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#1
trippinskip
Sep 01, 2004 15:47:10 I know Silvanesti was betrayed towards the beginning of the WotL, but do any of you know wny books that details this out a bit, novel or game accessory? I know the Dalamar the Dark novel has some, but anything else? A lot of books mention it, but don't say much more than that. I also need more info based on when the Silvensti forest was corrupted by Lorac and the Dragon Orb / Cyan.

Thanks in advance.
#2
cam_banks
Sep 01, 2004 16:05:54
I know Silvanesti was betrayed towards the beginning of the WotL, but do any of you know wny books that details this out a bit, novel or game accessory? I know the Dalamar the Dark novel has some, but anything else? A lot of books mention it, but don't say much more than that. I also need more info based on when the Silvensti forest was corrupted by Lorac and the Dragon Orb / Cyan.

This is covered in the War of the Lance campaign sourcebook, due October 1st. There's a fairly detailed coverage of the war, the principal armies and units, the consequences and major battles of the campaign. It's a chunk of content.

Cheers,
Cam
#3
trippinskip
Sep 01, 2004 16:12:04 October 1st!! To far away ;) . That should help me out a bit then. I will have to look into that. I am getting a campaign together that will be run during that time and place, but could not find to much. I was thinking of looking through some of the onld DL AD&D books as well. I know my local gaming store has them to barrow, so I will have to check them out also.

Thanks
#4
zombiegleemax
Sep 01, 2004 20:44:50 Off the top of my head.....

1) The Speaker of the Star's, Lorac, made some sort of contact with the DragonArmy's, and made it clear the Silvanesti would stay out of the war.

2) Lorac knew the Dragonarmy's were not to be trusted. He had ships prepared to evacuate from Silvanesti should it come to that. There is some dispute, as in the DLCS, they said the Silvanesti retreated overland and not byy ship.

3) The DragonArmy's attacked. THe evacuation was ordered. I imagine the Green Dragon army probably did immense damage as they invaded, sacking whatever forces that were approaching.

4)I imagine House Protectorate and House Magus were the last two Silvanesti's to remain and defend, as they are the only ones that can probably stand against them, although I imagine the Silvanesti would do quite well at "hit and run/sniper attacks".

5) At some point, probably as the Dragon Army was approaching the capitol of the Silvanesti, Lorac ordered Alhana Starbreeze and whomever was left out of the country to rendevous with their people. At that time, he decided to use his DragonOrb.

6) According to the Silver Anniversary edition of the War of the Lance, there was one benefit of Lorac's use of the DragonOrb: It did drive away the Dragon Army. I imagine that Draconian Troops were the ones that were most effective while invading the Silvanesti and when they scattered at the sight of the Dragon Orb's power (ie, at the High Clerists Tower) and would never return. Without Draconians, the DragonArmy probably feared that their human and goblin and other troops would have no chance against "sniper'tactics of the Silvanesti and pulled them out (And I am sure the fear generated by the DragonOrb hurt too) . Similary, the books were clear that only one dragon was strong enough to withstand the power of the dragon orb: Cyan Bloodbane.
#5
wolffenjugend_dup
Sep 01, 2004 20:54:09 I believe there's a short story about the invasion of Silvanesti. There was no emphasis on draconians; IIRC the army was mostly human. The highlord was a female named Cairn (?) or something like that. She was killed and the army scattered. IIRC, the corruption of the forest caused madness in the invaders and caused them to flee.

p.s. My memory's a little hazy on this so I may not have all my facts straight, but that's the gist of it.
#6
trippinskip
Sep 01, 2004 21:00:59 Yeah, her name is Phair Caron, she was a higlord for a red dragon army, and her mount was Blood Gem. I have gathered info from Dalamar the Dark, or from an excerpt from it anyway. I am picking up that book tomarrow.
#7
zombiegleemax
Sep 01, 2004 22:07:33 DL 11 Dragons of Glory has The Fall of Silvanesti Scenario, which gives the Dragonarmies as the 1st, 2d and 3d Blue Flights and the 3d through 7th Red Flights and the newly organized Khuri-tarak forces from Khur as allies.
#8
zombiegleemax
Sep 02, 2004 1:04:27 I was under the impression that the Red Dragon army's focus was on Abanansina and Southern Ansalon; Blue Dragon Army was on Solamni; Black Dragon Army had North Eastern Ansalon, White Dragon Army had southern Ansalon; and Green Dragons had SouthEast Ansalon and thus had Silvanesti. And that the invasion of the Silvanesti and how it turned out resulted in Ariakas executing whomever was Dragon HighLord and either Sithias Khan or Lucien (i forget which was which) getting promoted to HighLord.
#9
wolffenjugend_dup
Sep 02, 2004 5:34:39 Maybe. There were dragon armies all over the place (Kitiara in Tarsis?). I take it to mean that the well known areas of control were where the dragonarmies settled, rather than who exactly was involved in all aspects of any particular campaign. I believe the red dragon highlord in question in Silvanesti went mad and killed herself, and was then replaced by Ariakas.
#10
cam_banks
Sep 02, 2004 6:06:29
Maybe. There were dragon armies all over the place (Kitiara in Tarsis?). I take it to mean that the well known areas of control were where the dragonarmies settled, rather than who exactly was involved in all aspects of any particular campaign. I believe the red dragon highlord in question in Silvanesti went mad and killed herself, and was then replaced by Ariakas.

