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#1ishnidSep 09, 2004 11:34:21 | So an idea just occurred to me. Where are the notes on the accelerated dragon metamorphisis. Kalid-ma was the first to try and speed up the process, as far as I know. Perhaps, he got a hold of the original notes for the process after Dregoth got killed. ( I don't think he was part of the team that killed Dregoth, maybe he slipped in while the battle was in progress...) Anyway, then Kalak gives it a shot, and gets assassinated. I see no clear line between Kalak and Abelec-Re (did I get the name right? no. well you know who I mean) who gives the acceration a go in "Forest-Maker." Well, the process doesn't help her and she gets herself killed soon after. So where are the notes on the accelerated metamorphisis? Maybe Pennarin is passing them around in an effort to get everyone killed? Maybe Dregoth recovered them after Abelec-Re's death. Anyone have an idea that I can steal? |
#2zombiegleemaxSep 09, 2004 13:47:41 | I don't think any notes on accelerated dragon metamorphphisis exists. I know the normal rules are within Defilers and Preservers. Lets see if we can think of anyone to volunteer for this.......... Nytcrawler!!!!! |
#3xlorepdarkhelm_dupSep 09, 2004 14:18:17 | Well, I think that Kalid-Ma got help from Thok-An and the connection to the Dark Powers of Ravenloft. Kalid-Ma achieved a faster metamorphosis without the use of theDark Lens (which was necessary in Borys' case). When Kalid-Ma was "killed" (or swept up into Ravenloft in a comatose state, depending on perspective), I think that Kalak kinda stole much of his research, and began developing his own ritual to achieve it, complete with the assistance of the two talking heads (who probably saw Kalak as a patsy to disrupt Borys' hold on their master and effectively lead to the release of Rajaat from his prison). Kalak did actually develop a non-dark-powers-influenced method of accelerating the process, but was killed while the spell was affecting him. As only a very, very select few know of the existance of Kalak's secret lair inside the Zigguraut, as well as the great earthquake probably causing some structural damage in there, I'd say for the most part, that knowledge is lost. Others can attempt to develop it, of course, but it's a hard process, and then there's the whole dealing with the other Dragon Kings who would immediately see such an individual as a threat once they found out. |
#4SysaneSep 09, 2004 14:30:56 | There's also the sinking temple in the middle of the Troll Grave Chasm that metamorphsis an individual to a full Dragon as well. Granted, that knowledge maybe lost as well depending if your campaign ran the events in the DS Dungeon adventure. |
#5zombiegleemaxSep 09, 2004 14:32:04 | While I think Xlorep is correct that there are several methods for achieving an accelerated metamorphosis, I think that they must have all hit upon the same key-points, just in different ways. If someone could develop this process, they would need to ensure that it is a fluid process that doesn't require strict practices as long as these practices achieve a desired result. |
#6zombiegleemaxSep 09, 2004 14:33:55 | There's also the sinking temple in the middle of the Troll Grave Chasm that metamorphsis an individual to a full Dragon as well. Sysane.... I have no info on this at all. Is this the Dungeon article that contains the patchwork troll? I have been trying to acquire that issue for about a year now. |
#7SysaneSep 09, 2004 14:36:55 | Sysane.... I have no info on this at all. Is this the Dungeon article that contains the patchwork troll? I have been trying to acquire that issue for about a year now. Thats the exact Adventure. The Last Troll. It was pretty good IMO. |
#8zombiegleemaxSep 09, 2004 16:06:59 | what issue is that in? when did it come out? |
#9ishnidSep 09, 2004 17:35:08 | 1) Dregoth developed the original Dragon Metamorphisis (His research is missing/destroyed/stolen by Kalid-Ma) 2) Kalid-ma somehow gains the knowledge to accelerate the metamorphisis (some sources say it was his high templar who performed the ritual) This knowledge may have come through; Stolen Dregoth research, RL Dark Power interference, personal research, or some other source. 3) Kalak gets the research Kalid-ma had, refines it and attempts the ritual and gets a big old spear through the chest for his trouble. 4) Abelech-Re attempts the similar ritual in "Forest Maker." Where the heck did she get the info needed? If anybody would have figured it out on their own it would have been Nib. So this valuable and dangerous information on Dragon Metamorphisis could be in a several. Plus there most likely are multiply copies. 1) Dregoth's old city 2) Dregoth's new city 3) Kalid-ma (in dark sun) 4) Kalid-ma (in Ravenloft) 5) Kalak's inner sanctum 6) The site in "Forest Maker" 7) Abelech-Re's personal library 8) Orinis' library (he did after all preform, reverse and then do the opposite of the process. So he must understand the process very deeply) 9) some pyramid above Troll Grave Chasm which I know nothing about. (but any info is appreciated) This is all really just brian storming, anyone have anything to add? |
#10zombiegleemaxSep 09, 2004 18:31:07 | to answer my own question: Dungeon issue 56. |
