Test of High Sorcery

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#1

zombiegleemax

Sep 08, 2004 12:08:34
I am not sure if I am doing this correctly and so I am going to ask for some input from those who are much wiser than I in these matters.

When I give a Test I usually give the player enough experience points to qualify for a level. The rational is that they are doing things by themselves which I think qualify for the experience points. The level that they take must be in the Wizard of High Sorcery PrC. So far I have given 4 tests. The outcomes so far have been 1 white robe, 1 red (wanted to be a white robe) and 2 blacks (1 wanted to be evil and the other, an elf wanted to be red but was just to bad to be neutrel).

Thanks for the input and advice.
#2

Sysane

Sep 08, 2004 12:33:15
I'd be very interested to hear what types/examples of the tests DM's have had their PC wizards do in order to become a WoHS.

I am stumped as to what to do for one of my PC wizards.

In short.........HELP!!!!!!!!!!
#3

theredrobedwizard

Sep 08, 2004 12:43:57
Tell us about your PCs personality, race, gender, and spell selection for more help...

-TRRW
#4

zombiegleemax

Sep 08, 2004 12:56:50
YES, Sysne, that information would be most helpful.
#5

Sysane

Sep 08, 2004 14:11:52
YES, Sysne, that information would be most helpful.

Well, he's a Silvanesti elf who was in a coma like state for 3 yrs. Something he is blaming Cyan Bloodbane for causing (haven't decided if this is really the case though). While in his coma he dreamed of a female elf which he had a romance with through out the 3 yrs.

When he finally woke from his state, with his father by his side, the elven healers beleived his coma was induced by a strange mark/wound on his shoulder. Even after being told he was unconscious for 3 yrs he beleived that love affair he dreamed of to be real.

He tried to convince his people that the women in his dream was real and that her voice was still calling to him, but they thought him to be crazy. His family decided to leave him in the care of a cleric who would help his "mental state". Basically he was locked away and labeled insane.

It wasn't until the minotaur fleet came to Silvinost that he had a chance to escape. He fought along side his people to save his land but in the end retreated as did the others. His father begged him to come with the rest of the elves but the voices of his "beloved" called to him. He went off on his own and followed the voice for months.

He finally found the source the voice and dreams amid a pile of elven bodies left over from the War of Souls. He found his beloved twisted and broken but turned to face her spirit.

The short of what the elven spirit tells him is that she was a female wizard's soul that lost her way until she found him in his coma/dream and gave her pupose again. She goes on to tell him about the coming darkness and that he needs to bring back the gift of magic to his people. She directs him to the city of Pashin (enter KoD) to begin his quest. Her final words to him are " For fill your destiny. I have marked you so the master(s) of the Tower will seek you out...."

This was my PC's background as written by him. Admittedly, an abridged version.


Any advice is welcome.
#6

zombiegleemax

Sep 08, 2004 15:09:45
That is a pretty interesting background for a character. Any chance that he will take on the Red Robes and take that dreamcaster PrC?
#7

Sysane

Sep 08, 2004 15:11:31
That is a pretty interesting background for a character. Any chance that he will take on the Red Robes and take that dreamcaster PrC?

I know that he intends to become Red, but I think he's going to intermingle War Mage as well.
#8

zombiegleemax

Sep 08, 2004 15:23:03
He doesnt mind the fact that he will be considered a renegade by the Silvanesti?
#9

Sysane

Sep 08, 2004 15:27:48
He doesnt mind the fact that he will be considered a renegade by the Silvanesti?

Why would they think he was a renegade?

Plus they already think he's insane due to the voices. Being a renegade would be the least of his problems.
#10

zombiegleemax

Sep 08, 2004 15:33:10
It states in the Towers of High Sorcery and the DLCS books that any elf that would wear any other color of robe than white is considered a dark elf by the elven people. Touched maybe? But that does not a dark elf make.

Maybe this dimension could be apart of his test?
#11

Sysane

Sep 08, 2004 15:38:08
It states in the Towers of High Sorcery and the DLCS books that any elf that would wear any other color of robe than white is considered a dark elf by the elven people. Touched maybe? But that does not a dark elf make.

Maybe this dimension could be apart of his test?

Hmmmm interesting point. I'll have to consider that.

