1. Stats on Raistlin at the height of his power (yeah, whatever that means)
2. Rules on whatever magical ritual is required to create your own Flying Citadel. Though if hard-pressed I suppose one could make do with the Stronghold Builder's Guidebook rules. Barring this, a map of the flying citadel used in the book. Unless of course this topic is already covered in the WotL accessory.
3. Stats and character write-ups on all the big name movers and shakers of the trilogy (aside from Raistlin of course) ... Par-Salian, Ladonna, Justarius, the Kingpriest, Caramon (updated from WotL), Tas (updated), Bupu (since she was cut from WotL!), Lord Soth!, Kitiara!!, Skie?, Lord Gunthar, Tanis (updated), Tika (for sake of completeness), Bertrem, Astinus, Kharas, King Duncan, Reghar Fireforge, Riverwind's ancestor (his name escapes me at the moment).
4. What I'd really love would be excrutiatingly detailed info. on playing during the time of Istar. However, that's likely beyond the bounds of the book, so I'd like to see something more modest, like:
a. At the least, a few paragraphs on running Istar Era campaigns (e.g. class availability/modifications, notes on deities and their flocks, adventure hooks)
b. At the very least a nice map of the city of Istar and WotL-type mini-geography-style entry on the city itself ... who the prominent people are, city population, important sites, adventure hooks, etc.
c. At most, a giant chapter (say, 50 pages) on the city of Istar and its environs, with a fantabulous dry-erase fold-out color self-adhesive poster-map.
So the section devoted to Istar could be a nice little teaser for a possible Age of Istar accessory. :D
5. Info. on all the places Fisty/Raist's army travelled through during its formation, such as the various settlements of Solamnia (Caergoth, Solanthus, Palanthas, etc.) and Abanasinia, how these locations differed from the War of the Lance era, and so on.
6. A few pages on the vagaries of travel and existence within the small portion of the Abyss Raistlin visited. :D Consider this a teaser section for a Krynnish planar handbook!
7. All the other standard things people expect of accessories ... new prestige classes, new spells, new feats, new magic items, etc.
Cheers,
Cam
Flying citadel creation's covered in the WOTL sourcebook, yes.
Cheers,
Cam
Sweeeeeeet. Damn, two more weeks to go before I get my copy.
I'd like to see the Abyss fleshed out a bit since Raist, Caramon, Crysania, and Tas were all there. Demons, devils, and abominations specific to Krynn and the like.
A nice layout of Thorbardin would be great as well as pre and post Skullcap.
A geography section of Ansalon that rivals the WoTL book for the time period.
Of course new feats, spells, PrCs, Core classes, mundane items, magical items, etc
We've all heard the hubbub about a possible/likely/something or other sourcebook/accessory based on the Legends trilogy of novels. What's everyone here hope to see in the book? Here's what I'm hoping for:
1. Stats on Raistlin at the height of his power (yeah, whatever that means)
I think they really dropped the ball on not showing the advancement of the characters as the novels progressed. In the SW RPG sourcebook, they give you the updates where you can see how Luke Skywalker started out, at the beginning of A NEW HOPE is a level 2 fringer, and how it has his stats at the end of A New Hope, his stat's again at the beginning of RETURN OF THE JEDI, and again in the NEW JEDI ORDER.
They should have done the same with DragonLance. Show their stat's at the very beginning when they are all returning to the Inn in Solace. Show their stat's again after they have freed Pax Tharkas. Show their stat's again when they have been seperated after the attack on Taris. Show their stats again after the battle of the High Clerists Tower, and finally when the novel's are over at the end of Dragons of Spring Dawning.
2. Rules on whatever magical ritual is required to create your own Flying Citadel. Though if hard-pressed I suppose one could make do with the Stronghold Builder's Guidebook rules. Barring this, a map of the flying citadel used in the book. Unless of course this topic is already covered in the WotL accessory.
That woudl be interesting, I would not mind that.
