Post/Author/DateTime	Post
#1 jon_oracle_of_athas Sep 23, 2004 15:16:00	I've updated the 3.5 prestige class doc. Minor changes mostly, and I've added a new class - the Kuotagha. www.sederqvist.com/ao/downloads.htm
#2 jon_oracle_of_athas Sep 24, 2004 4:53:48	And in case it wasn't in the previous version of the prestige class doc, Dregoth's templars - the Templars of the Scale - are now in the doc. Note that they should have Secular Authority listed as a class ability at 1st level. They will in the next update. Consider the Templar of the Scale a sneak teaser for Dregoth Ascending chapter 1. - Jon
#3 zombiegleemax Sep 24, 2004 9:04:44	http://www.sederqvist.com/ao/3e.htm
#4 jon_oracle_of_athas Sep 26, 2004 20:12:49	Thanks, Ragi. I've edited the URL so it is now correct.
#5 jon_oracle_of_athas Oct 02, 2004 4:28:13	I've re-posted the doc with a little errata. Savage base attack progression should be +1 per level, Templars of the Scale now have Secular Authority, Leeches require an obsidian orb (probably more to follow on that one).
#6 jon_oracle_of_athas Nov 13, 2004 6:24:35	The prestige class doc has been updated again. Tik-tik class has been added. Also, the poisonmaster has a new trick - Quicken Poison, and the Chasseur has a new ability - Nullify Defense*. Make sure to use the new URL: http://www.sederqvist.com/ao/downloads.htm *Note: If anyone downloaded the document earlier today, the Nullify Defense ability has been spread out over 5 levels now. Please download again.
#7 Pennarin Nov 13, 2004 10:21:52	I downloaded every other incarnation of Jon's PrC document in the past but can't save this one. The computer tells me "The document could not be saved. This operation is not permitted." Anyone else has this problem?
#8 jon_oracle_of_athas Nov 13, 2004 10:31:51	Odd. I can download it, so can my friend. We use the same browser as you do. Right click (pdf) and choose Save Target as. That should work in any case.
#9 Pennarin Nov 13, 2004 10:48:24	It did, thanks, but its still odd that I can't use the actual Save As... option in File, or the Save Icon.
#10 jon_oracle_of_athas Nov 14, 2004 8:59:55	It's probably because you're french canadian. The Acrobat Reader software detects it and behaves accordingly. :P
#11 Pennarin Nov 14, 2004 9:25:12	No, I think its because when the opening window for Acrobat first loads it says "Paid for by the party for Bush" and then a small sound bite says "I approved it!".
#12 jon_oracle_of_athas Nov 14, 2004 9:26:19	Lol... Nah, it's because you're french canadian. :D
#13 zombiegleemax Nov 30, 2004 10:15:40	Any comments about the PrC should be posted here? Or you prefer to receive it by e-mail?
#14 jon_oracle_of_athas Nov 30, 2004 16:05:40	E-mail will be fine.
#15 jon_oracle_of_athas Dec 20, 2004 5:18:53	The prestige class doc has been updated again. Enjoy the Wives of Nibenay. :P
#16 zombiegleemax Dec 20, 2004 10:45:15	The prestige class doc has been updated again. Enjoy the Wives of Nibenay. :P I don't dare, I'm afraid of the Shadow King! :D
#17 jon_oracle_of_athas Dec 21, 2004 18:28:31	I don't dare, I'm afraid of the Shadow King! You caught the wording.
#18 nytcrawlr Dec 21, 2004 18:34:25	The prestige class doc has been updated again. Enjoy the Wives of Nibenay. :P That's a damn cool PrC btw. Very interesting idea.
#19 jon_oracle_of_athas Dec 21, 2004 19:41:22	That's a damn cool PrC btw. Very interesting idea. Of course Nibenay's templars are interesting. :D
#20 nytcrawlr Dec 21, 2004 19:53:09	Of course Nibenay's templars are interesting. :D Aye. Topless to naked women rule. ;)
#21 jon_oracle_of_athas Dec 21, 2004 19:55:57	Topless to naked women rule. Literally.
#22 nytcrawlr Dec 21, 2004 19:58:27	Literally.
#23 jon_oracle_of_athas Dec 21, 2004 20:21:11	I need to find a talented illustrator for said prestige class. :P
#24 nytcrawlr Dec 21, 2004 20:36:32	I need to find a talented illustrator for said prestige class. :P Where's good ol Dawn when you need him?
