation. Gone are the wonders and miracles that were once second-nature to him. No longer is he an infinite being, filled with quasi-omnipotent power.

Nowadays, he's just an elf named Valthonis. He's mortal, just like the rest of the peoples of Krynn. Oh, he's long-lived, to be certain; as a young elf, he has at least 4 or 5 centuries ahead of him. But the cosmic prowess that was once his to command is no longer his to command. He's just a man, now.

To be specific, he's an adventurer. Thus, logic follows as such: Valthonis is an adventuring mortal. Adventuring mortals have character classes. Thus, Valthonis would have a character class, levels in that class, and he might very well opt to multiclass at some point.

--and I still see Valthonis as the one and only paladin of Krynn NB
#9
zombiegleemax
Aug 31, 2004 16:19:22
I firmly believe he's a first level commoner.

Valthonis is an adventurer, working to right wrongs and all that knightly jazz. Adventurers do not typically stay at 1st level, nor do they advance as commoners.

--use some simple common sense NB
#10
frostdawn
Aug 31, 2004 16:23:58 As long as they don't try to make him into another Elminster, ie the multi-class twinkie. I don't think I could stomach the FR groupies pointing fingers and calling shenanigans on a blatant copy of one of their mainstays. (aside from the elf vs human thing of course)
#11
iltharanos
Aug 31, 2004 16:30:23
As long as they don't try to make him into another Elminster, ie the multi-class twinkie. I don't think I could stomach the FR groupies pointing fingers and calling shenanigans on a blatant copy of one of their mainstays. (aside from the elf vs human thing of course)

If the FR groupies do start pointing fingers, you may want to point out the following elements of Dragonlance they've stolen:

-Halflings in the FR are now so close to being kender they may as well rename them as kender ... since when did they stop being fat, start wearing shoes, act fearless, and wear their hair in topknots?

-Gnomes in the FR went from earthy creatures that talked to burrowing animals to crazy inventors of steamwork that worship a god of inventions and crafts and live on an isolated island where they perform said tinkering ... um, yeah, real original ... wonder where they got that idea.
#12
zombiegleemax
Aug 31, 2004 16:34:57
As long as they don't try to make him into another Elminster, ie the multi-class twinkie. I don't think I could stomach the FR groupies pointing fingers and calling shenanigans on a blatant copy of one of their mainstays. (aside from the elf vs human thing of course)

I despise Elmonster. He's a tired, overdone NPC who is needs nothing more than to die. He has the power of a god, practically, and he sits on his sagely ass doing nothing with all that power. He's a waste of skin, and I will only read an Elminster novel that features said twinkish abomination dying a horrible death.

As for Valthonis, I seriously doubt they'd go that route. Sure, Valthonis was once a god; but he gave that up to save Krynn. His story is done, for the most part; all that really remains is a good trilogy by Weiss to finish him off, metaplot-wise.

Also, the whole point behind Paladine's transformation into a mortal elf was that he was giving up his quasi-omnipotence. It totally defeats the purpose of that sacrifice, if Valthonis became another quasi-godling supermage, of which Faerun seems to be drowning in.

--me, I love Krynn because it lacks such abundant super-beings NB
#13
Mortepierre
Aug 31, 2004 16:50:36
As for Valthonis, I seriously doubt they'd go that route. Sure, Valthonis was once a god; but he gave that up to save Krynn. His story is done, for the most part; all that really remains is a good trilogy by Weiss to finish him off, metaplot-wise.

On the other hand .. he could become a mage, rise in power to challenge the gods themselves and become one (again). Rumor has it a certain gold-skinned human pulled it off already (albeit in an alternate timeline) ...
#14
hatrel
Aug 31, 2004 17:47:53 Then again, Tak could be resurrected and he could go back to being himself....
#15
zombiegleemax
Aug 31, 2004 18:32:31
Then again, Tak could be resurrected and he could go back to being himself....

Reincarnated, I expect.

Its DL. No WAY are they killing off Fizban. A vacation for the old geezer? Perhaps.

Takhisis was getting boring, its time for Chemosh's star to rise. And after that...

In 2-3 years, the Takhisis nostalgia club will start forming and fans will be naming sweet cocktail drinks with multiple straws after her, wistfully...

Paladine didn't die and Her body was not seen buried. That's about as obscure a death as one needs.
#16
zombiegleemax
Aug 31, 2004 19:11:10
Then again, Tak could be resurrected and he could go back to being himself....

