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Why doesn't anyone "rule" the transitive planes? (braces for flame)

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#1
prophet_of_chaos
Sep 22, 2004 17:38:34 *ducks behind his desk*

Umm...I realize that this is probably a stupid question...but common! The Elemental Plane of Ooze has a ruler for crying out loud! Ooze! Of all things to rule! And the hell was Bwinmb anyway. A giant sentient ball of ooze wearing robes?

Anyway...I just thought it was weird that no one had tried this. If I lived in PS I'd just show up on day and say

"Ummm....cough cough...I'm the Lord of th Astral (insert evil laugh)" Surely someone out there is that bored/powerful/conceited. Right? And if not...I'm the Lord of the Astral-bye! (runs)
#2
lord_of_the_ninth_02
Sep 22, 2004 17:49:04 The lich queen of the Githyanki could be argued to rule that plane. As for the shadow and etheral, I couldn't tell you.
#3
zombiegleemax
Sep 22, 2004 17:54:28 The Githyanki rule the Astral plane.
"Ummm....cough cough...I'm the Lord of th Astral (insert evil laugh)" Surely someone out there is that bored/powerful/conceited. Right? And if not...I'm the Lord of the Astral-bye!

[much waving of Vorpal swords, screams, limbs flying akimbo, etc. later...]
Githyanki: Right, that's him dealt with. Any questions?

I always thought Bwimb was an Ooze mephit, but I'm probably wrong.

The Para-Elemental planes all sit between planes that play host to powerful critters - lords of djinni and efritti, for example. They end up just acting as battlegrounds, I guess... although I do wonder about the plane of ice, though - it's inhospitable to both water and air creatures.
#4
prophet_of_chaos
Sep 22, 2004 20:01:02 Bet I can!
#5
raymond_luxury_yacht
Sep 22, 2004 21:34:25
although I do wonder about the plane of ice, though - it's inhospitable to both water and air creatures.

Ice is ruled by an Archomental named Cryonax, who is plotting to take over the Inner Planes.
#6
voldenuit
Sep 23, 2004 1:43:03
The Githyanki rule the Astral plane.

I'm sure the Psurlons would have some bones of contention with that.

Heck, even the Elemental lords don't really "rule" their Planes for the most part, instead carving out fiefdom or making ineffectual proclamations of their "power".

The Ethergaunts are probbly the most powerful and dangerous race living in the Ethereal, but I wouldn't say they rule it. And he Nathri are probably the most numerous race in the Ethereal, but again, they don't rule it.
#7
zombiegleemax
Sep 23, 2004 4:21:49
I'm sure the Psurlons would have some bones of contention with that.

I suppose so, but the Githyanki impose their rule so much on the silver void that to the casual observer they would seem to be the rulers.

I guess you could try to rule the Ethereal, Prophet of Chaos, provided you don't mind the masses of wizards with their demiplanes, the highly independent and dangerous native creatures and of course Ravenloft and the demiplane of shadows existing within 'your' realm. If you were far more powerful than both the dark powers of Ravenloft and every single mage in the plane, then you should be able to impose your will.
#8
nedlum
Sep 23, 2004 12:24:30 There's also some sort of city floating around there. I think it was a trade crossroads type, which doesn't make a heck of a lot of sense, but it seemed to be doing well enough. Maybe people would go there, then guides could take them to various prime spheres, demiplanes, and inner planes.

So take over that place for starters. Or alternativly, find a forming demiplane as your base. And then become friends with Neth, tell him lots of stuff, and maybe he'll tell you what you need to know to rule the plane.

Or, you could take over the Ordial. That could be easy, once you find it.
#9
zombiegleemax
Sep 23, 2004 16:42:46
Umm...I realize that this is probably a stupid question...but common! The Elemental Plane of Ooze has a ruler for crying out loud! Ooze! Of all things to rule! And the hell was Bwinmb anyway. A giant sentient ball of ooze wearing robes?