3. Stats and character write-ups on all the big name movers and shakers of the trilogy (aside from Raistlin of course) ... Par-Salian, Ladonna, Justarius, the Kingpriest, Caramon (updated from WotL), Tas (updated), Bupu (since she was cut from WotL!), Lord Soth!, Kitiara!!, Skie?, Lord Gunthar, Tanis (updated), Tika (for sake of completeness), Bertrem, Astinus, Kharas, King Duncan, Reghar Fireforge, Riverwind's ancestor (his name escapes me at the moment).
Agreed on all that.
4. What I'd really love would be excrutiatingly detailed info. on playing during the time of Istar. However, that's likely beyond the bounds of the book, so I'd like to see something more modest, like:
a. At the least, a few paragraphs on running Istar Era campaigns (e.g. class availability/modifications, notes on deities and their flocks, adventure hooks)
b. At the very least a nice map of the city of Istar and WotL-type mini-geography-style entry on the city itself ... who the prominent people are, city population, important sites, adventure hooks, etc.
c. At most, a giant chapter (say, 50 pages) on the city of Istar and its environs, with a fantabulous dry-erase fold-out color self-adhesive poster-map.
So the section devoted to Istar could be a nice little teaser for a possible Age of Istar accessory. :D
I think a supplement based on the time of the 1st Dragon War all up to the day of the Cataclysm, when "Krynn was still whole" would be great.
5. Info. on all the places Fisty/Raist's army travelled through during its formation, such as the various settlements of Solamnia (Caergoth, Solanthus, Palanthas, etc.) and Abanasinia, how these locations differed from the War of the Lance era, and so on.
6. A few pages on the vagaries of travel and existence within the small portion of the Abyss Raistlin visited. :D Consider this a teaser section for a Krynnish planar handbook!
7. All the other standard things people expect of accessories ... new prestige classes, new spells, new feats, new magic items, etc.
Agreed on all.
Cheers,
Cam
Welcome to my ignore list, Sitara!
Cheers,
Cam
How does one go about doing that Cam? It may come in handy.
As to the Legends sourcebook:
How about having it include information from after the War of the Lance until just before the Summer of Chaos?
I would enjoy a map of Zhaman before and after the boom.
A city-map of Istar would be good.
*EDIT* Figured it out, thanks anyway though!
Would rather see a Source book about Pre-Cataclism ages, Order of Stars(Gods, Cleric, Druids, Paladin, and Ranger source book), DL Atlas(important sites from every age of krynn not just WoS), Taladas source book(with a fold out map)
Other then that would like alot of pre-made adventures. That would be good.
Me personally wouldn't care to see a Legend Source book. WHy do we need one?
Would rather see a Source book about Pre-Cataclism ages, Order of Stars(Gods, Cleric, Druids, Paladin, and Ranger source book), DL Atlas(important sites from every age of krynn not just WoS), Taladas source book(with a fold out map)
Other then that would like alot of pre-made adventures. That would be good.
Same here. Sourcebook like Legends would sure have nice info, but really, what is the use? It details few eras of history (important, but maybe not that usefull in game terms/playable), and it will still probably detail them too little.
I think there should be more age-specific campaign sourcebooks:
- Age of Huma (details of time before and after Third Dragon War);
- Age of Might (detailing long period of Istar reign; AND those last days with our favorite heroes there travelling through time).
- Age of something (maybe more smaller supplement/adventure supplement detailing years from Blue Lady's War to Chaos War - with details of those wars also).
3. Stats and character write-ups on all the big name movers and shakers of the trilogy (aside from Raistlin of course) ... Par-Salian, Ladonna, Justarius, the Kingpriest, Caramon (updated from WotL), Tas (updated), Bupu (since she was cut from WotL!), Lord Soth!, Kitiara!!, Skie?, Lord Gunthar, Tanis (updated), Tika (for sake of completeness), Bertrem, Astinus, Kharas, King Duncan, Reghar Fireforge, Riverwind's ancestor (his name escapes me at the moment).
Bupu is in the WotL sourcebook.
Same here. Sourcebook like Legends would sure have nice info, but really, what is the use? It details few eras of history (important, but maybe not that usefull in game terms/playable), and it will still probably detail them too little.
