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Dragon of Tyr

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#1
pneumatik
Aug 31, 2004 13:17:01 Where did the Dragon of Tyr come from? By Dragon of Tyr I mean the one statted out in the original boxed set that appears to be in its bestial phase. It isn't Borys. I had assumed at one point that it was the once-SK of Kalidnay, Kalid-ma, but the timeline has him being killed in the 174th king's age. So where did the Dragon of Tyr come from?

Pneumatik
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#2
dawnstealer
Aug 31, 2004 13:20:57 Borys is the Dragon of Tyr. The only other (known) creature that's even close is Dregoth.
#3
zombiegleemax
Aug 31, 2004 13:25:19 What Dawnstealer said. You can check out the official timeline to see where it's printed.
#4
pneumatik
Aug 31, 2004 13:51:36 Huh. I considered that Borys might be the Dragon of Tyr, but I thought she looked more like a traditional dragon, having undergone the complete transformation, while the Dragon of Tyr looked like a cross between a person and a traditional dragon. I don't have a lot of cannon material to refer too, though, so I'll accept that I'm wrong.

What's really weird (to me, at least) about Borys being the Dragon of Tyr is that the DoT is decribed as being feral and beastial, while I always thought Borys was very intelligent and, well, normal. Does she attack everyone she sees in the desert to keep people from following her around and finding out what the real deal is?

Pneumatik
#5
zombiegleemax
Aug 31, 2004 13:58:47 After his transformation, Boris descended into madness and rage. This lasted for over a King's age. After that, he started collecting slaves from the SK's as a means of keeping Rajaat in his prison.

I believe that is the Dragon Kings Accessory, it is specified that the picture on the cover is indeed only a mid-level Dragon. This might be contradicted later on, but based on that, you are not looking at a picture of the actual Dragon of Tyr. Probably the "Valley of Dust and Fire" or "City by the Silt Sea" cover is closer to reality.
#6
pneumatik
Aug 31, 2004 14:22:42 I'm basing my question off of the dragon described in the back of one of the books in the orginal boxed set. I believe (I'll have to check the books when I get home) that it was described as some sort of skinny, spindly-legged dragon. I'm pretty sure it was also described as being a rampaging, violent beast that destroyed whole villages and tribes for no reason.

Pneumatik
#7
zombiegleemax
Aug 31, 2004 16:35:12 First, Borys is male.

2nd, he did indeed cause alot of rampant destruction. Why? Because he could. It demonstrated his power to the other SKs and kept things in check. He was in fact quite intelligent (as any master of arcane magic and psionics would be), but that doesn't mean he had to have a little chat and tea time with the villagers before he sacked the place. Then there's also the presumption that he had ulterior motives for his actions; that it was not so much as random slaughter, but calculated attacks designed for a specific purpose. Perhaps it was to wipe out a known preserver, or some other force of opposition (and destroy any who may have been in cohorts with him), or perhaps he was also slave harvesting, building up for the yearly levy to keep Rajaat imprisoned, or perhaps it was to keep cultures from gaining too much of a foothold outside the city-states, keeping the cattle penned up so to speak. The idea that he was simply a savage beast would easily come from those who knew little about who and what the Dragon really was, since their only interaction with him would have come from one of his assaults.

As for the description of Borys, there are several and yes, the descriptions conflict. The stats presented are for Borys, the Dragon of Tyr. The novels describe him a bit differently though, and so does the depiction on him on the cover of Velley of Dust and Fire. Once the search feature is back up, there's a few older threads about inconsistancies, one of which was about the actual appearence of Borys as the Dragon of Tyr and contains a few more source references.
#8
pneumatik
Sep 01, 2004 10:46:32
As for the description of Borys, there are several and yes, the descriptions conflict. The stats presented are for Borys, the Dragon of Tyr. The novels describe him a bit differently though, and so does the depiction on him on the cover of Velley of Dust and Fire. Once the search feature is back up, there's a few older threads about inconsistancies, one of which was about the actual appearence of Borys as the Dragon of Tyr and contains a few more source references

If the original boxed set has Borys' stats in the back, he got screwed. He's /way/ short on hp's, HD, and psionicist levels.

Pneumatik
#9
xlorepdarkhelm_dup
Sep 01, 2004 12:47:48
If the original boxed set has Borys' stats in the back, he got screwed. He's /way/ short on hp's, HD, and psionicist levels.

Pneumatik

I basically work on it along the lines that Borys ended up skipping much of the metamorphosis when he was made into "The Dragon" - as such, he's technically under-developed, and rather than looking like a full dragon, he looks like some bizarre mix between human and dragon. As he kept developing in levels afterwards, he was able to increase his size, but never able to develop things like wings (however, magically, he could produce wings if he desired).

Dregoth, on the other hand, hasn't skipped past anything, and was on the verge of becoming a much more powerful dragon than Borys ever was, but he got killed, and that's added a kink into his who plans to become a full-on dragon himself.
#10
pringles
Sep 02, 2004 17:14:51 The reason is simple.

When the first box was made, the dragon was just a dragon, not Borys. Later on, when they made the other book, they changed that, so that why there inconsistencies.