But back to the question at hand. All I was looking was examples that other DMs have used as test for aspiring WoHS.
#12

zombiegleemax

Sep 08, 2004 15:44:22
A part of the Test states that there is to be a test of the indiviuduals morality. Here is a problem that people argue about in philosophy classes and might work out here as well, with a variaton of course:

PROBLEM: A group of people has gone to explore a cave and on the way out the way is blocked by a fat person who cannot squeeze out. The water levels begin to increase and the only way out is blocked by the innocent fat man. Do you blow him up, killing him and allowing everyone else to live or do you allow everyone else to die. Since his head is outside of the cave, he will not drown.

Hope this helps a bit.
#13

Sysane

Sep 08, 2004 15:56:13
Thats a good example. If you or anyone else has more let'm fly! :D
#14

zombiegleemax

Sep 08, 2004 16:01:16
the sad thing is that the two times I have put those scenarios in the Test, both mages killed the man. One of the mages became a Black Robe, more bad things than this were done, and the other a Red who might turn to Nuitari in the foreseeable future.

Glad to be of assistance.
#15

zombiegleemax

Sep 08, 2004 16:22:59
Ohhh i really love developing tests, as long as i don't have to design 2 and a knightly trial in one week (Damn you my players).

Anyway, with that character background story i can have lots of fun.... Muahahaha.

I'm assumeing that your running KOD, by the mention of it so thats what i'm going to use as my basis.

As your gamer adventures, at appropriate moments, have him constantly see his old lover, perhaps she is a random passerby on the streets who, when he approaches, turns out to be a random civilian who runs in terror from the crazed man, or perhaps a Dark Knight (If you want to be truely sadistic).

All thoughout his adventures torture him with these sights of his old lover, always a faqede, always a fake.

When he arrives in Al Khurmain and goes to have his test done, make sure to play this elemnt up heavily. The closer he gets to time to take his test, the more and more he see's her, only now she's always in pain, being attacked, mugged, something along those lines, and when he goes to help there is nothing. If he tries to attack someone attacking her have it be some random citizen in the way whom he fries (Once again, if you want to be truely evil).

Then, just as he approaches the tower where Zoe Left-Hand is in, fully throw him into the dream-world of the test, without ever letting him know it's changed.

When he enters the shop he finds a Silvanesti White Robe running the shop, unusual in the lands of Khur, but he may not notice. This particular White Robe remembers your player as being insane he gathers up his pride and tells your player that the orders have no room for idiot's and madmen, and that it would be best if he just quit now. have the white robe taunt and annoy him to the point of anger , and then, just as your player is about to lash out (if he is) Have the White robe suddenly appear to be his old Lover, saying the same taunts and insults, telling him he isn't fit for the orders.

Hopefuly this will defuse his anger and throw him into dispair, if he leaves, well then he does not have the determination to Join the orders, and should not be allowed to proceed. If he refuses to give in, then you can proceed to the next part.

Eventually he must convince his Lover/the Silvanesti Elf that he IS worthy of joining the orders, and that he will prove it. Design a dungeon of some kind for him to go though, with soime kind of Artifact or magic item that the Elf/Lover demands that he go aquire.

When he arrives in the room with the Arefact, he finds a theif, who looks quite like his old lover, stealing the artefact. However, make sure the theif has at least one large difference from her. This 'Theif" is in fact a renegade wizard, or perhaps a sorcerer. If he refuses to fight her, then he is not dedicated enough to magic, and when the Theif attempts to use it, it kills them both. If he manages to convince the theif to turn it over (Make it difficult), then he has taken one step tword earning the white robes, if he steals the artefact back, Red, if he kills/attacks the theif, black.

Either way when he returns to the tower he finds the Silvanesti Elf again, have his 'wife' come in during their conversation, a woman exactly like his lover again. He will go to do something, and she will begin to flirt with him, if he gives in, then he has betrayed the marriage trust, and that is certianly not a good action, and a very chaotic one. If he dosen't, have fun tortureing him as much as you want (Sadistic DM Syndrom, SDS, is a wonderful thing).

She will ask him to giver her the arefact, not her husband, telling him that her husband will simply hide it away among the shop, never to be seen again, while she will use it to help the elven people.