I think there should be more age-specific campaign sourcebooks:
- Age of Huma (details of time before and after Third Dragon War);
- Age of Might (detailing long period of Istar reign; AND those last days with our favorite heroes there travelling through time).
- Age of something (maybe more smaller supplement/adventure supplement detailing years from Blue Lady's War to Chaos War - with details of those wars also).
In addition to simply covering the locations/characters/eras of Legends, it is also going to deal with how to run Dragonlance campaigns that follow the topics and themes of Legends -- including relationships, redemption, time travel, alternate realities, etc. At first I wasn't sure how a Legends sourcebook would work, but one blinding flash of inspiration later, I now think most Dragonlance gamer fans will be pleased.
Jamie Chambers
Sovereign Press, Inc.
What about adding the Revered Sons and Daughters of Paladine PrC?
So the Legends book will detail more about exactly how to run a DL campaign flavorwise....That's cool! If I understand you correctly Jamie, that is...it seems as if this will be a book dealing with emphasis on character relationships...the what if campaigns...and so on...this could be the best sourcebook yet!
It will have all those things PLUS the specific information on the characters, places, creatures, etc. that happened during the novels. So you get the best of both worlds!
Jamie Chambers
Sovereign Press, Inc.
When is it due out or has no date been given yet?
What about adding the Revered Sons and Daughters of Paladine PrC?
Right now we're planning on the Legends sourcebook as our GenCon release next year, which means it should have a September or October 2005 release date. This is all tentative for the moment, however.
Jamie Chambers
Sovereign Press, Inc.
Welcome to my ignore list, Sitara!
Cheers,
Cam
Huh? Did I miss something? Who's "Sitara"? I don't see any of her (his?) posts, were they deleted or something?
Huh? Did I miss something? Who's "Sitara"? I don't see any of her (his?) posts, were they deleted or something?
Yup, it looks like they have been. His/her last posts were nothing but outright attacks on Sovereign Press, which isn't appreciated by pretty much anyone on these boards.
I think that it deserves a PrC Serena because not every cleric of Paladine was rewarded with that title. Sure, they are all clerics but if you think about it in terms of a hierarchy like the Catholic Church, a priest is a priest. But a priest can become a bishop or even the Pope, but you have to be a priest first, and not every priest become a bishop or Pope.
I have to so with Serena on this one dude. No need for Revered Brother, Sister, Father, or Mother of anyone. Could you imagine all the PrCs there would need to be if every diety in HOotS had a PrC for their clergy. The ones we have from DLCS and AoM sould work fine with the ones from the WoTC supplemental and Complete books.
Right now we're planning on the Legends sourcebook as our GenCon release next year, which means it should have a September or October 2005 release date. This is all tentative for the moment, however.
Jamie Chambers
Sovereign Press, Inc.
I hope the Legend Source book won't be high on the price tag. Considering we have the War of the Lance coming out soon, and that will cover pretty much everything in that era. Maybe a soft cover book to save on cash. Even though its a year off planning. That would be my only wish list for a Legend Source book.
I would like there to be a PrC for each deity because I also miss specialty priests. I think they did the wrong thing in 3e by getting rid of spheres. I think it really helped to distinguish clerics from eachother. A cleric of chemosh should have different spell selection than a cleric of mishikal. Granted they can choose different spells, but I think they should have different spell avaliablities also. Domains are a neat little thing, but I think its too little. Also I like to see PrC's because I like to see differences in the church. There are regular clerics in the church, maybe a few Favored Souls, maybe a few Reverend Brothers/Sisters? I don't like everyone in the church as just clerics.. with all the same spells and turning undead... but they maybe have different domains. Most deities don't have a plethra of domains anyways..so yea there might be a difference, but probably not too much.
I would like to see PrC's that cater to the god's portfolios more. A cleric of Mishakal gets bonuses for healing and such, Kiri-Jolith with fighting, Chemosh with commanding/raising undead, etc.