Phair Caron was replaced as highlord in 350 AC by Verminaard, during the year of reorganization and regrouping Ariakas ordered. Ariakas never took direct control of any dragonarmy until the failure of Verminaard at Pax Tharkas, at which point he assumed full control of the Red Wing in later campaigns, assigning strategic initiatives to highmasters under his command.

The Red and Blue Wings were used extensively early on in the invasion of Ansalon; their roles and the overall timeline of the war itself are included in Chapter 5 of the War of the Lance sourcebook.

Cheers,
Cam
#11
zombiegleemax
Sep 02, 2004 6:28:03 One of the most prized of the magical items dealing with Silvanesti is the dragon orb. Are they updated anywhere in 3.5?
#12
cam_banks
Sep 02, 2004 7:42:23
One of the most prized of the magical items dealing with Silvanesti is the dragon orb. Are they updated anywhere in 3.5?

They're in Towers of High Sorcery.

Cheers,
Cam
#13
valharic
Sep 02, 2004 12:00:13
They're in Towers of High Sorcery.

Cheers,
Cam

Yeah, I just read about them lastnight in the ToHS book. I'd be terrified to use them, even as a high level mage. That's one artifact I'd just hide away if it ever came into my possesion.
#14
zombiegleemax
Sep 02, 2004 15:38:25 Wow, they must be really something to use. The dragon orb descriptions are just coming in when I will need them the most. My PCs are in a War of the Lance campaign and one half has arrived in Silvanesti while the others are on their way to the Icewall. TOMORROW THE BOOK WILL BE MINE. OH YES IT WILL BE MINE!
#15
cam_banks
Sep 02, 2004 15:43:35 My players have a dragon orb in my Key of Destiny-based Age of Mortals campaign. The half-janni aesthetic swashbuckler used it to dominate a blue dragon, while her companions distracted it long enough with attacks and taunts. Of course, now that she's used it, the fuse has been lit - big things are about to happen.

Cheers,
Cam
#16
zombiegleemax
Sep 02, 2004 15:47:40 Is the information on the history of each of the orbs presented in the Towers of High Sorcery book?
#17
valharic
Sep 02, 2004 17:04:15
Is the information on the history of each of the orbs presented in the Towers of High Sorcery book?

Didn't see it, just a sentence here and there about locations of them.
#18
zombiegleemax
Sep 02, 2004 17:50:56 Thanks for the inforamation V.
#19
zombiegleemax
Sep 02, 2004 19:56:12
Is the information on the history of each of the orbs presented in the Towers of High Sorcery book?

Not really. Just the history of their creation, their powers, and the fates of a few of them. It's very informative though.
#20
zombiegleemax
Sep 02, 2004 20:08:48

what if fate has it that your not meant too get it will you go on a killing rampage in your campaign "gulp"
#21
zombiegleemax
Sep 02, 2004 20:19:30
Maybe. There were dragon armies all over the place (Kitiara in Tarsis?). I take it to mean that the well known areas of control were where the dragonarmies settled, rather than who exactly was involved in all aspects of any particular campaign. I believe the red dragon highlord in question in Silvanesti went mad and killed herself, and was then replaced by Ariakas.

Now, as you recall, the Red Dragons were VERY suprised and even angry at first at the sight of the Blue Dragons 'in on their turf' when they were sacking Tarsis.
#22
zombiegleemax
Sep 02, 2004 20:23:36
Yeah, I just read about them lastnight in the ToHS book. I'd be terrified to use them, even as a high level mage. That's one artifact I'd just hide away if it ever came into my possesion.