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#1 pneumatik Aug 31, 2004 13:17:01	Where did the Dragon of Tyr come from? By Dragon of Tyr I mean the one statted out in the original boxed set that appears to be in its bestial phase. It isn't Borys. I had assumed at one point that it was the once-SK of Kalidnay, Kalid-ma, but the timeline has him being killed in the 174th king's age. So where did the Dragon of Tyr come from? Pneumatik -------------- too new here to have a sig
#2 dawnstealer Aug 31, 2004 13:20:57	Borys is the Dragon of Tyr. The only other (known) creature that's even close is Dregoth.
#3 zombiegleemax Aug 31, 2004 13:25:19	What Dawnstealer said. You can check out the official timeline to see where it's printed.
#4 pneumatik Aug 31, 2004 13:51:36	Huh. I considered that Borys might be the Dragon of Tyr, but I thought she looked more like a traditional dragon, having undergone the complete transformation, while the Dragon of Tyr looked like a cross between a person and a traditional dragon. I don't have a lot of cannon material to refer too, though, so I'll accept that I'm wrong. What's really weird (to me, at least) about Borys being the Dragon of Tyr is that the DoT is decribed as being feral and beastial, while I always thought Borys was very intelligent and, well, normal. Does she attack everyone she sees in the desert to keep people from following her around and finding out what the real deal is? Pneumatik
#5 zombiegleemax Aug 31, 2004 13:58:47	After his transformation, Boris descended into madness and rage. This lasted for over a King's age. After that, he started collecting slaves from the SK's as a means of keeping Rajaat in his prison. I believe that is the Dragon Kings Accessory, it is specified that the picture on the cover is indeed only a mid-level Dragon. This might be contradicted later on, but based on that, you are not looking at a picture of the actual Dragon of Tyr. Probably the "Valley of Dust and Fire" or "City by the Silt Sea" cover is closer to reality.
#6 pneumatik Aug 31, 2004 14:22:42	I'm basing my question off of the dragon described in the back of one of the books in the orginal boxed set. I believe (I'll have to check the books when I get home) that it was described as some sort of skinny, spindly-legged dragon. I'm pretty sure it was also described as being a rampaging, violent beast that destroyed whole villages and tribes for no reason. Pneumatik
#7 zombiegleemax Aug 31, 2004 16:35:12	First, Borys is male. 2nd, he did indeed cause alot of rampant destruction. Why? Because he could. It demonstrated his power to the other SKs and kept things in check. He was in fact quite intelligent (as any master of arcane magic and psionics would be), but that doesn't mean he had to have a little chat and tea time with the villagers before he sacked the place. Then there's also the presumption that he had ulterior motives for his actions; that it was not so much as random slaughter, but calculated attacks designed for a specific purpose. Perhaps it was to wipe out a known preserver, or some other force of opposition (and destroy any who may have been in cohorts with him), or perhaps he was also slave harvesting, building up for the yearly levy to keep Rajaat imprisoned, or perhaps it was to keep cultures from gaining too much of a foothold outside the city-states, keeping the cattle penned up so to speak. The idea that he was simply a savage beast would easily come from those who knew little about who and what the Dragon really was, since their only interaction with him would have come from one of his assaults. As for the description of Borys, there are several and yes, the descriptions conflict. The stats presented are for Borys, the Dragon of Tyr. The novels describe him a bit differently though, and so does the depiction on him on the cover of Velley of Dust and Fire. Once the search feature is back up, there's a few older threads about inconsistancies, one of which was about the actual appearence of Borys as the Dragon of Tyr and contains a few more source references.
#8 pneumatik Sep 01, 2004 10:46:32	As for the description of Borys, there are several and yes, the descriptions conflict. The stats presented are for Borys, the Dragon of Tyr. The novels describe him a bit differently though, and so does the depiction on him on the cover of Velley of Dust and Fire. Once the search feature is back up, there's a few older threads about inconsistancies, one of which was about the actual appearence of Borys as the Dragon of Tyr and contains a few more source references If the original boxed set has Borys' stats in the back, he got screwed. He's /way/ short on hp's, HD, and psionicist levels. Pneumatik
#9 xlorepdarkhelm_dup Sep 01, 2004 12:47:48	If the original boxed set has Borys' stats in the back, he got screwed. He's /way/ short on hp's, HD, and psionicist levels. Pneumatik I basically work on it along the lines that Borys ended up skipping much of the metamorphosis when he was made into "The Dragon" - as such, he's technically under-developed, and rather than looking like a full dragon, he looks like some bizarre mix between human and dragon. As he kept developing in levels afterwards, he was able to increase his size, but never able to develop things like wings (however, magically, he could produce wings if he desired). Dregoth, on the other hand, hasn't skipped past anything, and was on the verge of becoming a much more powerful dragon than Borys ever was, but he got killed, and that's added a kink into his who plans to become a full-on dragon himself.
#10 pringles Sep 02, 2004 17:14:51	The reason is simple. When the first box was made, the dragon was just a dragon, not Borys. Later on, when they made the other book, they changed that, so that why there inconsistencies.