If she aquires it, have her betray him with it, in whatever manner you see fit. Force him to battle her, this woman he loves. Have her threaten the order of High Sorcery in one way or another, so he must choose between the magic and his love. When he defeates her, have her beg for mercy from him, and see where that goes. If he refuses, and kill her, he will find that he has killed the woman he loves. If he does not, the illusion will slip, and he will see that this was not the woman he loved, but insted the theif who tried to steal the artefact or, if he killed that theif, a random Silvanesti woman.

Whith all this done hopefully he has fulfilled the rquiremnts of the test (Loyalty to Magic, Fighting someone at least as skilled in magic as him (A.k.a. the woman at the end/theif), Many moral delemmas, Cast most, if not all, of his spells, betrayed by someone he trusts)

So, what do you think? I know it could use some refinement, as i made it up as i went, but in general, what do you think?
#16

zombiegleemax

Sep 08, 2004 16:26:37
That sounds like a great Test for this particular character.

No one has answered my original post that got this topic started though!
#17

Sysane

Sep 08, 2004 20:20:17
Not bad. I may steal some of that. What other Tests has DMs devised for their would be WoHS PCs?
#18

zombiegleemax

Sep 08, 2004 20:33:03
Ohhh i really love developing tests, as long as i don't have to design 2 and a knightly trial in one week (Damn you my players).

Anyway, with that character background story i can have lots of fun.... Muahahaha.

I'm assumeing that your running KOD, by the mention of it so thats what i'm going to use as my basis.

As your gamer adventures, at appropriate moments, have him constantly see his old lover, perhaps she is a random passerby on the streets who, when he approaches, turns out to be a random civilian who runs in terror from the crazed man, or perhaps a Dark Knight (If you want to be truely sadistic).

All thoughout his adventures torture him with these sights of his old lover, always a faqede, always a fake.

When he arrives in Al Khurmain and goes to have his test done, make sure to play this elemnt up heavily. The closer he gets to time to take his test, the more and more he see's her, only now she's always in pain, being attacked, mugged, something along those lines, and when he goes to help there is nothing. If he tries to attack someone attacking her have it be some random citizen in the way whom he fries (Once again, if you want to be truely evil).

Then, just as he approaches the tower where Zoe Left-Hand is in, fully throw him into the dream-world of the test, without ever letting him know it's changed.

When he enters the shop he finds a Silvanesti White Robe running the shop, unusual in the lands of Khur, but he may not notice. This particular White Robe remembers your player as being insane he gathers up his pride and tells your player that the orders have no room for idiot's and madmen, and that it would be best if he just quit now. have the white robe taunt and annoy him to the point of anger , and then, just as your player is about to lash out (if he is) Have the White robe suddenly appear to be his old Lover, saying the same taunts and insults, telling him he isn't fit for the orders.

Hopefuly this will defuse his anger and throw him into dispair, if he leaves, well then he does not have the determination to Join the orders, and should not be allowed to proceed. If he refuses to give in, then you can proceed to the next part.

Eventually he must convince his Lover/the Silvanesti Elf that he IS worthy of joining the orders, and that he will prove it. Design a dungeon of some kind for him to go though, with soime kind of Artifact or magic item that the Elf/Lover demands that he go aquire.

When he arrives in the room with the Arefact, he finds a theif, who looks quite like his old lover, stealing the artefact. However, make sure the theif has at least one large difference from her. This 'Theif" is in fact a renegade wizard, or perhaps a sorcerer. If he refuses to fight her, then he is not dedicated enough to magic, and when the Theif attempts to use it, it kills them both. If he manages to convince the theif to turn it over (Make it difficult), then he has taken one step tword earning the white robes, if he steals the artefact back, Red, if he kills/attacks the theif, black.

Either way when he returns to the tower he finds the Silvanesti Elf again, have his 'wife' come in during their conversation, a woman exactly like his lover again. He will go to do something, and she will begin to flirt with him, if he gives in, then he has betrayed the marriage trust, and that is certianly not a good action, and a very chaotic one. If he dosen't, have fun tortureing him as much as you want (Sadistic DM Syndrom, SDS, is a wonderful thing).

She will ask him to giver her the arefact, not her husband, telling him that her husband will simply hide it away among the shop, never to be seen again, while she will use it to help the elven people.