I gotta disagree. If you are a high level mage, then that is EXACTLY what I believe were intended to operate the DragonOrb's.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
#1 trippinskip Sep 01, 2004 15:47:10	I know Silvanesti was betrayed towards the beginning of the WotL, but do any of you know wny books that details this out a bit, novel or game accessory? I know the Dalamar the Dark novel has some, but anything else? A lot of books mention it, but don't say much more than that. I also need more info based on when the Silvensti forest was corrupted by Lorac and the Dragon Orb / Cyan. Thanks in advance.
#2 cam_banks Sep 01, 2004 16:05:54	I know Silvanesti was betrayed towards the beginning of the WotL, but do any of you know wny books that details this out a bit, novel or game accessory? I know the Dalamar the Dark novel has some, but anything else? A lot of books mention it, but don't say much more than that. I also need more info based on when the Silvensti forest was corrupted by Lorac and the Dragon Orb / Cyan. This is covered in the War of the Lance campaign sourcebook, due October 1st. There's a fairly detailed coverage of the war, the principal armies and units, the consequences and major battles of the campaign. It's a chunk of content. Cheers, Cam
#3 trippinskip Sep 01, 2004 16:12:04	October 1st!! To far away ;) . That should help me out a bit then. I will have to look into that. I am getting a campaign together that will be run during that time and place, but could not find to much. I was thinking of looking through some of the onld DL AD&D books as well. I know my local gaming store has them to barrow, so I will have to check them out also. Thanks
#4 zombiegleemax Sep 01, 2004 20:44:50	Off the top of my head..... 1) The Speaker of the Star's, Lorac, made some sort of contact with the DragonArmy's, and made it clear the Silvanesti would stay out of the war. 2) Lorac knew the Dragonarmy's were not to be trusted. He had ships prepared to evacuate from Silvanesti should it come to that. There is some dispute, as in the DLCS, they said the Silvanesti retreated overland and not byy ship. 3) The DragonArmy's attacked. THe evacuation was ordered. I imagine the Green Dragon army probably did immense damage as they invaded, sacking whatever forces that were approaching. 4)I imagine House Protectorate and House Magus were the last two Silvanesti's to remain and defend, as they are the only ones that can probably stand against them, although I imagine the Silvanesti would do quite well at "hit and run/sniper attacks". 5) At some point, probably as the Dragon Army was approaching the capitol of the Silvanesti, Lorac ordered Alhana Starbreeze and whomever was left out of the country to rendevous with their people. At that time, he decided to use his DragonOrb. 6) According to the Silver Anniversary edition of the War of the Lance, there was one benefit of Lorac's use of the DragonOrb: It did drive away the Dragon Army. I imagine that Draconian Troops were the ones that were most effective while invading the Silvanesti and when they scattered at the sight of the Dragon Orb's power (ie, at the High Clerists Tower) and would never return. Without Draconians, the DragonArmy probably feared that their human and goblin and other troops would have no chance against "sniper'tactics of the Silvanesti and pulled them out (And I am sure the fear generated by the DragonOrb hurt too) . Similary, the books were clear that only one dragon was strong enough to withstand the power of the dragon orb: Cyan Bloodbane.
#5 wolffenjugend_dup Sep 01, 2004 20:54:09	I believe there's a short story about the invasion of Silvanesti. There was no emphasis on draconians; IIRC the army was mostly human. The highlord was a female named Cairn (?) or something like that. She was killed and the army scattered. IIRC, the corruption of the forest caused madness in the invaders and caused them to flee. p.s. My memory's a little hazy on this so I may not have all my facts straight, but that's the gist of it.
#6 trippinskip Sep 01, 2004 21:00:59	Yeah, her name is Phair Caron, she was a higlord for a red dragon army, and her mount was Blood Gem. I have gathered info from Dalamar the Dark, or from an excerpt from it anyway. I am picking up that book tomarrow.
#7 zombiegleemax Sep 01, 2004 22:07:33	DL 11 Dragons of Glory has The Fall of Silvanesti Scenario, which gives the Dragonarmies as the 1st, 2d and 3d Blue Flights and the 3d through 7th Red Flights and the newly organized Khuri-tarak forces from Khur as allies.
