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Speaking of Tharizdun...

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#1
Waldorf
Sep 12, 2004 1:45:52 Did anyone else find his write-up in Dragon 294 to be a bit, oh, I don't know... wimpy? For a deity hell-bent on exterminating the universe, he seems a little flat.
#2
zombiegleemax
Sep 12, 2004 10:56:24 I was a bit surprised, as well. Divine rank 11 doesn't scare all that many epic-level players; hell, Moradin could wipe the floor with him.

I would have put him at DR 18 or 19, at least.
#3
Amaril
Sep 12, 2004 18:47:56 Divine Rank

Rank 11–15: These entities are called intermediate deities. They have hundreds of thousands of mortal worshipers and control larger godly realms than demigods or lesser deities.

Rank 16–20: Called greater deities, these entities may have millions of mortal worshipers, and they command respect even among other deities. The most powerful of greater deities rule over other deities just as mortal sovereigns rule over commoners.

DR 11 seems fitting to me seeing as he doesn't have millions of worshippers and doesn't rule over other dieties. I always saw Tharizdun as just threatening enough to have to be incarcerated.
#4
Argon
Sep 12, 2004 23:01:09 Prior to his Imprisonment Tharizdun was probably much more powerful especially sice many sources state all the gods had a hand in his banishing or imprisonment! So yeah the best way to weaken him is to take the control he once had away from him. But many might state that mortal worship is not a telling of a gods power on Oerth.
#5
mortellan
Sep 13, 2004 1:16:30
Prior to his Imprisonment Tharizdun was probably much more powerful especially sice many sources state all the gods had a hand in his banishing or imprisonment! So yeah the best way to weaken him is to take the control he once had away from him. But many might state that mortal worship is not a telling of a gods power on Oerth.

This is definitely the case. In the 83 set Tharizdun is listed as a Greater God but thru the different edition changes and thus the changes in the way deities are statted he lost rank. If he were 'freed' I'd almost make him DR 21, because why else would all the gods gang up on him?
#6
zombiegleemax
Sep 13, 2004 8:39:03
This is definitely the case. In the 83 set Tharizdun is listed as a Greater God but thru the different edition changes and thus the changes in the way deities are statted he lost rank. If he were 'freed' I'd almost make him DR 21, because why else would all the gods gang up on him?

Yeah, that makes sense, but what about those who are unknowingly worshipping Tharizdun, either through a proxy or a phony deity? Wouldn't that also increase his divine rank? Seems like Tharizdun is doing quite a bit to boost his strength while locked up.
#7
Amaril
Sep 13, 2004 8:48:24
Yeah, that makes sense, but what about those who are unknowingly worshipping Tharizdun, either through a proxy or a phony deity? Wouldn't that also increase his divine rank? Seems like Tharizdun is doing quite a bit to boost his strength while locked up.

You're mixing the cause and effect. He's not strong because he can recruit more followers. Tharizdun and his clerics are trying to gain more followers so that Tharizdun can become stronger, and so that they can free him as they tried in Return to the Temple of Elemental Evil.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
#1 Waldorf Sep 12, 2004 1:45:52	Did anyone else find his write-up in Dragon 294 to be a bit, oh, I don't know... wimpy? For a deity hell-bent on exterminating the universe, he seems a little flat.
#2 zombiegleemax Sep 12, 2004 10:56:24	I was a bit surprised, as well. Divine rank 11 doesn't scare all that many epic-level players; hell, Moradin could wipe the floor with him. I would have put him at DR 18 or 19, at least.
#3 Amaril Sep 12, 2004 18:47:56	Divine Rank Rank 11–15: These entities are called intermediate deities. They have hundreds of thousands of mortal worshipers and control larger godly realms than demigods or lesser deities. Rank 16–20: Called greater deities, these entities may have millions of mortal worshipers, and they command respect even among other deities. The most powerful of greater deities rule over other deities just as mortal sovereigns rule over commoners. DR 11 seems fitting to me seeing as he doesn't have millions of worshippers and doesn't rule over other dieties. I always saw Tharizdun as just threatening enough to have to be incarcerated.
#4 Argon Sep 12, 2004 23:01:09	Prior to his Imprisonment Tharizdun was probably much more powerful especially sice many sources state all the gods had a hand in his banishing or imprisonment! So yeah the best way to weaken him is to take the control he once had away from him. But many might state that mortal worship is not a telling of a gods power on Oerth.
#5 mortellan Sep 13, 2004 1:16:30	Prior to his Imprisonment Tharizdun was probably much more powerful especially sice many sources state all the gods had a hand in his banishing or imprisonment! So yeah the best way to weaken him is to take the control he once had away from him. But many might state that mortal worship is not a telling of a gods power on Oerth. This is definitely the case. In the 83 set Tharizdun is listed as a Greater God but thru the different edition changes and thus the changes in the way deities are statted he lost rank. If he were 'freed' I'd almost make him DR 21, because why else would all the gods gang up on him?
#6 zombiegleemax Sep 13, 2004 8:39:03	This is definitely the case. In the 83 set Tharizdun is listed as a Greater God but thru the different edition changes and thus the changes in the way deities are statted he lost rank. If he were 'freed' I'd almost make him DR 21, because why else would all the gods gang up on him? Yeah, that makes sense, but what about those who are unknowingly worshipping Tharizdun, either through a proxy or a phony deity? Wouldn't that also increase his divine rank? Seems like Tharizdun is doing quite a bit to boost his strength while locked up.
#7 Amaril Sep 13, 2004 8:48:24	Yeah, that makes sense, but what about those who are unknowingly worshipping Tharizdun, either through a proxy or a phony deity? Wouldn't that also increase his divine rank? Seems like Tharizdun is doing quite a bit to boost his strength while locked up. You're mixing the cause and effect. He's not strong because he can recruit more followers. Tharizdun and his clerics are trying to gain more followers so that Tharizdun can become stronger, and so that they can free him as they tried in Return to the Temple of Elemental Evil.