If she aquires it, have her betray him with it, in whatever manner you see fit. Force him to battle her, this woman he loves. Have her threaten the order of High Sorcery in one way or another, so he must choose between the magic and his love. When he defeates her, have her beg for mercy from him, and see where that goes. If he refuses, and kill her, he will find that he has killed the woman he loves. If he does not, the illusion will slip, and he will see that this was not the woman he loved, but insted the theif who tried to steal the artefact or, if he killed that theif, a random Silvanesti woman.

Whith all this done hopefully he has fulfilled the rquiremnts of the test (Loyalty to Magic, Fighting someone at least as skilled in magic as him (A.k.a. the woman at the end/theif), Many moral delemmas, Cast most, if not all, of his spells, betrayed by someone he trusts)

So, what do you think? I know it could use some refinement, as i made it up as i went, but in general, what do you think?

Very interesting, Teclis!! I will have to consider that.

Oh, btw, I love seeing ADnD posters whose name are after someone from the WarHammer Fantasy campaign. I liked Teclis the characters so I am glad to see you hear.
#19

zombiegleemax

Sep 09, 2004 4:10:32
Personally, I loved Raistlin's test in Soulforge...I will NOT spoil it, but it was totally not what I was expecting. It was better!
#20

zombiegleemax

Sep 09, 2004 11:23:42
It was great that Margaret went into more detail in the Soulforge than in the short story, the Test of the Twins. The Soulforge is one of my favorite novels of all time!!
#21

DarkCrisis77

Sep 09, 2004 12:14:23
How about a test(s) for a Gnome Wizard.

He is a Gnome in every sense of the word yet also seeks to become a true Wizard. He loves his inventions but he must love magic more, right? Any ideas?
#22

Dragonhelm

Sep 09, 2004 12:25:59
How about a test(s) for a Gnome Wizard.

He is a Gnome in every sense of the word yet also seeks to become a true Wizard. He loves his inventions but he must love magic more, right? Any ideas?

I think you have the basics already. Put the choice in there - technology or magic. The answer is bound to drive him mad. ;)
#23

zombiegleemax

Sep 09, 2004 13:13:14
I had a wizard take a test in one of my games. She earned enough XP to gain a level, it had to be WoHS.
In her test she had to make a choice between her friends and her magic.
She had to face a more powerfull opponent by herself.
And she had to face a party member.

The group she was in had a Knight who opposed her use of the sleep spell... the basic setting was the Knight was going for his knightly test and she showed up to help him. Her sleep spell "missed" (with a little help from the DM) and put the Knight's target to sleep.

During the test pay attention to how they react when they find magic and how they use their magic. She ended up with red robes touched with black spots that could not be removed.
#24

zombiegleemax

Sep 09, 2004 20:20:48
I have a mountain dwarf heading to take his now. He made 5th level before I could get him back to town so he could get his invite to take the test. I haven't given him any 3rd level spells yet so he doesn't violate the strictures of the conclave.

Part of his background is that his clans thane has told him personally that should he take this silly test and swear alliegance to something other than Thane and Thanedom he will be branded Sundered and have his beard shaved permanently. His family sent his younger brother along to protect him, to convice him to give up this silly magic thing become more dwarvish, show him that the outside world doesn't hold a candle the the wonders of their mountain home, and make sure he doesn't take the test and dishonor them all. What the wizard doesn't know is that his brother is acutally along to bring him home, in shackles is need be, to face his sundering should he pass The Test.

During his test I'm going to put a few 3rd level spells out there in a WoHS spellbook he will be given an opportunity to scribe should he so disire, if he takes them he fails...dies in some catastrophic miscasting of gained spells.

I"m placing an enemy in that he can only defeat by magic but I really cannot think of any, unless of course I take away his weapons, even still he's always been prone to engage in melee, using his spells as a last resort (He's used to play in the FR, go figure).

I have a few other ideas but nothing concrete any ideas. Currently he's travelling with a human rogue (whom he just found out might be the possible heir to a thorne), a kender cleric of Brachala (constantly causing trouble), his dwarven fighter brother, a human fighter (a member of the local constabulary), and a dwarven monk whom is no more. His character is Neutral Good, except when it comes to black goblins, in which case he's Lawful Evil. Any ideas would be helpful.
#25

zombiegleemax

Sep 10, 2004 7:54:37
What the wizard doesn't know is that his brother is acutally along to bring him home, in shackles is need be, to face his sundering should he pass The Test.