It's been clearly stated over and over and over, time and time and time again by the powers that be that Takhisis is dead. She's dead, no more, wouldn't stand up if you put 10,000V through her. She's not coming back and because she's not coming back neither will Paladine due to the whole Balance issue. Get over it and move on.

The whole resurrection thing has already been covered here as well. She's not coming back.
#17
Nived
Aug 31, 2004 19:51:34
Valthonis is an adventurer, working to right wrongs and all that knightly jazz. Adventurers do not typically stay at 1st level, nor do they advance as commoners.

--use some simple common sense NB

Well glancing at Age of Mortals, Chapter Five, page 195, column 2, paragraph 3, sentance 2, emphisis added "For thought Valthonis was once a god, he has no powers, except his overwhelming love of mankind."

This section on the fallen god also states that his godly knowledge is fading from him and what not. Ragaurdless of who he WAS he is NOW nothing special. He is, most likely, first level at best. As for what class? I doubt its a spellcasting class, because the focused ones would have him call to other gods, and I doubt he would (not even to his wife). He wouldn't be a primal caster since all the other gods seem to frown upon that.

Paladin? Maybe, also he wouldn't be the only one on Krynn. While the DLCS says they're exceedingly rare (even as adventurers go) the fact that Lightning Draconians have it as a FAVORED CLASS seems to contradict your opinion of their nonexistance.

I said Commoner because it would be the apitomy of 'nothing special' since it seems his band of protectors do most the saving and good deeds and what not. Though if he must have a PC class I would stay in the same vain and make him a fighter. He's a mortal now, just a mortal.
#18
zombiegleemax
Aug 31, 2004 19:59:02 Even though we haven't seen anything of him since his fall (ie...he's not mentioned anywhere else since DoVM, at tleast that I know of, beside the DLCS), and we know some time has passed since his loss of divinity he's probably more than a first level. I mean the wizards have already put the Conclacve back together and fought a battle vs renegades so we know a decent amount of time has passed, a year or so at least since DoVM. I'd give him like 2-5th level depending upon how busy he's been. I'd also say that he's either going to be a fighter, ranger, paladin, or even warrior.
#19
frostdawn
Sep 01, 2004 9:06:10 Ranger class has my vote. It's such a popular class with elves that it's almost cliche, and the fact that they wander the world and wilderness, it seems to fit. Maybe a few levels in noble or whatever it's called now. To reflect his temperance and wisdom and most likely willingness to diffuse ugly situations while doing good deeds with his merry band of followers. His godly wisdom may be fading, but his own moral code, and inner wisdom I would have to imagine are still very strong, and could be a strong asset to him. I dunno, just my $.02
#20
cam_banks
Sep 01, 2004 9:08:43 Valthonis only needs levels in the new master core class with sage as his primary focus. Wasn't that easy?

Cheers,
Cam
#21
zombiegleemax
Sep 02, 2004 18:02:06 The guy really doesn't have to worry about being attacked.

His sons agreed, at their fathers demand, to not protect him with their divine might and I assume he said the same to Mishkal but you know they will listen but twist it a little.

Its says in the ToHS that White Robes treat him with respect and offer him in any way possible, you know the knights of solamnia are going to have his back and the clerics of mishkal have him too. Not to mention hs other son has a hand in world of animals so he will do pretty good. I mean his divine family is not supposed to mess with him, but you know that they will do whatever they can to help him, using their mortal followers.

Attacking Paladine in his mortal guise will get you in alot of trouble with alot of people.