I think that it deserves a PrC Serena because not every cleric of Paladine was rewarded with that title. Sure, they are all clerics but if you think about it in terms of a hierarchy like the Catholic Church, a priest is a priest. But a priest can become a bishop or even the Pope, but you have to be a priest first, and not every priest become a bishop or Pope.
I disagree as well with that.
First, you have the levels. Crude but effective way to distinguish between clerics serving the same god. I wish 3.XE was still using the titles (and the restriction on how many can exist at the same time) that were introduced in the old DL hardcover.
Second, people have to stop wishing for PrC left and right when none are needed.
Heard of something called "temporal power"? It's when others of your kind invest you with power over them (or you seize it). You get to give orders, be respected (or feared, or both) and you even have the right to a nice-sounding title that no one else can use. How cool is that?
And all without the need to use yet another PrC.
I'll use a (stupid) example.
Let's say you begin as a soldier. After many years of hard work and dedication to your job (namely: becoming better at it because of continuous training), you finally get promoted to general.
Do you seriously think you need a PrC for every grade along the way, or even just for the last one? Of course not!
PrC were supposed to be rare and wondrous things you had to sweat a lot for. Nowadays, there are so many of them they have been trivialized.
I am mayor of a village. Need a PrC for that!
I am the knight's squire. That is so rare, surely it deserves a PrC!
Today my wife gave birth to a son. Gosh! Where is the "Dad" PrC?
Today my wife gave birth to a son. Gosh! Where is the "Dad" PrC?
Don't forget the Husband PrC god knows every man needs training for that.
I think that it is funny that people are more than willing to allow others to express their opinions and think that they should be able to disagree or agree. They are merely that, opinions and people should be free to express them without sarcasm being included in the the picture.
Unfortunately that's the only way you can drive the point home with some people. It's not the most pleasant way of doing it, but it does sort help put things in perspective.
The fact of the matter is that you can do a lot with the regular PC classes without having to have a specially created PrC, especially with multiclassing, skill ranks, and feat selection. A PrC isn't meant to be the continuation of your chosen class, that's why you have up to 20 levels of PC classes and only 3-10 levels in a PrC. PrC's are to give uniqueness to a group of people or a certain character.
Oh and by the way, anyone can become pope. You just have get rid of the sitting one first, then the council of bishops, or cardinals, or whatever get to vote for anyone they like as the next pope.
On Legends ... I'd be damn interested in seeing the section on alternate Krynns. So far we know of three novel-detailed alternate Krynns:
1. Where Raist succeeded in becoming a God.
2. Where the Kingpriest succeeded in toppling the entire pantheon and ascended to godhood.
3. Where Bupu ascended to godhood ... erm, oops, made this one up. :D
4. The timeline Tas visited where Tak had never stolen the world, the elves were united, the humans were united, and everyone lived happily ever after ...
On an interesting note, apparently each deity's clergy (including Tak and Pal) are getting their own prestige class in the upcoming Holy Orders book.
Yep. All eighteen of them.
Don't know what it's like to be a cleric of Shinare or Habbakuk? Can't work out the difference between Gilean and Zivilyn? You won't have much trouble after this book.
Cheers,
Cam
I understand why people get tired of seeing more and more of this stuff, but this is the stuff I personally look foward to in books. I'm always looking for more options.
And as an addendum to the pope thing, only a male Catholic can rise to the See of St. Peter.
And as an addendum to the pope thing, only a male Catholic can rise to the See of St. Peter.
But since priests of the Roman Catholic church all have to be male, that's hardly a restriction on the job ...
As I said in a previous post, I'm glad they are having a PrC for every god. I think it adds more flavor and diversity. I understand that you can make different PC's depending on the feat choices, but anything that adds more things to the game I'm in favor of. More feats, PrC's, and spells always make me happy.
I understand why people get tired of seeing more and more of this stuff, but this is the stuff I personally look foward to in books. I'm always looking for more options.
I'm like that too. Some people will turn to the geography section of a sourcebook first, others to the timeline. My first stop in the characters chapter, as I want new ideas on things to play.
