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#1 greyorm Sep 03, 2004 11:25:53	Subject moved from What Happened to Athas' Oceans? to engender seperate discussion. Grummore wrote:
#2 xlorepdarkhelm_dup Sep 03, 2004 11:54:06	I'm not repeating my statement I made in the other thread.
#3 zombiegleemax Sep 03, 2004 13:16:17	Well, when people design D&D worlds usually it goes something like this: I want this huge war that was so long ago that no one remembers it too well. Ok maybe 200 years ago? Oh wait, then most elves will have participated in it. Ok let's make that 3000 years. Now Athas doesn't have this problem exactly, because most races are shorter-lived. However they could have been long-lived in the Green Age and the designers are just used to making everything happen so far apart. I had this problem with my campaign world so I decided to do something about it. I turned 5000 years of history into 800 and just reduced the lifespan of all races to match up.
#4 zombiegleemax Sep 03, 2004 13:58:24	yup... i ended up doing something similar in my campaign, but I -extended- the time... cuz i wanted to keep elf lifespans long... ends up a bit 'wonky.'...
#5 Pennarin Sep 03, 2004 14:26:29	4500 years?? Does one of us has a doctored Timeline? Mine has no discrepency concerning this particular bit of info. The slaughters start right away. 144th King's Age (-3,542) -Priest's Contemplation Rajaat sends all but a few of his students away. Using the power of the Pristine Tower and the mysterious Dark Lens Rajaat creates his Champions. Each Champion is ordered to eliminate one specific race from the face of Athas in an effort to bring about the return of the Blue Age. The Cleansing Wars begin. 147th King's Age (-3,311) -King's Slumber Sacha of Arala, 1st Champion of Rajaat eliminates the last of the kobolds from the face of Athas.
#6 Kamelion Sep 03, 2004 17:11:52	My copy of the timeline reads the same as Penn's - no odd gaps there. Maybe greyorm has the Director's Cut...iirc, that's the one with the extended nudie scenes between Dregoth and Abalach-Re. Coolio.
#7 greyorm Sep 03, 2004 20:44:42	Does one of us has a doctored Timeline? Mine has no discrepency concerning this particular bit of info. The slaughters start right away. I'm going on the quote from the Revised ruleset that Ablamar provided in the Athas' Oceans thread; I don't have a copy of the Revised set, but he states the timeline there says the Champions are created around -8000 and the Cleansing Wars don't start until -3500. Hrm, the timeline I'm looking at right now doesn't have that 4500 year discrepancy either...um, can anyone verify Ablamar's quote from the revised ruleset? Maybe greyorm has the Director's Cut...iirc, that's the one with the extended nudie scenes between Dregoth and Abalach-Re. Coolio. Bah! Abalach-Re... Give me extended nude scenes of Lalai-Puy -- now THERE'S a real hottie! "Not only am I the president of the Lalai-Puy Is A Hottie Oh Yeah (LIAHOY) fan club, I'm also a client."
#8 Pennarin Sep 03, 2004 23:05:31	That's what I don't understand: what does a Ruleset have to do with it? As far as I know, actual dates only appear in the Timeline, which can be found on half a dozen sites. The Revised Campaign Setting Box, and The Wanderer's Chronicle in it, only states what I quoted on another thread: As the Pristine Tower channeled the sun's energy into the Champions, the yellow orb changed. It turned crimson and dark, signalling the beggining of a time of blood and death of unprecedented magnitude. It signaled the start of the Cleansing Wars. I'm in the dark on something important here, or someone made a mistake. EDIT: Oh wait, I get it! The thing found on pages 8 & 9 is not a date-by-date recounting of past events, but only a list of the major events, each listed bit of info is squeased between two dates. Damn, this is difficult to say. The -8,000 date does not list the things that happened on the year -8,000, but rather what happened from that date up to the next date, -3,500. Looking at the whole of pages 8 & 9 makes it clear that some events listed under one date would in fact take longer than one year to happen or complete. As for the validity of the dates themselves, the first event listed under the -8,000 date is Rajaat Discovers Magic (listed as -8,162 in the Timeline), and the first event under the -3,500 date is Rajaat Starts the Wars (listed as -3,542 in the Timeline). So its pretty cozy. There's just a lot of the Timeline that does not appear in pages 8 & 9 of The Wanderer's Chronicle.
#9 Kamelion Sep 04, 2004 2:49:40	That's what I don't understand: what does a Ruleset have to do with it? As far as I know, actual dates only appear in the Timeline, which can be found on half a dozen sites. The Revised Campaign Setting Box, and The Wanderer's Chronicle in it, only states what I quoted on another thread: I'm in the dark on something important here, or someone made a mistake. EDIT: Oh wait, I get it! The thing found on pages 8 & 9 is not a date-by-date recounting of past events, but only a list of the major events, each listed bit of info is squeased between two dates. Damn, this is difficult to say. The -8,000 date does not list the things that happened on the year -8,000, but rather what happened from that date up to the next date, -3,500. Looking at the whole of pages 8 & 9 makes it clear that some events listed under one date would in fact take longer than one year to happen or complete. As for the validity of the dates themselves, the first event listed under the -8,000 date is Rajaat Discovers Magic (listed as -8,162 in the Timeline), and the first event under the -3,500 date is Rajaat Starts the Wars (listed as -3,542 in the Timeline). So its pretty cozy. There's just a lot of the Timeline that does not appear in pages 8 & 9 of The Wanderer's Chronicle. So no nudie scenes? Bah!