Its already stated that he has no divine powers anymore but I think he still has some class levels. No wizard levels and probably no cleric levels but he may have some others. Gods of Krynn never seemed to big on class levels.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
#1 zombiegleemax Aug 31, 2004 6:05:33	Ok, I'm running a campaign during the age of mortals but what has happened to Paladine? I know he stepped down to keep power balanced with Takhisis, but I vaguely remember him being an Elven warrior these days, something like the name Varnious. Anyone know what his new name is, what he is, and what he's supposesly doing these days? Thanks!
#2 cam_banks Aug 31, 2004 6:09:13	His new name is Valthonis, which is elven for "exile". He's not a warrior, at least he doesn't seem to be. He's a wandering pilgrim of sorts, with his own little band of companions and followers, but we haven't heard much more of him since. Cheers, Cam
#3 iltharanos Aug 31, 2004 6:10:39	He's called Valthonis nowadays, and is currently a young elf. He has a gathering of people that follow him about known as the Faithful that protect Valthonis but do not actually worship him ... and this group of people often rights wrongs, then quietly slip away afterwards.
#4 zombiegleemax Aug 31, 2004 6:46:59	Valthonis is, incidentally, the first elf to speak with an Austrian accent: "Ah'll be back"
#5 zombiegleemax Aug 31, 2004 15:29:51	I'd say Valthonis is a cleric of Mishakal or Kiri-Jolith. Unlike any other mortal, he has a blazing faith in the righteousness of Light and the necessity to fight Darkness. Valthonis would make one hell of a cleric. But he could also be a paladin, Krynn's only official paladin, some piece of his shorn divinity remaining within, acting as a latern to all who follow in his footsteps. --me, I like the idea of Valthonis being the only true Krynnish paladin NB
#6 talinthas Aug 31, 2004 16:06:01	if paladine absolutly must have a class, i say make him a mystic =)
#7 Nived Aug 31, 2004 16:15:20	I firmly believe he's a first level commoner.
#8 zombiegleemax Aug 31, 2004 16:17:26	if paladine absolutly must have a class, i say make him a mystic =) Why would Valthonis not have a character class? I mean, really. No longer is he Paladine, the Lord of Light, King of the Gods of Good and Ruler of the Dome of Creation. Gone are the wonders and miracles that were once second-nature to him. No longer is he an infinite being, filled with quasi-omnipotent power. Nowadays, he's just an elf named Valthonis. He's mortal, just like the rest of the peoples of Krynn. Oh, he's long-lived, to be certain; as a young elf, he has at least 4 or 5 centuries ahead of him. But the cosmic prowess that was once his to command is no longer his to command. He's just a man, now. To be specific, he's an adventurer. Thus, logic follows as such: Valthonis is an adventuring mortal. Adventuring mortals have character classes. Thus, Valthonis would have a character class, levels in that class, and he might very well opt to multiclass at some point. --and I still see Valthonis as the one and only paladin of Krynn NB
#9 zombiegleemax Aug 31, 2004 16:19:22	I firmly believe he's a first level commoner. Valthonis is an adventurer, working to right wrongs and all that knightly jazz. Adventurers do not typically stay at 1st level, nor do they advance as commoners. --use some simple common sense NB
#10 frostdawn Aug 31, 2004 16:23:58	As long as they don't try to make him into another Elminster, ie the multi-class twinkie. I don't think I could stomach the FR groupies pointing fingers and calling shenanigans on a blatant copy of one of their mainstays. (aside from the elf vs human thing of course)
#11 iltharanos Aug 31, 2004 16:30:23	As long as they don't try to make him into another Elminster, ie the multi-class twinkie. I don't think I could stomach the FR groupies pointing fingers and calling shenanigans on a blatant copy of one of their mainstays. (aside from the elf vs human thing of course) If the FR groupies do start pointing fingers, you may want to point out the following elements of Dragonlance they've stolen: -Halflings in the FR are now so close to being kender they may as well rename them as kender ... since when did they stop being fat, start wearing shoes, act fearless, and wear their hair in topknots? -Gnomes in the FR went from earthy creatures that talked to burrowing animals to crazy inventors of steamwork that worship a god of inventions and crafts and live on an isolated island where they perform said tinkering ... um, yeah, real original ... wonder where they got that idea.
#12 zombiegleemax Aug 31, 2004 16:34:57	As long as they don't try to make him into another Elminster, ie the multi-class twinkie. I don't think I could stomach the FR groupies pointing fingers and calling shenanigans on a blatant copy of one of their mainstays. (aside from the elf vs human thing of course) I despise Elmonster. He's a tired, overdone NPC who is needs nothing more than to die. He has the power of a god, practically, and he sits on his sagely ass doing nothing with all that power. He's a waste of skin, and I will only read an Elminster novel that features said twinkish abomination dying a horrible death. As for Valthonis, I seriously doubt they'd go that route. Sure, Valthonis was once a god; but he gave that up to save Krynn. His story is done, for the most part; all that really remains is a good trilogy by Weiss to finish him off, metaplot-wise. Also, the whole point behind Paladine's transformation into a mortal elf was that he was giving up his quasi-omnipotence. It totally defeats the purpose of that sacrifice, if Valthonis became another quasi-godling supermage, of which Faerun seems to be drowning in. --me, I love Krynn because it lacks such abundant super-beings NB