You need to work this into his test. Something as his last test, he thinks he has finished everything, and is brother comes alone to arrest him. he has a way out using magic, or to go back with him.

During his test I'm going to put a few 3rd level spells out there in a WoHS spellbook he will be given an opportunity to scribe should he so disire, if he takes them he fails...dies in some catastrophic miscasting of gained spells.

Why would using new spells cause him die? I guess if he had catastrophic failure during casting, maybe. or do you just not want him to be a WoHS. I think most teachers would frown on a student not taking the book for study/use.

His character is Neutral Good, except when it comes to black goblins, in which case he's Lawful Evil. Any ideas would be helpful.

Again, play on the character's strengths and weaknesses. have a group of goblins attacking his friends and one group going after some magical item. the whole friends/family/loved ones vs. magic
#26

zombiegleemax

Sep 10, 2004 8:40:23
You need to work this into his test. Something as his last test, he thinks he has finished everything, and is brother comes alone to arrest him. he has a way out using magic, or to go back with him.

I was thinking of doing this as a test of loyalty to his family/thane vs magic already.

Why would using new spells cause him die? I guess if he had catastrophic failure during casting, maybe. or do you just not want him to be a WoHS. I think most teachers would frown on a student not taking the book for study/use.

The fact that he would be using 3rd level spells w/o pass the Test is illegal, something his character knows. Perhaps I should punish him instead. Or if he copies them, but does not use them perhaps a mark towards red. Does not take them, white. Takes and uses them, Black.

Again, play on the character's strengths and weaknesses. have a group of goblins attacking his friends and one group going after some magical item. the whole friends/family/loved ones vs. magic

Don't know why I didn't think of that one. Too close to the issue perhaps. Then again I was planning on using the whole sundering as his loyalty test. ALthough since he is a mountain dwarf, whom loyalty to their family and thane are usually above else, it wouldn't hurt to give him the loyalty test twice. One general loyalty test, the other to his family/thane.

Thanks for your help so far. Anymore would ideas would be welcome.
#27

Sysane

Sep 10, 2004 8:55:38
Does ToHS give examples as to how tests can or should be run?
#28

Mortepierre

Sep 10, 2004 9:41:38
The fact that he would be using 3rd level spells w/o pass the Test is illegal, something his character knows. Perhaps I should punish him instead. Or if he copies them, but does not use them perhaps a mark towards red. Does not take them, white. Takes and uses them, Black.

I beg to differ.

Yes, strictly speaking, it is illegal inasmuch as if you're using 3rd (or higher) lvl spells and haven't yet passed your test, you can be branded a renegade.

That said, given the player knows he is passing his test and that, if he fails, he'll die in all likelihood, copying and using 3rd lvl spells would seem like a logical decision. After all, if he passes, he'll be a WoHS and will be able to use those spells without any trouble.

For all he knows, he could be supposed to have them to succeed at his test!

Or, if you really want to make him feel like it would be a bad idea, at least make sure the spellbook containing the spells looks suitably .. ah .. "evil".
#29

Mortepierre

Sep 10, 2004 9:49:11
Does ToHS give examples as to how tests can or should be run?

There is a full chapter (9 pages long) devoted to it, how to run it, etc... (including a basic chart)
#30

zombiegleemax

Sep 11, 2004 3:26:06
It was great that Margaret went into more detail in the Soulforge than in the short story, the Test of the Twins. The Soulforge is one of my favorite novels of all time!!

YES. Soulforge was an AWESOME book. I have to get my hands on the next book yet.
#31

zombiegleemax

Sep 11, 2004 11:29:09
I beg to differ.

Yes, strictly speaking, it is illegal inasmuch as if you're using 3rd (or higher) lvl spells and haven't yet passed your test, you can be branded a renegade.

That said, given the player knows he is passing his test and that, if he fails, he'll die in all likelihood, copying and using 3rd lvl spells would seem like a logical decision. After all, if he passes, he'll be a WoHS and will be able to use those spells without any trouble.

For all he knows, he could be supposed to have them to succeed at his test!

Or, if you really want to make him feel like it would be a bad idea, at least make sure the spellbook containing the spells looks suitably .. ah .. "evil".

The fact of the matter is that most people don't know when The Test begins. That's the beauty of the Test, your players are thinking it's just a normal day, then things start to happen.