#8 zombiegleemax Sep 02, 2004 1:04:27	I was under the impression that the Red Dragon army's focus was on Abanansina and Southern Ansalon; Blue Dragon Army was on Solamni; Black Dragon Army had North Eastern Ansalon, White Dragon Army had southern Ansalon; and Green Dragons had SouthEast Ansalon and thus had Silvanesti. And that the invasion of the Silvanesti and how it turned out resulted in Ariakas executing whomever was Dragon HighLord and either Sithias Khan or Lucien (i forget which was which) getting promoted to HighLord.
#9 wolffenjugend_dup Sep 02, 2004 5:34:39	Maybe. There were dragon armies all over the place (Kitiara in Tarsis?). I take it to mean that the well known areas of control were where the dragonarmies settled, rather than who exactly was involved in all aspects of any particular campaign. I believe the red dragon highlord in question in Silvanesti went mad and killed herself, and was then replaced by Ariakas.
#10 cam_banks Sep 02, 2004 6:06:29	Maybe. There were dragon armies all over the place (Kitiara in Tarsis?). I take it to mean that the well known areas of control were where the dragonarmies settled, rather than who exactly was involved in all aspects of any particular campaign. I believe the red dragon highlord in question in Silvanesti went mad and killed herself, and was then replaced by Ariakas. Phair Caron was replaced as highlord in 350 AC by Verminaard, during the year of reorganization and regrouping Ariakas ordered. Ariakas never took direct control of any dragonarmy until the failure of Verminaard at Pax Tharkas, at which point he assumed full control of the Red Wing in later campaigns, assigning strategic initiatives to highmasters under his command. The Red and Blue Wings were used extensively early on in the invasion of Ansalon; their roles and the overall timeline of the war itself are included in Chapter 5 of the War of the Lance sourcebook. Cheers, Cam
#11 zombiegleemax Sep 02, 2004 6:28:03	One of the most prized of the magical items dealing with Silvanesti is the dragon orb. Are they updated anywhere in 3.5?
#12 cam_banks Sep 02, 2004 7:42:23	One of the most prized of the magical items dealing with Silvanesti is the dragon orb. Are they updated anywhere in 3.5? They're in Towers of High Sorcery. Cheers, Cam
#13 valharic Sep 02, 2004 12:00:13	They're in Towers of High Sorcery. Cheers, Cam Yeah, I just read about them lastnight in the ToHS book. I'd be terrified to use them, even as a high level mage. That's one artifact I'd just hide away if it ever came into my possesion.
#14 zombiegleemax Sep 02, 2004 15:38:25	Wow, they must be really something to use. The dragon orb descriptions are just coming in when I will need them the most. My PCs are in a War of the Lance campaign and one half has arrived in Silvanesti while the others are on their way to the Icewall. TOMORROW THE BOOK WILL BE MINE. OH YES IT WILL BE MINE!
#15 cam_banks Sep 02, 2004 15:43:35	My players have a dragon orb in my Key of Destiny-based Age of Mortals campaign. The half-janni aesthetic swashbuckler used it to dominate a blue dragon, while her companions distracted it long enough with attacks and taunts. Of course, now that she's used it, the fuse has been lit - big things are about to happen. Cheers, Cam
#16 zombiegleemax Sep 02, 2004 15:47:40	Is the information on the history of each of the orbs presented in the Towers of High Sorcery book?
#17 valharic Sep 02, 2004 17:04:15	Is the information on the history of each of the orbs presented in the Towers of High Sorcery book? Didn't see it, just a sentence here and there about locations of them.
#18 zombiegleemax Sep 02, 2004 17:50:56	Thanks for the inforamation V.
#19 zombiegleemax Sep 02, 2004 19:56:12	Is the information on the history of each of the orbs presented in the Towers of High Sorcery book? Not really. Just the history of their creation, their powers, and the fates of a few of them. It's very informative though.
#20 zombiegleemax Sep 02, 2004 20:08:48	what if fate has it that your not meant too get it will you go on a killing rampage in your campaign "gulp"
#21 zombiegleemax Sep 02, 2004 20:19:30	Maybe. There were dragon armies all over the place (Kitiara in Tarsis?). I take it to mean that the well known areas of control were where the dragonarmies settled, rather than who exactly was involved in all aspects of any particular campaign. I believe the red dragon highlord in question in Silvanesti went mad and killed herself, and was then replaced by Ariakas. Now, as you recall, the Red Dragons were VERY suprised and even angry at first at the sight of the Blue Dragons 'in on their turf' when they were sacking Tarsis.
#22 zombiegleemax Sep 02, 2004 20:23:36	Yeah, I just read about them lastnight in the ToHS book. I'd be terrified to use them, even as a high level mage. That's one artifact I'd just hide away if it ever came into my possesion. I gotta disagree. If you are a high level mage, then that is EXACTLY what I believe were intended to operate the DragonOrb's.