As a native of the Plane of Ooze, I feel the need to reply to your post. My home, which you so callously mock, is ruled by Bwimb...but in name more than anything else. And nah, she's not a mephit. What she is is an archomental, similar to but much less powerful than those such as Imix or Olhydra, and she commands the ooze paraelementals. The rest of us, however, don't really listen to her. If she wants to come here and enforcer her will...then maybe things will be different. But seeing as how she's stretched pretty thin ruling what she's got, I doubt that'll ever happen.

As Voldenuit said, I don't think that anyone rules an entire plane, not even those monolithic rulers like Kossuth. Here, we got Bwimb, but we also have the mephits (heh...I'd like to see what might be crazy enough to try and rule them...), ooze sprites, exiles, and the rest of us. And none of them control an overwhelming share of the plane, since there's always more ooze out there. I'm guessing things are the same elsewhere, transitive planes included, at least from what I've seen.

So, Prophet of Chaos, go ahead and claim your lordship over an entire plane. But have fun enforcing your rule.

Slithe
#10
prophet_of_chaos
Sep 23, 2004 17:42:31 1. Thank you for not flaming me. But then again, you planars always seemed more mature than the primes on the other boards anyway.

2. Does everyone realize that I was kidding about taking over the Ethereal? Just a little transitive humour their folks.

3.Bwimb's dead baby.

4. "Ahem. I am now the Lord of the Ethereal. Please add me to the Planar Lords mailing list. Thank you."

5. Hey, where's that inevitable going? Oh crap! (Runs)
#11
factol_rhys_dup
Sep 23, 2004 21:33:50 I think that the reason for the lack of any overall ruler is that neither plane welcomes any kind of large-scale rule. The Ethereal Plane is composed of possibility; it has no overall theme. The Astral Plane was simply never meant for mortals to reach. It exists between planes.

Probably, both have powerful figures who are situated in the plane, but neither has any kind of terrain that can be conquered or claimed. They're both voids filled with planar energies, more often than not. They're probably the "least-there" of all the planes.
#12
zombiegleemax
Sep 23, 2004 22:12:24
3.Bwimb's dead baby.

So am I, but you don't see it slowing me down any...

: Primus goes off to draw four MILLION different random and utterly mindless Planescape-themed drawings:
#13
prophet_of_chaos
Sep 24, 2004 2:30:58 Didn't you get replaced? How's that workin' out for you?
#14
zombiegleemax
Sep 24, 2004 9:55:34
3.Bwimb's dead baby.

Bwimb's "daughter" (? !), Bwimb II is now ruler of Ooze.
#15
incenjucar
Sep 28, 2004 2:30:00 Honestly, it's even questionable if beings as powerful as Asmodeus truly -rule- their planes. However, they're the visible beings for the part of the planes most frequented. Infinite planes are hard for -anyone- to control in full.

"The planes you know are just a tiny fraction of what's out there. Your meager knowledge is just that fad of existance which is most presently popular. We know where gather serpentine celestials, and fiends made of soil and grass. We know where in the Waste the baern have never dreamed. Greater things lie in the vistas and horizons of the planes than any Sigilian Xaostect could hope to ponder on. Indeed, few even realize how many worlds rest within their own frail forms. Flesh and Fiend alike have no idea how grand and minute the cosmos be... how insignificant even the Lady is, when compared to what has not been discovered since before Baator had its Ancients."
#16
zombiegleemax
Oct 06, 2004 12:33:50 I contemplated the use of epic spells before to exact some kind of toll upon people using teleport and plane shift spells. It would essentially work like a big dimensional lock spell, but could be circumvented by using some jink as additional spell component, which would be transported to the bood in charge of the spell. Set this up around some prime metropolis and watch the gold flow in ...

Now a power could use the same scheme on a much grander scale - paying one gold piece per teleport or transit through the astral in general wouldn't greatly inconvenience most peope and would greatly contribute to the the power's worldly powerbase.