I'm thinking having him arrive at the tower. Introductions are made, rooms issued. They are informed they will have a short time to prepare before the testing begins. Character falls asleep, test begins (unbeknowst to the character). Awaken in the morning, give a meal and time to prepare in the library with the other testees. An eldery wizard, of undetermined robes, asks character to watch his familiar for him while he attends to other business for a short while, leaving his spellbook opened for the world to see. The character doesn't know his test has begun, as far as he knows he's being given time to make final preparations. Therefore. knows these spells are off limits to him as of yet.
#32

zombiegleemax

Sep 13, 2004 23:22:38
An aspect of the Test that I enjoy is that ther person taking it is not even aware at times that he is taking his test, look at Raisltin's in the Soulforge. The test can take place in a myriad of places, in the mind, an illusion, etc. One never is sure about it until it or they are done.
#33

zombiegleemax

Sep 14, 2004 3:20:20
way to spoil it for people who haven't read it. Geez, don't say anymore about it!
#34

zombiegleemax

Sep 14, 2004 8:25:35
I thought that everyone knew about that part of the Test of High Sorcery.
#35

zombiegleemax

Sep 16, 2004 14:34:04
anything new that people would like to share about the Test?
#36

zombiegleemax

Sep 17, 2004 2:06:28
Chances are not everyone's read it. For some, that would be like giving away the ending of sixth sense for those who haven't seen it.
#37

bobsutan

Sep 19, 2004 20:30:40
This has been an interesting thread to say the least. I just gave our sorcerer his test just the other day. I know, I know, how can a sorcerer take the test, especially prior to the WoTL. Well, this was one of those unique experiences....

In short, he's deemed a renegade by the conclave and is brought before them (no choice in the matter). He's then given the choice to either give up all magic once and for all, or convert to Wizardry and join their ranks. Naturally he chooses the latter and stays at the Tower of Wayreth to learn the ways of wizardry (converting his levels). After studying with each of the orders for one month each he is told to prepare himself for the Test (I converted his levels in sorcery to wizard as per the DLCS, pg 97). A red robe secretly contacts him the night prior of his expected test and warns him not to revert to sorcery, no matter what the circumstance. This would be crucial to whether or not bad things happen after the test, should he survive.

In the test he fights a mysterious cloaked mage of equal strength. Long story short he shows no compassion or neutral thinking and kills the mage, but an illusion prevents him from seeing it. The test at this point was over, but the conclave wanted to see what he'd do once he’d gone though all of his spells. Would he or would he not revert to sorcery (at this point, both sorcery and wizardry were open to him)? Well, as the illusionary mage attempted to close in to attempt a dagger strike, the PC ended up using a sorcery spell. And it cost him dearly. The original plan was to get him to expend all of his wizard spells and to prove his allegiance and devotion to High Sorcery magic. Once his wizard’s spells were expended, as noted earlier, the enemy mage tries to close on him. If the PC doesn’t use any sorcery spells, the mage closes on him and the PC sees the face of the enemy just as he plunges a dagger into his chest (the face of the enemy is his own!) At this point the mage would have woke up and is told he passed the test (by not using sorcery). The lasting result was going to be that whenever the mage sees his reflection, he must make a fortitude check (DC 15) or flee for 1d4 rounds. After 3 character levels increase, the effect is lessened to only being shaken for 1d4 rounds (that is if he even fails the DC). Well, that didn’t happen as the following took place too quickly. The other part of the test was that if the mage used any sorcery spells during the test he’d lose 1 Con per sorcery spell cast and he’d also looses 1d4 HP for every sorcery spell cast (both are permanent). Since he’d also lose any HP that came with that CON (for example, if he’s got +2 HP and is 5th level, but drops to +1 CON bonus, then he permanently loses 5 HP) its feasible that the HP reduction due to the CON loss could kill him. Additionally, the reflection effect will also be there. Lastly, the only remnants of his sorcery are the occational surgers in his spells (wild magic).

The main reason in my mind why he’s being punished with the reflection effect, even if he passes with flying colors, is because of his weird fetish for those types of spells (magic mirror, blur, etc). Not to mention he chose sorcery over wizardry to begin with. The positive side is that he had a very slim chance of death during the test, unless of course he really screws up and throws sorcery spells around like crazy.