#11korvarSep 09, 2004 18:48:30 | This is all really just brian storming, anyone have anything to add? I have another set of notes created by a genius sorcerer/psionicist during the time Rajaat was still openly teaching Preserving magic. He was the last of a family of such geniuses, who had derived the existence of Defiling Magic from first principles, and after several generations of research, this last scion worked out the Dragon Metamorphasis. Now, there may be those who think that only someone of Dregoth's caliber could possibly create the Dragon Metamorphosis spell on their own, even after several generations. And, well, you'd be right. Unfortunately for this guy, when he cast the first of the final stage of the Metamorphasis spells it Went Badly Wrong. He died (messily), and the vast Magical backlash caused his secret underground lair became horribly cursed. Anyone who tries to gain any benefit from anything within, no matter how trivial, will have that gain rebound on them tenfold. Bad enough if you sell a trinket for ten gold pieces. Worse still if your life is saved by the metal armour you scavenged. And imagine what would happen if you happened to try and use the notes to cast your own Dragon Metamorphasis... The plan is form me somehow to get these things into the hands of Kalak, despite the PCs' best intentions This will start off the chain of events that will eventually end in Kalak's downfall. Such fun. |
#12zombiegleemaxSep 09, 2004 18:54:31 | Has anyone ever used beef that was seasoned with Italian seasonings in Tacos? It's horrible! By-the-way, very interesting way to get a new dungeon Korvar. |
#13greyormSep 09, 2004 20:18:08 | 4) Abelech-Re attempts the similar ritual in "Forest Maker." Where the heck did she get the info needed? Kalak is STILL ALIVE, and Abalach-Re has been...keeping him around. Perhaps they were former lovers, and upon learning of the events of the Freedom adventure/The Verdant Passage, she or her servants stole into the city, discovered the chamber where a mortally wounded Kalak lay as still as death, and transported him back to Raam, where he recovered under the tender ministrations of his Queen. (Awwww...dragon love!) |
#14KamelionSep 10, 2004 4:13:40 | Kalak is STILL ALIVE, and Abalach-Re has been...keeping him around. Perhaps they were former lovers, and upon learning of the events of the Freedom adventure/The Verdant Passage, she or her servants stole into the city, discovered the chamber where a mortally wounded Kalak lay as still as death, and transported him back to Raam, where he recovered under the tender ministrations of his Queen. (Awwww...dragon love!) I had something similar to this in my game - Raamin agents snuck into the Golden Tower through UnderTyr to steal Kalak's body and the artifacts of his transformation. Abalach-Re derived her own metamorphosis spell from lore gleaned during that raid. |
#15SysaneSep 10, 2004 8:25:00 | I'll dig out my copy of Dungeon #56 and post what that particular metamorphsis entailed. I know that it invovled the temple in the Chasm and some staves. The history behind them I don't remember. |
#16jihun-nishSep 10, 2004 21:44:49 | Since Rajaat was in possession of the dark Lens from ...a very long time, what if the original 10th level spells of Dragon metamorphosis were ''written'' with concideration of using the artifact to acheive dragonhood. This would explain how and why it was feasible to transform Borys into a full dragon within the same day or week, maybe even a month or two.(I dont recall history divulging exactly how long it took for Borys to be fully transformed. Do you??) From then on the Champions knew the spells worked and once the Champions became SKs they all made it their ultimate dream but since the darkLen was lost they had to find an alternative. Seeing Borys's own metamorphosis, the now SKs knew the ''basics'' of Dragon spells so they all secretely(or not so secretely for some) elevated secret research temples or laboratories and probably experienced their ''laboratory'' spells before attempting them on themselves. (maybe some subrace of drakes roamed Athas in one time but are now extinct from their lack in numbers) Anyway all I'm attempting to say here is, I think all SK's knew how the trasformation worked with the darklen. They just needed a whole lot more time and work to acheive the same result without the DL. This is why I think Kalak attempted to fully trasform with one single epic spell. He already knew it could be done. (he just had the genius to replace the power of the darklen with the Life-energy of his own city's population) I also think that Dregoth was the second most intelligent of them all so he would have succeeded much sooner then the others. (Hamanu is THE most intelligent. He just decided to refrain the metamorphosis processus.--according to RaFoaDK which I know a lot of you see the novel as controvercial... and the fact that the novel and the canon material in game books are contradictory concerning '' acheiving dragonhood''...but still.) Oronis's avangion spells are a different mater because he had to completely ''create'' them because the spells didn't exist(well at least no known avangion before Oronis was ever recorded in Athas's history--not that I know of:except the one with the Great Kreen but we all know he's Oronis in the past from the futur--further then free year 11-- in time travel )) ----It's settle for me: the SKs knew the spells already. They just had to twist the spell for them to work with out the DL. ---Jihun |
#17zombiegleemaxSep 11, 2004 6:15:45 | I think Jihun is right. The SKs probably already know what is needed for them to accelerate the metamorphosis process. |
#18nytcrawlrSep 13, 2004 22:22:32 | I don't think any notes on accelerated dragon metamorphphisis exists. I know the normal rules are within Defilers and Preservers. Lets see if we can think of anyone to volunteer for this.......... Nytcrawler!!!!! Nah, that's Cliff's (Xlorep) department. ;) I've got a few things stewing on some epic things though. I knew playing/running epic campaigns one right after the other would pay off eventually, if not add more insanity into my life. |