#13 Mortepierre Aug 31, 2004 16:50:36	As for Valthonis, I seriously doubt they'd go that route. Sure, Valthonis was once a god; but he gave that up to save Krynn. His story is done, for the most part; all that really remains is a good trilogy by Weiss to finish him off, metaplot-wise. On the other hand .. he could become a mage, rise in power to challenge the gods themselves and become one (again). Rumor has it a certain gold-skinned human pulled it off already (albeit in an alternate timeline) ...
#14 hatrel Aug 31, 2004 17:47:53	Then again, Tak could be resurrected and he could go back to being himself....
#15 zombiegleemax Aug 31, 2004 18:32:31	Then again, Tak could be resurrected and he could go back to being himself.... Reincarnated, I expect. Its DL. No WAY are they killing off Fizban. A vacation for the old geezer? Perhaps. Takhisis was getting boring, its time for Chemosh's star to rise. And after that... In 2-3 years, the Takhisis nostalgia club will start forming and fans will be naming sweet cocktail drinks with multiple straws after her, wistfully... Paladine didn't die and Her body was not seen buried. That's about as obscure a death as one needs.
#16 zombiegleemax Aug 31, 2004 19:11:10	Then again, Tak could be resurrected and he could go back to being himself.... It's been clearly stated over and over and over, time and time and time again by the powers that be that Takhisis is dead. She's dead, no more, wouldn't stand up if you put 10,000V through her. She's not coming back and because she's not coming back neither will Paladine due to the whole Balance issue. Get over it and move on. The whole resurrection thing has already been covered here as well. She's not coming back.
#17 Nived Aug 31, 2004 19:51:34	Valthonis is an adventurer, working to right wrongs and all that knightly jazz. Adventurers do not typically stay at 1st level, nor do they advance as commoners. --use some simple common sense NB Well glancing at Age of Mortals, Chapter Five, page 195, column 2, paragraph 3, sentance 2, emphisis added "For thought Valthonis was once a god, he has no powers, except his overwhelming love of mankind." This section on the fallen god also states that his godly knowledge is fading from him and what not. Ragaurdless of who he WAS he is NOW nothing special. He is, most likely, first level at best. As for what class? I doubt its a spellcasting class, because the focused ones would have him call to other gods, and I doubt he would (not even to his wife). He wouldn't be a primal caster since all the other gods seem to frown upon that. Paladin? Maybe, also he wouldn't be the only one on Krynn. While the DLCS says they're exceedingly rare (even as adventurers go) the fact that Lightning Draconians have it as a FAVORED CLASS seems to contradict your opinion of their nonexistance. I said Commoner because it would be the apitomy of 'nothing special' since it seems his band of protectors do most the saving and good deeds and what not. Though if he must have a PC class I would stay in the same vain and make him a fighter. He's a mortal now, just a mortal.
#18 zombiegleemax Aug 31, 2004 19:59:02	Even though we haven't seen anything of him since his fall (ie...he's not mentioned anywhere else since DoVM, at tleast that I know of, beside the DLCS), and we know some time has passed since his loss of divinity he's probably more than a first level. I mean the wizards have already put the Conclacve back together and fought a battle vs renegades so we know a decent amount of time has passed, a year or so at least since DoVM. I'd give him like 2-5th level depending upon how busy he's been. I'd also say that he's either going to be a fighter, ranger, paladin, or even warrior.
#19 frostdawn Sep 01, 2004 9:06:10	Ranger class has my vote. It's such a popular class with elves that it's almost cliche, and the fact that they wander the world and wilderness, it seems to fit. Maybe a few levels in noble or whatever it's called now. To reflect his temperance and wisdom and most likely willingness to diffuse ugly situations while doing good deeds with his merry band of followers. His godly wisdom may be fading, but his own moral code, and inner wisdom I would have to imagine are still very strong, and could be a strong asset to him. I dunno, just my $.02
#20 cam_banks Sep 01, 2004 9:08:43	Valthonis only needs levels in the new master core class with sage as his primary focus. Wasn't that easy? Cheers, Cam
#21 zombiegleemax Sep 02, 2004 18:02:06	The guy really doesn't have to worry about being attacked. His sons agreed, at their fathers demand, to not protect him with their divine might and I assume he said the same to Mishkal but you know they will listen but twist it a little. Its says in the ToHS that White Robes treat him with respect and offer him in any way possible, you know the knights of solamnia are going to have his back and the clerics of mishkal have him too. Not to mention hs other son has a hand in world of animals so he will do pretty good. I mean his divine family is not supposed to mess with him, but you know that they will do whatever they can to help him, using their mortal followers. Attacking Paladine in his mortal guise will get you in alot of trouble with alot of people. Its already stated that he has no divine powers anymore but I think he still has some class levels. No wizard levels and probably no cleric levels but he may have some others. Gods of Krynn never seemed to big on class levels.