In the end, he used the sorcery spell and defeated the illusionary mage well before it got close enough to stab him and the test ended. And as per what I had planned, he did lose 1 Con and 1d4 HP (I rolled a 2). After the test, he was bed-ridden for a week due to his weakened state (he only had 2 HP left and didn’t regen at all until the 5th day). He's now a 5 Wizard/1 WoHS (he instantly leveled at the end of the test, but had to take the next level as WoHS).

You can see more about the character here.
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#38

zombiegleemax

Sep 20, 2004 10:56:03
How does sorcery exist in the Time of the War of the Lance when it died out so long ago and is reborn in the 5th Age?

Great example of a Test however! Thanks for sharing.
#39

zombiegleemax

Sep 20, 2004 11:01:17
This campaign that you are running is more Greyhawk or Forgotten Realms or even homebrewed than a Dragonlance campaign.
#40

bobsutan

Sep 20, 2004 11:53:17
Call it "creative license" as a DM. We came to the understanding that his ancestors were infused with wild magic long ago and that him being able to tap it was an innate latent talent. Instead of being a renegade we had to emulate an "epiphany" and convert him to a wizard.
#41

zombiegleemax

Sep 20, 2004 18:55:07
okay that I can see, but a half-orc in your group? No orcs in Krynn!
#42

bobsutan

Sep 20, 2004 21:03:53
okay that I can see, but a half-orc in your group? No orcs in Krynn!

Eh, is that really the case? I never knew that. Well, the next time we generate characters I'll have to keep that in mind. I thought orcs, goblins, hobgoblins, and ogres were found throughout Krynn.
#43

zombiegleemax

Sep 20, 2004 21:51:51
Eh, is that really the case? I never knew that. Well, the next time we generate characters I'll have to keep that in mind. I thought orcs, goblins, hobgoblins, and ogres were found throughout Krynn.

Just make him a 1/2 black goblin (which is basically a goblin jacked up on steriods; ie an orc) or 1/2 ogre.
#44

bobsutan

Sep 20, 2004 23:04:48
Hmm... a half-ogre. And I thought he was a brick-sh!thouse as half-orc.

Are there any guides for making a player-character half-ogre?
#45

zombiegleemax

Sep 20, 2004 23:16:54
Hmm... a half-ogre. And I thought he was a brick-sh!thouse as half-orc.

Are there any guides for making a player-character half-ogre?

The 1/2 Ogre is in the DLCS Races section (+4 Str, +2 Con, -2 Int, -2 Cha; Medium Creature; 30 base speed; +1 Nat Armor; Low-Light Vision; +1 LA)
#46

bobsutan

Sep 21, 2004 5:31:31
Thanks. I'll check it out.
#47

zombiegleemax

Sep 21, 2004 11:42:24
Glad to have been of help to you!
#48

zombiegleemax

Sep 23, 2004 9:02:16
I have a great Question:

In the last time we have discussion: Who must make the test of high sorcery. Wizarrds is ok. But was is with sorcerer (warlock) and bard.

Some people say: They become a official invitation to make a test. He must say i join the order and must perform the terms for the prestige class of Wizard of high sorcery. Then he maust make the test.
When he confirm the test, he is a wizard of high sorcery with the one differenc he conjure how a sorcer and not as a wizard. He becomes the specials form the moon and all others how a wizard of the high sorcery and he must vote for white, red or black robe. So you never no stand a sorcerer or a wizard for you.

The other opinion is, that every sorcerer the go to the towers to make a test, not have all cups in the kitchen cabinet. He has not win the dice check of intellengy. When he go to the test and survive, he must follow the rulez of the high sorcery or make a class change. That can not be right in the eys of sorcery. But what is when he not finish the test and survive. Which magicuser will adicate of his power? So they let him not go. And when he die by the test? Then is the problem for the high sorcery finish.
Sorcer and Bards are sooner what for Inqusitor, Renegade hunter and Kleric (exorcist) or!?!
Thx for answer!
#49

cam_banks

Sep 23, 2004 9:09:05
Officially, a sorcerer (or bard) cannot take the Test of High Sorcery because they do not use wizard magic. They can't take the wizard of High Sorcery prestige class because they don't prepare spells. So, they're a little out of luck, unless they switch classes (an epiphany), which means they take a level of wizard, earn enough experience to reach 2nd level as a wizard, and then swap out all of their sorcerer levels for wizard levels.