#25 jon_oracle_of_athas Dec 21, 2004 20:39:31	Where's good ol Dawn when you need him? I don't like women with two right hands. Freaks me out. :P
#26 dracochapel Dec 21, 2004 20:45:15	hmm, where on the internet could you find a picture of a 1/2 naked lady? :D Gives you an excuse anyway - "its research".
#27 nytcrawlr Dec 21, 2004 20:47:04	/me watches the firewall's alarms go off left and right as he researches good porn artists
#28 nytcrawlr Dec 21, 2004 20:47:48	I don't like women with two right hands. Freaks me out. :P You got to admit, that old crow is damn sexy though.
#29 dracochapel Dec 21, 2004 20:50:29	Need to find a female Dark Sun fan of the right body shape to dress up :D Tell her its a fancy dress party. Also if the Wives are high level templars doesnt that make em completely naked? Or are they just half naked (and which half)? Nothing wrong with two right hands, the original DS talked about all the different colours and mutations of humans.
#30 nytcrawlr Dec 21, 2004 21:10:24	Also if the Wives are high level templars doesnt that make em completely naked? Or are they just half naked (and which half)? High level templars are completely nude or wear totally revealing clothing according to the novels, PrC, and other sources. Mid-level are topless and low level are usually skimpy from what I remember. Nib's all about the pleasures of the flesh, he's the man, hehe.
#31 dracochapel Dec 22, 2004 0:44:17	Yeah, whats the point of having power if you dont use it to your advantage. Though that 1/2 cilops son of his raises some unpleasant questions He's worse than Colin Farrell - he will **** everything
#32 jon_oracle_of_athas Dec 23, 2004 9:19:33	Though that 1/2 cilops son of his raises some unpleasant questions He's worse than Colin Farrell - he will **** everything I always assumed he was a magical experiment of which I instinctively did not want to go into further detail on. :P
#33 Pennarin Dec 23, 2004 10:31:43	I had to reread the relevant passages in PP to flesh him out as an NPC and like Jon I came to the conclusion that Nibenay brought, or sent, his son (one of many) to the Pristine Tower, but that unlike what happens for all other people who go there he didn't turn into a random creature but in precisly the form (and new powers) that Nibenay wanted for his son. As described in the PP he's pretty unbeatable: shrugs off spells, weapons break on his skin, he falls down from high above and survives to come back, ...
#34 jon_oracle_of_athas Dec 23, 2004 15:50:55	like Jon I came to the conclusion that Nibenay brought, or sent, his son (one of many) to the Pristine Tower, but that unlike what happens for all other people who go there he didn't turn into a random creature but in precisly the form (and new powers) that Nibenay wanted for his son. I never said he was taken to the Pristine Tower. A magical experiment could just as easily been magical manipulation of the fetus of a normally conceived child (as normal as the child of a dragon king is by default that is) to give it the half-cilops traits.
#35 jon_oracle_of_athas Dec 23, 2004 15:52:01	Bah. Doublepost.
#36 Pennarin Dec 23, 2004 18:08:20	I never said he was taken to the Pristine Tower. A magical experiment could just as easily been magical manipulation of the fetus of a normally conceived child (as normal as the child of a dragon king is by default that is) to give it the half-cilops traits. Sorry, I never meant you said that particular phrase, but you did say he was a magical experiment, and that's what I was refering to. The part about going to the Tower, that's from the novel. Its strongly suggested to Sadira that that is how Dhojakt came to be the way he is physically.
#37 jon_oracle_of_athas Jan 13, 2005 14:20:00	The prestige class document has been updated again. It now includes 3.5 versions of the prestige classes from City State of Draj, as well as most of the city-specific templar prestige classes. Only Tyr remains. The doc also includes the 10-level Psionic Monk and Soulknife, but the latter of the two needs a lot of fleshing out, as commented in the doc. Enjoy. (You can get the prestige class doc from the Downloads section on my site).
#38 jon_oracle_of_athas Jan 14, 2005 4:32:05	Templar prestige classes: Moon Priest (Draj) Oba's Servant (Gulg) Servant of Badna (Raam) Shadow Templar (Balic) Templar of the Scale (Guistenal) Yellow Cloak (Urik) Wife of Nibenay (Nibenay) Any name suggestions for Kalak's templars?
#39 zombiegleemax Jan 14, 2005 6:36:08	How about the Birthright Bloodline Score for the children of the SKs. It could be strong or weak, giving them differen't powers etc.
