I just don't like it, it seems overstylized and out of place and really makes me miss the older, plainer version of the logo.
Anyone else care to share their feelings on this inanely minor change that I allow to frustrate me so?
Just thought I'd vent about my personal gripe on Dragonlance products since the Fifth Age: that ugly little dragon now wrapped around the Dragonlance logo.
I just don't like it, it seems overstylized and out of place and really makes me miss the older, plainer version of the logo.
Anyone else care to share their feelings on this inanely minor change that I allow to frustrate me so?
I kind of like it ... it's a more visible logo at a distance, for me anyway.
Personally, I think it is time for a new logo for Dragonlance, one that is both new and fresh, yet goes back to the feel of the classic logo. The Forgotten Realms has done this, so why not Dragonlance?
dragonhelm you are part of the powers that be arent you? That might not be such a bad idea.
Perhaps a minor deity. ;)
I wouldn't have any authority to make that sort of a change. It would be up to the fine people at Wizards of the Coast. I'm not sure what sort of legalities would be involved, although I'm sure there would be some trademark issues.
If you guys wish to make your voices heard, you may wish to contact WotC's customer service dept., and let them know which logo you prefer, or if you would rather have a new logo.
I personally do like the dragon. I don't think it detracts from the old logo (as the old logo is still there and looks exactly the same).
Now, what I don't like is the new dragonlance inserted in the logo. It's not barbed enough. The best looking dragonlance in the logo, I think, was actually the second one they did (started about 1988, I think). It didn't have as long a main blade, but it looked more like a spear, and had more barbs on it.
So, there you have it. Oh, and when did Forgotten Realms change their logo again?
EDIT: I went and looked through last products...all I could find was two logos...the old yellow lettering one, and the current "modern" looking one.
Again...even with FR, I think the change was for the better.
But its only been their second, and, according to you, Dragonlance is up to its third logo.
The new FR logo came along with D&D3E.
But its only been their second, and, according to you, Dragonlance is up to its third logo.
Essentially, yeah.
But, Trampas was talking about Forgotten Realms going back to a "classic look" which confused me because they've only had two logos as far as I knew.
Essentially, yeah.
But, Trampas was talking about Forgotten Realms going back to a "classic look" which confused me because they've only had two logos as far as I knew.
Sorry about that. I was just referring to how their new logo still pays homage to the classic FR logo.
I'd just like to see an updated logo that goes back to the classic look to a degree, but is modernized. I wouldn't mind a dragon being involved if it was done well. I'd rather the classic logo stand out a bit more than it does now.
hell- even the once proud lance looks rusted, pitted and old- like what the heck is THAT supposed represent?!
I think they were supposed to be going for gold...but it does look rather old. So did the original dragonlance though (although it was at least silver).
That's what I liked about the second dragonlance...it looked modern and shiny and like an arse whooper.
(although the original dragonlance did match Elmore's dragonlance on the cover of DoWN)Sorry about that. I was just referring to how their new logo still pays homage to the classic FR logo.
But I'm confused as to how it is that you don't think the new logo pays homage to the old logo (as it is still the exact same metal plate design that says "DragonLance"). I can see not liking the dragon (I don't like that it looks like a stunted wyvern) but it's definately still Dragonlance (moreso, I think, than the new Forgotten Realms logo was still Forgotten Realms).
Okay...that may have not made sense. Let me try it a different way. I feel that the new DL logo more closely matched the old DL logo than the new FR logo matched the old FR logo.
I will say though that if they do decide to change the logo (again) I hope it is more of a change like FR had...I would be unhappy with the change if they just stripped away the dragon and went back to the old logo. Know what I mean?
Just thought I'd vent about my personal gripe on Dragonlance products since the Fifth Age: that ugly little dragon now wrapped around the Dragonlance logo.
I just don't like it, it seems overstylized and out of place and really makes me miss the older, plainer version of the logo.
Anyone else care to share their feelings on this inanely minor change that I allow to frustrate me so?