Example: Joe Sorcerer is a 6th level sorcerer. He finds the White Robes to have a convincing argument about the dangers of wild magic and therefore decides to switch to wizard magic (aka High Sorcery). So, when he earns enough XP to advance to his 7th character level, he takes it in wizard. Note: this is the only time you can multiclass these incompatible classes.

So now he's sorcerer 6/wizard 1, and he's on his way to validation as a potential wizard. He adventures about, trying not to use his sorcerer spells as much as he can, and then when he earns enough XP to reach 8th level he takes his 2nd level in wizard. At this point, he can also trade in all of his levels of sorcerer for levels in wizard, and does so, becoming a wizard 8.

Joe immediately takes the Test of High Sorcery, everybody cheers, and then when Joe advances another level (assuming he meets the feat and skill requirements) he can become a wizard 8/wizard of High Sorcery 1.

Cheers,
Cam
#50

zombiegleemax

Sep 23, 2004 9:20:25
At first thx for the answer. But what is the status of sorcer and Bards in the eys of Wizard of high sorcery? The same how renegade?
#51

cam_banks

Sep 23, 2004 10:10:30
At first thx for the answer. But what is the status of sorcer and Bards in the eys of Wizard of high sorcery? The same how renegade?

Sorcerers are renegades in the sense that they use magic proscribed by the gods of magic, but currently the gods of magic aren't doing much about it beyond keeping a close eye on things. They're aware that wild magic caused widespread devastation last time, but that doesn't seem to be the case at the moment. Or at least, there aren't any sorcerers with that kind of power currently who haven't already switched to becoming wizards.

Bards are in the same boat, but it's a tricky case with them since their wild magic is tied up in musical expression. Once again, it'd be a case by case basis.

True renegades are wizards who have broken or defied the Orders. As a sorcerer or bard isn't a wizard, then they're not in the same category as individuals like Galan Dracos or other dangerous wizards who fly in the face of the traditions.

Cheers,
Cam
#52

zombiegleemax

Sep 23, 2004 10:26:42
When reading through the Towers of High Sorcery book I recall coming across a PrC entitled DreamShaper or something of that nature. Now if I remember correctly these characters actually shape the tests for the initiate ?

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#53

cam_banks

Sep 23, 2004 10:36:53
When reading through the Towers of High Sorcery book I recall coming across a PrC entitled DreamShaper or something of that nature. Now if I remember correctly these characters actually shape the tests for the initiate ?

Yes, since the Test is not entirely physical, and often takes place on the mental or dream plane (which is a convenient way to have it be very bizarre and odd). Not all Tests have dreamshapers contributing, however.

Cheers,
Cam
#54

zombiegleemax

Sep 23, 2004 10:38:09
Yes, since the Test is not entirely physical, and often takes place on the mental or dream plane (which is a convenient way to have it be very bizarre and odd). Not all Tests have dreamshapers contributing, however.

Cheers,
Cam

Who actually thought of that PrC ? I think that is amazing.

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#55

zombiegleemax

Sep 23, 2004 12:53:45
Are there any more examples of a Test that has been given?
#56

father_dale

Sep 26, 2004 14:31:23
One part of the test for my wizard was actually a written exam.

My DM had been kidding me for a couple weeks that there would be a written exam on it. I thought he was joking.

Sure enough, there was a room with a desk, chair, ink and pen, and a parchment. The parchment had fifteen questions on it of the "What am I?" variety. i.e. I am the .... that lives in darkness, etc etc.." The answers were all different kinds of monsters.

In order to answer the questions, I had to roll a knowledge check in the appropriate category for each question, DC=15. I answered 9 right.

For the ones I answered incorrectly, I soon learned the answer. The monster (or several of them) would appear and attack.

It was a pretty cool thing.

Another part was where there were a lot of questions involving material components to spells. All my componenets were taken away at the start of the test. This part wasn't a written exam though, something would ask me the question. If I got it right, based on my own personal knowledge, then I would get that component for casting the spells.
#57

zombiegleemax

Sep 27, 2004 10:25:38
I like the idea of a written exam. That is pretty funny. I wonder how many other DM's have been that creative in the handing out and administering of their Tests? Kudos to you and your DM!