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The Nocturnal Sea

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#1
zombiegleemax
Sep 08, 2004 18:05:29 Besides the fact that this domain is controlled by the necromancer Meredoth who dwells on Todstein island I believe, is there anymore concrete details about the other islands in the sea besides the very basic one's offered in the PHB. I wasn't sure if there was a Gazetter that covered the Nocturnal Sea in specifics. But I'm planning a jaunt to the region and I wanted to provide some contextual detail for the Players. So I was wondering if there was any other information on the Sea besides what is given in the PHB. Thanks in advance.
#2
zombiegleemax
Sep 08, 2004 18:53:21 Here are some info from the back of my head.

Meredoth and the sea are described in the module Ship of Horror and DOmains of Dread.

There's one island which is a domain for captain Monette. He's a werebat who's described in the 2ed Darklord accessory.

Finally there's Vechor island really described only in Domains of Dread (I don't have the Red Box so it might be there too). Vechor's lord Easan is described in DOmaisn of Dread and Secrets of the Dread Realms. There's one NPC from Vechor in the Ravenloft Monstrous compedium vol 1 &2. He's a mechanical golem but I can't remember his name.

Don't know if there's other references.

But the next Gazetteer will either either one or the two seas so just wait a little while ;)
#3
bluebomber4evr
Sep 08, 2004 22:11:41 Vechor was described as an Island of Terror in the Realm of Terror boxed set (i.e. the "black box"), but was considered "missing" after the Grand Conjunction, so it was not in the red box. It reappeared in the Nocturnal Sea in Domains of Dread. The mechanical golem's name is Ahmi Vanjuko. He's from the same world as Easan (Oerth).

Another island in the Nocturnal Sea, Liffe, is described in the adventure anthology Book of Crypts. There are at least 3 adventures in this book that are set in Liffe: "Blood in Moondale," "The Dark Minstrel" (which details Liffe's darklord, Baron Evensong), and "The Cedar Chest."

The undersea realm of the Shay-Lot is mentioned in the Hilde Borganov entry in Children of the Night: Werebeasts.

As Charney mentioned, Captain Monette, the werebat, is detailed in Darklords, as is his small lighthouse island domain, L'ile de la Tempete. And the darklord of the Nocturnal Sea, Meredoth, is featured in Ship of Horror, which can be downloaded for free from this website (go to older edition downloads). Meredoth's island lair on Todstein and the neighboring islands of Graben, Meerdorf, and Knammen are also detailed, though in that adventure the domain is called "Nebligtode."
#4
Mortepierre
Sep 09, 2004 2:17:03
The undersea realm of the Shay-Lot is mentioned in the Hilde Borganov entry in Children of the Night: Werebeasts.

Actually, that accessory is contradicting itself.

It states:

"Tidemore, a small fishing village on the western coast of Darkon. Here, where the shadows of the Mountains of Misery stretch toward the Nocturnal Sea."

.. which is weird because the Nocturnal Sea is to the east of Darkon, not the west!

Must be a typo
#5
bluebomber4evr
Sep 09, 2004 2:19:45 Yeah, it's a typo. There are no mountains at all in western Darkon, let alone the Mountains of Misery (which used to be the domain of Arak).
#6
zombiegleemax
Sep 15, 2004 23:16:49
Actually, that accessory is contradicting itself.

It states:

"Tidemore, a small fishing village on the western coast of Darkon. Here, where the shadows of the Mountains of Misery stretch toward the Nocturnal Sea."

.. which is weird because the Nocturnal Sea is to the east of Darkon, not the west!

Must be a typo

Technically, no, it's not a typo.
When people speak of the "Western" Pacific, they're talking about the region near Australia and Indonesia.
Think about it... Where North America ends in the West, the Pacific begins in the East. A problem that arises when you live on a sphere, if you go west far enough, you wind up in the east, or vice versa.
#7
bluebomber4evr
Sep 16, 2004 1:12:45 Ravenloft isn't a sphere.

So, yeah. It's a typo.
#8
Mortepierre
Sep 16, 2004 3:46:59
Technically, no, it's not a typo.
When people speak of the "Western" Pacific, they're talking about the region near Australia and Indonesia.
Think about it... Where North America ends in the West, the Pacific begins in the East. A problem that arises when you live on a sphere, if you go west far enough, you wind up in the east, or vice versa.