What I like about Dragonlance is that the PrCs all seem to fill a role within the world, so they're not really superfluous.
In addition to simply covering the locations/characters/eras of Legends, it is also going to deal with how to run Dragonlance campaigns that follow the topics and themes of Legends -- including relationships, redemption, time travel, alternate realities, etc.
*cough* Darklance *cough*
Oh, excuse me, seems I have a cold. ;) :D
Sorry to be sort of off-topic, but I didnt want to start a seperate thread for something so trivial. I am getting into DLCS stuff now, because I find FR boring...are there any other accessories for 3.x other than the DLCS? I know you guys are talking of the upcoming Legends doo-dad, but what is WoTL? Is there anything else? Once again, sorry for off-topic.....to add to it....I would like to see better art in the upcomming accessories...i hate the old style. And...I want a full-size poster of Tika...that I can mount on my wall and make my girlfriend jealous? Thanks!
Check here. As you can see, there are a fair number of 3.5 books out. Legends won't be out for quite a while (this time next year), but WotL = War of the Lance, an accessory for running Dragonlance campaigns that take place from the beginning of the 4th Age up to and including the War of the Lance.
Dunno if there's a good full-sized picture of Tika.
There is a couple of Stawicki ones of Tika's granddaughter Linsha however. They look exactly the same (for some reason - genetics in dragonlance is a bit weird).
2. Where the Kingpriest succeeded in toppling the entire pantheon and ascended to godhood.
Where is this from? I have almost all of the novels and game books, and haven't seen or heard this before. I am very interested in reading this, as stuff like this is very interesting.
Thanks.
Where is this from? I have almost all of the novels and game books, and haven't seen or heard this before. I am very interested in reading this, as stuff like this is very interesting.
Thanks.
The short story There Is Another Shore, You Know, Upon The Other Side by Roger E. Moore in the anthology The Dragons of Chaos, first printed in December 1997.
I'm a big fan of alternate history stories also, even if they involve a history that is entirely imaginary.
The short story There Is Another Shore, You Know, Upon The Other Side by Roger E. Moore in the anthology The Dragons of Chaos, first printed in December 1997.
I'm a big fan of alternate history stories also, even if they involve a history that is entirely imaginary.
I have that book, I must have missed that story (wonder what else I missed?). Thanks, I have been looking for something to read until my copy of Amber and Ashes comes in at my comic shop.
I wonder what it would be like to play a game in that kind of setting?
War of the Dark Lance
'Nuff said. ;)
War of the Dark Lance
'Nuff said. ;)
Erm, that doesn't look like it has anything in common with a campaign where the Kingpriest defeated the Gods, except for the fact that it is also an "alternate" campaign ...
Erm, that doesn't look like it has anything in common with a campaign where the Kingpriest defeated the Gods, except for the fact that it is also an "alternate" campaign ...
Whoops, sorry, I thought he was talking about alternate settings in general.
But since priests of the Roman Catholic church all have to be male, that's hardly a restriction on the job ...
But one has to have a PhD in theology to be on the Vatican's Comittee for Doctrine and Orthodoxy (Maybe.) And one has to be an experienced personnel administrator to be Archbishop of Canterbury. And one has to have a great deal of experience with public speaking and personal charisma to be a successful TV preacher. And one has to have a background in medicine to run a missionary hospital in Africa.
All clerics of the same god. Very different sets of skills and abilities. Prestige classes are tailor-made for this situation.
All clerics of the same god. Very different sets of skills and abilities. Prestige classes are tailor-made for this situation.
Personally, I like the idea that one god can have several different types of followers.
Take Mishakal for example. She has clerics, yet her followers could also include healers from the Miniatures HB. Add to that a specialty PrC, and you have three types of divine agents right there.
Habbakuk also fits the bill. His followers include at least Knights of the Crown as well as rangers, not to mention any specialty PrCs.
Anyway, back to your regularly scheduled discussion. ;)
Was that the intent of the Kingpriest to become a god or merely to obtain the ability to destroy evil in all of its forms?
I think it was both. He wanted to become a god so he could destoy evil in all forms.