Another stray thought: Why not have the teleporting character transfer 5XP as usage tax instead of money? To be used in creating magical items of course. Mmhh, I really have to incorporate that somewhere: A prime metropolis under the control of the wizards' guild, one of the greatest centers of magic research. Charge people coming in through the gate money and those coming by teleport twice that much in money or alternatively a small amount of XP. Gives the rulers and almost inassailable powerbase and allows for multiple hooks involving abuse of this system.

#17
uratoh
Oct 11, 2004 15:08:51 It's like playing Risk. everyone wants Asia, but heck if anyone else is gonna let you have it.
#18
Tevish_Szat
Oct 23, 2004 0:19:08
Bet I can!

Tough luck. i don't know much about 2e's ethereal, but 3e brought us ethergaunts, which most certainly can be said to rule the ehtereal. i doubt they'd like a 'lower life form' (translation: non-ethergaunt) claiming to be ruler.

As for shadow... maybe you could declare yourself ruler of shadow.
#19
weenie
Nov 01, 2004 17:47:37
i don't know much about 2e's ethereal, but 3e brought us ethergaunts, which most certainly can be said to rule the ehtereal. i doubt they'd like a 'lower life form' (translation: non-ethergaunt) claiming to be ruler.

OT: The ethergaunts are among the most poorly conceived, munchkinish, quasi-borg, quasi-predator, cross-genre uber-races I've ever seen. And they come in, woo-hoo, color-based castes, which is so very original and interesting that I almost fell asleep. Freaking sharks with laser beams.

Now back to your regular programming.
#20
zombiegleemax
Nov 01, 2004 17:51:45 Which is why we have people like Mechalich to make them interesting and fun! Someone summon up a link!!!!!!!!!
#21
gray_richardson
Nov 01, 2004 18:38:18 It's on the Bone-Box Rattler Website, try here:

http://planescape.deviceforthesoul.com/bbrattler/viewforum.php?f=11&sid=438fb615bd8a38cd0427b8d2329bd47b

If that doesn't work for you try going to:

http://planescape.deviceforthesoul.com/bbrattler/index.php

then click on the Xenobiology forum and look for the one about Ethergaunts.