That would be true if RL ships sailing west (in the Sea of Sorrows) had somehow found themselves in the Nocturnal Sea. Granted, the mists could have done it but I doubt that it has become a common occurrence in RL.
#9
zombiegleemax
Sep 16, 2004 10:03:26 And I repeat, it is not a typo.
When you come to come to the easternmost border of an area, the section of the region to the east of that boundary is the westernmost.
Think about it.
Try finding "The Western Pacific" on a map.
#10
bluebomber4evr
Sep 16, 2004 14:19:25
And I repeat, it is not a typo.
When you come to come to the easternmost border of an area, the section of the region to the east of that boundary is the westernmost.
Think about it.
Try finding "The Western Pacific" on a map.

Um, what part of "Ravenloft is not a sphere" are you not understanding? The setting is not a spherical planet, it is a demiplane in the ethereal. It has definite east and west boundaries. Sailing west in the Sea of Sorrows does not automatically make you pop up in the eastern Nocturnal Sea. You *might* end up there, but you could also end up in one of the "Islands of Terror" (which are not islands in a body of water, but parts of the demiplane that are not connected to the core by solid sections of land) such as Saragoss, Souragne, or Rokushima Taiyoo. One could also end up in a body of fresh water like Lake Zarovich or a river, it all depends on where your DM wants the mists to take you.

So it *IS* a typo. The section Mortepierre mentions says "Tidemore, a small fishing village on the western coast of Darkon", not the western shore of the sea. The western coast of Darkon is on the Sea of Sorrows, and there are no mountains in western Darkon. This is in eastern Darkon, on the shores of the Nocturnal Sea, near the Mountains of Misery. These are in EASTERN Darkon, no matter what map of Ravenloft you look at.
#11
The_Jester
Sep 16, 2004 20:47:35 It is NOT talking about the Western coast of the Nocturnal sea (which you would be right about) but the Western coast of Darkon, the land, which has an Eastern and Western coast.
It is a mistake/typo.

You're thinking Western Pacific but we're talking Western U.S. when they mean somewhere near Rhode Island.