Heh! And I thought I was the only one! I TOTALLY agree with you! The original was nice and classy. Elaborate, but not to the point of cheezyness. This one just looks so... corny to me. Kinda like what they'd put on a book meant for young adults. "Hey kids this one's got DRAGONS!!!" But that's just me.
Okay...that may have not made sense. Let me try it a different way. I feel that the new DL logo more closely matched the old DL logo than the new FR logo matched the old FR logo.
Perhaps you are right.
With the FR logos, I like them both. With the DL logos, I like the old and not the new. The new dragon does look like a wyvern, and I feel the revised golden logo gets a bit lost in that dragon.
Had the new dragon had an Elmore or Easley look, then perhaps I would have liked it more.
Perhaps you are right.
With the FR logos, I like them both. With the DL logos, I like the old and not the new. The new dragon does look like a wyvern, and I feel the revised golden logo gets a bit lost in that dragon.
Had the new dragon had an Elmore or Easley look, then perhaps I would have liked it more.
Yeah...the old one's fine...but I really like the new FR logo personally...I'd love for them to do an update like that for the DL one...it could use it since Malys no longer lives...just so long as they keep the celtic feel that is so integral to the DL design.
As for the dragon...I kinda thought that it was an Easly stylized dragon (I'll call it that since it has no torso
)Who knows, though...I don't think we'll see a new one anytime soon. But I certainly don't want to go back to the old one...if they're gonna change it, make it new, I say.
I am fairly new too DL and the first DL logo i saw was this corny dragon. Now that i have been playing in a group that the dm is refencing the old 2nd edition stuff i love the old logo. it fits dl better more mature not so childish as the new one looks.
BAM! Zook i think you nailed it on the head, of that ugy stupid dragon.... maybe if the dragon was Trogdor (just kidding). Thats the thing I really liked about DL is that it was a very mature setting, the books were wrote that way too. They said they wouldn't compromise thier writeing style or word selection because they knew thier readers were smart enough to understand it, or look it up. I have noticed though with the last few books I have read that they are starting to slip into modern type writing, lots of sexual references and curseing(there is some not a ton) and as a Jay and Silent Bob fan I love that stuff to an extent. I get my fill there Dragon Lance is supposed to be a lot more mature, and I just don't like where some of the story lines are going.. infidelity, near pedofilia (Dalmar Coryn I know they didn't DO anyting but he did try to suduce a 17 yr old and hes what in his 100's?) and now a main character being permiquese for her God to get followers... seems like a bad soap opera to me now. But thats my thought..... anyways when are we emailing Wizards, I say we all do it on one day, or lets start a petition to send to them or somthin!
GCS
... near pedofilia (Dalmar Coryn I know they didn't DO anyting but he did try to suduce a 17 yr old and hes what in his 100's?)...
Yes, well, Dalamar may be in his 100's...but that's not terribly old for an elf. He does look pretty old now, but he's really not. Maybe approaching middle age.
Hey, if you have a problem with this, then why not with Tanis and Laurana? People were mistaking her for his grandaughter!
I think the logo is connected with the theme of its age. The original was a lance for the WotL era. The second was a dragon for the Dragon Overlords era. The third...?
Yes, well, Dalamar may be in his 100's...but that's not terribly old for an elf. He does look pretty old now, but he's really not. Maybe approaching middle age.
Hey, if you have a problem with this, then why not with Tanis and Laurana? People were mistaking her for his grandaughter!
You got a point here, and I always did think it was goffy too. Also I do realize that Dalamar is about middle age still that reminds me of my boss, a 35 yr old who hits on people half his age. Its still not right. Tanis, though aren't he and Laurana fairly close in age? I might be wrong. But its a bit different for that too as a Human ages faster than an elf, and usually if the elf is a female she already older than the elf male.... in any case i guess its more the matureity. As Dalamar is like a middle aged man and Coryn is a girl of barely 17, its way different from Tanis and Laurana. Why you ask... because that was why Tanis didn't want to be with Laurana at first because she wasn't mature and was a snooty little girl that got all she wanted, when she grew up and mature Tanis saw that she was mature and had changed. Not the case for either Mina nor Coryn. But thats just my opinion.