Mechalich wrote some very wonderful flavor text about the Ethergaunts, enough to inspire plot hooks for a campaign that could run for years.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
#1 prophet_of_chaos Sep 22, 2004 17:38:34	ducks behind his desk Umm...I realize that this is probably a stupid question...but common! The Elemental Plane of Ooze has a ruler for crying out loud! Ooze! Of all things to rule! And the hell was Bwinmb anyway. A giant sentient ball of ooze wearing robes? Anyway...I just thought it was weird that no one had tried this. If I lived in PS I'd just show up on day and say "Ummm....cough cough...I'm the Lord of th Astral (insert evil laugh)" Surely someone out there is that bored/powerful/conceited. Right? And if not...I'm the Lord of the Astral-bye! (runs)
#2 lord_of_the_ninth_02 Sep 22, 2004 17:49:04	The lich queen of the Githyanki could be argued to rule that plane. As for the shadow and etheral, I couldn't tell you.
#3 zombiegleemax Sep 22, 2004 17:54:28	The Githyanki rule the Astral plane. "Ummm....cough cough...I'm the Lord of th Astral (insert evil laugh)" Surely someone out there is that bored/powerful/conceited. Right? And if not...I'm the Lord of the Astral-bye! [much waving of Vorpal swords, screams, limbs flying akimbo, etc. later...] Githyanki: Right, that's him dealt with. Any questions? I always thought Bwimb was an Ooze mephit, but I'm probably wrong. The Para-Elemental planes all sit between planes that play host to powerful critters - lords of djinni and efritti, for example. They end up just acting as battlegrounds, I guess... although I do wonder about the plane of ice, though - it's inhospitable to both water and air creatures.
#4 prophet_of_chaos Sep 22, 2004 20:01:02	Bet I can!
#5 raymond_luxury_yacht Sep 22, 2004 21:34:25	although I do wonder about the plane of ice, though - it's inhospitable to both water and air creatures. Ice is ruled by an Archomental named Cryonax, who is plotting to take over the Inner Planes.
#6 voldenuit Sep 23, 2004 1:43:03	The Githyanki rule the Astral plane. I'm sure the Psurlons would have some bones of contention with that. Heck, even the Elemental lords don't really "rule" their Planes for the most part, instead carving out fiefdom or making ineffectual proclamations of their "power". The Ethergaunts are probbly the most powerful and dangerous race living in the Ethereal, but I wouldn't say they rule it. And he Nathri are probably the most numerous race in the Ethereal, but again, they don't rule it.
#7 zombiegleemax Sep 23, 2004 4:21:49	I'm sure the Psurlons would have some bones of contention with that. I suppose so, but the Githyanki impose their rule so much on the silver void that to the casual observer they would seem to be the rulers. I guess you could try to rule the Ethereal, Prophet of Chaos, provided you don't mind the masses of wizards with their demiplanes, the highly independent and dangerous native creatures and of course Ravenloft and the demiplane of shadows existing within 'your' realm. If you were far more powerful than both the dark powers of Ravenloft and every single mage in the plane, then you should be able to impose your will.
#8 nedlum Sep 23, 2004 12:24:30	There's also some sort of city floating around there. I think it was a trade crossroads type, which doesn't make a heck of a lot of sense, but it seemed to be doing well enough. Maybe people would go there, then guides could take them to various prime spheres, demiplanes, and inner planes. So take over that place for starters. Or alternativly, find a forming demiplane as your base. And then become friends with Neth, tell him lots of stuff, and maybe he'll tell you what you need to know to rule the plane. Or, you could take over the Ordial. That could be easy, once you find it.
#9 zombiegleemax Sep 23, 2004 16:42:46	Umm...I realize that this is probably a stupid question...but common! The Elemental Plane of Ooze has a ruler for crying out loud! Ooze! Of all things to rule! And the hell was Bwinmb anyway. A giant sentient ball of ooze wearing robes? As a native of the Plane of Ooze, I feel the need to reply to your post. My home, which you so callously mock, is ruled by Bwimb...but in name more than anything else. And nah, she's not a mephit. What she is is an archomental, similar to but much less powerful than those such as Imix or Olhydra, and she commands the ooze paraelementals. The rest of us, however, don't really listen to her. If she wants to come here and enforcer her will...then maybe things will be different. But seeing as how she's stretched pretty thin ruling what she's got, I doubt that'll ever happen. As Voldenuit said, I don't think that anyone rules an entire plane, not even those monolithic rulers like Kossuth. Here, we got Bwimb, but we also have the mephits (heh...I'd like to see what might be crazy enough to try and rule them...), ooze sprites, exiles, and the rest of us. And none of them control an overwhelming share of the plane, since there's always more ooze out there. I'm guessing things are the same elsewhere, transitive planes included, at least from what I've seen. So, Prophet of Chaos, go ahead and claim your lordship over an entire plane. But have fun enforcing your rule. Slithe