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#1 zombiegleemax Sep 08, 2004 18:05:29	Besides the fact that this domain is controlled by the necromancer Meredoth who dwells on Todstein island I believe, is there anymore concrete details about the other islands in the sea besides the very basic one's offered in the PHB. I wasn't sure if there was a Gazetter that covered the Nocturnal Sea in specifics. But I'm planning a jaunt to the region and I wanted to provide some contextual detail for the Players. So I was wondering if there was any other information on the Sea besides what is given in the PHB. Thanks in advance.
#2 zombiegleemax Sep 08, 2004 18:53:21	Here are some info from the back of my head. Meredoth and the sea are described in the module Ship of Horror and DOmains of Dread. There's one island which is a domain for captain Monette. He's a werebat who's described in the 2ed Darklord accessory. Finally there's Vechor island really described only in Domains of Dread (I don't have the Red Box so it might be there too). Vechor's lord Easan is described in DOmaisn of Dread and Secrets of the Dread Realms. There's one NPC from Vechor in the Ravenloft Monstrous compedium vol 1 &2. He's a mechanical golem but I can't remember his name. Don't know if there's other references. But the next Gazetteer will either either one or the two seas so just wait a little while ;)
#3 bluebomber4evr Sep 08, 2004 22:11:41	Vechor was described as an Island of Terror in the Realm of Terror boxed set (i.e. the "black box"), but was considered "missing" after the Grand Conjunction, so it was not in the red box. It reappeared in the Nocturnal Sea in Domains of Dread. The mechanical golem's name is Ahmi Vanjuko. He's from the same world as Easan (Oerth). Another island in the Nocturnal Sea, Liffe, is described in the adventure anthology Book of Crypts. There are at least 3 adventures in this book that are set in Liffe: "Blood in Moondale," "The Dark Minstrel" (which details Liffe's darklord, Baron Evensong), and "The Cedar Chest." The undersea realm of the Shay-Lot is mentioned in the Hilde Borganov entry in Children of the Night: Werebeasts. As Charney mentioned, Captain Monette, the werebat, is detailed in Darklords, as is his small lighthouse island domain, L'ile de la Tempete. And the darklord of the Nocturnal Sea, Meredoth, is featured in Ship of Horror, which can be downloaded for free from this website (go to older edition downloads). Meredoth's island lair on Todstein and the neighboring islands of Graben, Meerdorf, and Knammen are also detailed, though in that adventure the domain is called "Nebligtode."
#4 Mortepierre Sep 09, 2004 2:17:03	The undersea realm of the Shay-Lot is mentioned in the Hilde Borganov entry in Children of the Night: Werebeasts. Actually, that accessory is contradicting itself. It states: "Tidemore, a small fishing village on the western coast of Darkon. Here, where the shadows of the Mountains of Misery stretch toward the Nocturnal Sea." .. which is weird because the Nocturnal Sea is to the east of Darkon, not the west! Must be a typo
#5 bluebomber4evr Sep 09, 2004 2:19:45	Yeah, it's a typo. There are no mountains at all in western Darkon, let alone the Mountains of Misery (which used to be the domain of Arak).
#6 zombiegleemax Sep 15, 2004 23:16:49	Actually, that accessory is contradicting itself. It states: "Tidemore, a small fishing village on the western coast of Darkon. Here, where the shadows of the Mountains of Misery stretch toward the Nocturnal Sea." .. which is weird because the Nocturnal Sea is to the east of Darkon, not the west! Must be a typo Technically, no, it's not a typo. When people speak of the "Western" Pacific, they're talking about the region near Australia and Indonesia. Think about it... Where North America ends in the West, the Pacific begins in the East. A problem that arises when you live on a sphere, if you go west far enough, you wind up in the east, or vice versa.
#7 bluebomber4evr Sep 16, 2004 1:12:45	Ravenloft isn't a sphere. So, yeah. It's a typo.
#8 Mortepierre Sep 16, 2004 3:46:59	Technically, no, it's not a typo. When people speak of the "Western" Pacific, they're talking about the region near Australia and Indonesia. Think about it... Where North America ends in the West, the Pacific begins in the East. A problem that arises when you live on a sphere, if you go west far enough, you wind up in the east, or vice versa. That would be true if RL ships sailing west (in the Sea of Sorrows) had somehow found themselves in the Nocturnal Sea. Granted, the mists could have done it but I doubt that it has become a common occurrence in RL.
#9 zombiegleemax Sep 16, 2004 10:03:26	And I repeat, it is not a typo. When you come to come to the easternmost border of an area, the section of the region to the east of that boundary is the westernmost. Think about it. Try finding "The Western Pacific" on a map.
#10 bluebomber4evr Sep 16, 2004 14:19:25	And I repeat, it is not a typo. When you come to come to the easternmost border of an area, the section of the region to the east of that boundary is the westernmost. Think about it. Try finding "The Western Pacific" on a map. Um, what part of "Ravenloft is not a sphere" are you not understanding? The setting is not a spherical planet, it is a demiplane in the ethereal. It has definite east and west boundaries. Sailing west in the Sea of Sorrows does not automatically make you pop up in the eastern Nocturnal Sea. You might end up there, but you could also end up in one of the "Islands of Terror" (which are not islands in a body of water, but parts of the demiplane that are not connected to the core by solid sections of land) such as Saragoss, Souragne, or Rokushima Taiyoo. One could also end up in a body of fresh water like Lake Zarovich or a river, it all depends on where your DM wants the mists to take you. So it IS a typo. The section Mortepierre mentions says "Tidemore, a small fishing village on the western coast of Darkon", not the western shore of the sea. The western coast of Darkon is on the Sea of Sorrows, and there are no mountains in western Darkon. This is in eastern Darkon, on the shores of the Nocturnal Sea, near the Mountains of Misery. These are in EASTERN Darkon, no matter what map of Ravenloft you look at.
#11 The_Jester Sep 16, 2004 20:47:35	It is NOT talking about the Western coast of the Nocturnal sea (which you would be right about) but the Western coast of Darkon, the land, which has an Eastern and Western coast. It is a mistake/typo. You're thinking Western Pacific but we're talking Western U.S. when they mean somewhere near Rhode Island.