GCS
I liked the pre-SAGA one, but I've become accustomed to the one that's used now. Any change would have to be pretty damn good, and really if it's just going to amount to a removal of the red dragon or something along those lines, I'd be inclined to say "don't bother".
Cheers,
Cam
GCS
I liked the pre-SAGA one, but I've become accustomed to the one that's used now. Any change would have to be pretty damn good, and really if it's just going to amount to a removal of the red dragon or something along those lines, I'd be inclined to say "don't bother".
Agreed.
If it's going to be a change...then it needs to be a change...not a regression to what came before.
if they had a fan deasighn it it would be nice but then you are faceing the problem that it might be a anime style drawing
Meh, I despise anime for Dragonlance. I'd rather it either stay the same or go back to the old version rather than go towards anime.
The ugly dragon must be purged. ;)
and their is nothing wrong with anime art style =)
and their is nothing wrong with anime art style =)
Nothing except for everything
GCS
Nothing except for everything
GCS
Exactly.that's ok. the world is big enough to accomodate everyone's individual tastes. in any case, this is highly off topic for this forum.
Meh, I despise anime for Dragonlance. I'd rather it either stay the same or go back to the old version rather than go towards anime.
For a person who dispises Anime so much, you have a very anime-y avatar. :P
I'm a bad person to be weighing in on art, as my first experience with DL was the 3.5 campaign book, so I'm used to Stawicki covers and stylish inner art.
Vinod Rams and Jason Engle are Dragonlance to me. When I first saw an Elmore piece, my reaction was "What the crap? How did this look cool, even in the '80s?".
Then again, I'm an atypical DL fan...
On the Logo issue: if the dragon was more like the ones in the Monster Manual instead of the ones from the Monstrous Manual, it would look far better.
Remember, kids: Anime is technically any art that shows action over realism.
tl;dr - I'd rather have stylistic DL than 1stEd/2ndEd DL.
-TRRW
At least the old Elmore images had the "epic" feel to them that DL is supposed to represent.
The average joe doesn't care what the "true" definition of anime is. Anything that's cartoonish with huge honkin eyes and ridiculous colours is anime-enough for me. If DL were to go this route, I'd drop it in a New York minute. Some of the art in the Bestiary of Krynn was bad enough as it is; that whisper spiding being a darn good example. Sorry, I don't consider cartoons to properly represent the DL image.
At least the old Elmore images had the "epic" feel to them that DL is supposed to represent.
Exactly. "Anime" for me is anything where the human figure's eyes constitute 67% of the person's face ... hence why my chosen avatar isn't considered anime (by me). I'd have to support wolffenjugend's view ... let's leave anime-style logos for the saturday morning cartoons.
I know you want to attract new young blood to the game, but resorting to anime?!?!? Whenever I see anime it screams poor story and bad dialogue. Exactly the opposite of Dragonlance. Please no more anime, animish, anime-esque, or japanation.
I hate to say it, but all of this sounds like a stubborn insistence on buying into stereotypes. Manga and anime are no more or less guilty of having poor story or bad dialogue than any Western medium, and in keeping to this point of view you're pretty much slapping hundreds of thousands of Japanese fantasy and sci-fi fans upside the head with the ignorant stick.
I know this might be hard to stomach, but if you think the anime you've watched in the past is bad, you might try looking at the horrendous non-anime stuff you can pick up in video rental stores or on bookshelves here in the west that's created by westerners.
Cheers,
Cam
I just think the animation is ridiculous. /shrug
It's all a matter of taste. Quite honestly, I agree with Cam's assessment above regarding anime/manga.
However, we need to get back to discussion of the logo.
If a new logo were to be created, what sort of design elements would you like to see incorporated?
dude, that would be the busiest logo i've ever seen. remember that a brand logo aims to be simple and memorable, and packs a huge punch in as small a package as possible.
I know. I want my cake and to eat it as well. I just want something that screams Dragonlance.
I think the classic logo with a more Elmore-esque dragon somewhere along there, with the moons of magic rising from behind the logo is what I'd like to see.