#10 prophet_of_chaos Sep 23, 2004 17:42:31	1. Thank you for not flaming me. But then again, you planars always seemed more mature than the primes on the other boards anyway. 2. Does everyone realize that I was kidding about taking over the Ethereal? Just a little transitive humour their folks. 3.Bwimb's dead baby. 4. "Ahem. I am now the Lord of the Ethereal. Please add me to the Planar Lords mailing list. Thank you." 5. Hey, where's that inevitable going? Oh crap! (Runs)
#11 factol_rhys_dup Sep 23, 2004 21:33:50	I think that the reason for the lack of any overall ruler is that neither plane welcomes any kind of large-scale rule. The Ethereal Plane is composed of possibility; it has no overall theme. The Astral Plane was simply never meant for mortals to reach. It exists between planes. Probably, both have powerful figures who are situated in the plane, but neither has any kind of terrain that can be conquered or claimed. They're both voids filled with planar energies, more often than not. They're probably the "least-there" of all the planes.
#12 zombiegleemax Sep 23, 2004 22:12:24	3.Bwimb's dead baby. So am I, but you don't see it slowing me down any... : Primus goes off to draw four MILLION different random and utterly mindless Planescape-themed drawings:
#13 prophet_of_chaos Sep 24, 2004 2:30:58	Didn't you get replaced? How's that workin' out for you?
#14 zombiegleemax Sep 24, 2004 9:55:34	3.Bwimb's dead baby. Bwimb's "daughter" (? !), Bwimb II is now ruler of Ooze.
#15 incenjucar Sep 28, 2004 2:30:00	Honestly, it's even questionable if beings as powerful as Asmodeus truly -rule- their planes. However, they're the visible beings for the part of the planes most frequented. Infinite planes are hard for -anyone- to control in full. "The planes you know are just a tiny fraction of what's out there. Your meager knowledge is just that fad of existance which is most presently popular. We know where gather serpentine celestials, and fiends made of soil and grass. We know where in the Waste the baern have never dreamed. Greater things lie in the vistas and horizons of the planes than any Sigilian Xaostect could hope to ponder on. Indeed, few even realize how many worlds rest within their own frail forms. Flesh and Fiend alike have no idea how grand and minute the cosmos be... how insignificant even the Lady is, when compared to what has not been discovered since before Baator had its Ancients."
#16 zombiegleemax Oct 06, 2004 12:33:50	I contemplated the use of epic spells before to exact some kind of toll upon people using teleport and plane shift spells. It would essentially work like a big dimensional lock spell, but could be circumvented by using some jink as additional spell component, which would be transported to the bood in charge of the spell. Set this up around some prime metropolis and watch the gold flow in ... Now a power could use the same scheme on a much grander scale - paying one gold piece per teleport or transit through the astral in general wouldn't greatly inconvenience most peope and would greatly contribute to the the power's worldly powerbase. Another stray thought: Why not have the teleporting character transfer 5XP as usage tax instead of money? To be used in creating magical items of course. Mmhh, I really have to incorporate that somewhere: A prime metropolis under the control of the wizards' guild, one of the greatest centers of magic research. Charge people coming in through the gate money and those coming by teleport twice that much in money or alternatively a small amount of XP. Gives the rulers and almost inassailable powerbase and allows for multiple hooks involving abuse of this system.
#17 uratoh Oct 11, 2004 15:08:51	It's like playing Risk. everyone wants Asia, but heck if anyone else is gonna let you have it.
#18 Tevish_Szat Oct 23, 2004 0:19:08	Bet I can! Tough luck. i don't know much about 2e's ethereal, but 3e brought us ethergaunts, which most certainly can be said to rule the ehtereal. i doubt they'd like a 'lower life form' (translation: non-ethergaunt) claiming to be ruler. As for shadow... maybe you could declare yourself ruler of shadow.
#19 weenie Nov 01, 2004 17:47:37	i don't know much about 2e's ethereal, but 3e brought us ethergaunts, which most certainly can be said to rule the ehtereal. i doubt they'd like a 'lower life form' (translation: non-ethergaunt) claiming to be ruler. OT: The ethergaunts are among the most poorly conceived, munchkinish, quasi-borg, quasi-predator, cross-genre uber-races I've ever seen. And they come in, woo-hoo, color-based castes, which is so very original and interesting that I almost fell asleep. Freaking sharks with laser beams. Now back to your regular programming.
#20 zombiegleemax Nov 01, 2004 17:51:45	Which is why we have people like Mechalich to make them interesting and fun! Someone summon up a link!!!!!!!!!
#21 gray_richardson Nov 01, 2004 18:38:18	It's on the Bone-Box Rattler Website, try here: http://planescape.deviceforthesoul.com/bbrattler/viewforum.php?f=11&sid=438fb615bd8a38cd0427b8d2329bd47b If that doesn't work for you try going to: http://planescape.deviceforthesoul.com/bbrattler/index.php then click on the Xenobiology forum and look for the one about Ethergaunts. Mechalich wrote some very wonderful flavor text about the Ethergaunts, enough to inspire plot hooks for a campaign that could run for years.