#40 murkaf Jan 14, 2005 7:36:53	Any name suggestions for Kalak's templars? Templar of the Golden Tower Black Cassock (If Urik Templars are to be Yellow Cloaks) King's Templar (vague in the context of the Tablelands, but no one would think of asking "Which one of the Kings?" in Tyr under Kalak's reign)
#41 Kamelion Jan 14, 2005 8:13:20	I like both Templar of the Golden Tower and Black Cassock - perhaps the second one more than the first, even though it sounds a tad more colloquial. I'd also suggest a Balican templar class for games set before Andropinis ended up in the Black, possibly with abilties based around legal manipulation, intimidation and interrogation (given the description of Balic templars in EAFW).
#42 elonarc Jan 14, 2005 8:43:19	I also thought of "King's Templar". There is indeed no question "Which King?" while Kalak reigns.
#43 seker Jan 14, 2005 13:28:21	I have to say it. I love the prestige classes. They are wonderful. (I personally like the black cassok idea for a name for kalaks templars.) BTW, by those prestige classes, the scariest combination I can think of for a defiler on his way to dragonhood would be something like: Psion (telepath)/wizard/leech/myrmilion/cerebremancer. As they could already immitate most of the things the low level dragons were capable of in 2ed. and the fluff. for instance: a psion 3/wizard 3/leech 2/myrmilion 2/cerebremancer 10 ... has 13th level manifester level (7th level powers), 17th level arcane caster (9th level spells), and have the ability to use animal life energy to power spells (as well as boost their caster level for a spell with their own life force), able to hide their defiler taint, and able to store 17 levels of spell energy for later use. overall that is a scary thought. But it fits so well with Athas, just like all the other prestige classes. I have to say I love it. Any thoughts on necromantic based prestige classes for athas..... either those seeking to gain undeath.... or ones that seek to remove them.... (for instance a dwarvern PRC that is focussed on placing banshees to rest and such.)
#44 nytcrawlr Jan 14, 2005 13:30:07	Black Cassock works for me too, I think it fits perfectly.
#45 the_peacebringer Jan 14, 2005 14:42:51	I was wondering if anybody was working or has worked on the Hunter Noble's and Judaga's (from Gulg) PrCs, yet. I'm working on them at the moment and I'm looking for ideas. I have started by loosely basing the Hunter Noble on the Bloodhound fom MotW (like Prey for is Mark ability, Pacekeeping and Determination for example) but of course, other abilities as well (like noble recognition, slave companions, fetish related abilities, tattoos and ceremonial powers invested by the Hunter Cult and th Oba herself) and the Judaga Archer on the Deepwood sniper from the same source. I would make the HuN a full-fledged 10-level PrC while the JuW and JuA 5-level ones. The Judaga Warrior would be a great ambusher using guerilla tactics (using the trees for better concealment, maybe a head-slicing attack, etc.). I unfortunately don't have my work with me at the moment, but will show you what I got (unfinished) probably on Monday. Until then lads... PB
#46 slingbld Jan 14, 2005 22:36:05	"My love for you is like a truck, BERSERKER!!!!!!!!!!!" Hrmmm, Kevin Smith fan????? :P
#47 jon_oracle_of_athas Jan 15, 2005 4:34:28	King's Templar doesn't tell the PLAYER anything. That could be a templar of any sorcerer-king. Black Cassock is nice.
#48 elonarc Jan 15, 2005 6:16:07	King's Templar doesn't tell the PLAYER anything. Menno.
#49 jon_oracle_of_athas Jan 15, 2005 7:00:25	The Elemental Master's "Power Element" ability looks too powerful in retrospect. That's what I get from designing at night... Should probably be changed to +1 additional damage per die instead of flat out 5 dice increase.
#50 jon_oracle_of_athas Jan 15, 2005 7:18:28	Hmm. Seems like the Eagle Knight table by mistake was put in the Arrow Knight PrC. Night designs again...
#51 zombiegleemax Jan 16, 2005 12:31:50	Templar prestige classes: Any name suggestions for Kalak's templars? Perhaps "Eyes of Kalak" or "Eyes of the Golden Tower"? Kalak kept order by spying psionically on his subjects, IIRC
#52 zombiegleemax Jan 16, 2005 15:26:01	An idea for the pre-prism pentad balican templars could be like "Balican Representatives" or something relating to elected officials as all templars were nominally elected representatives of the people. Like someone else mentioned, their special powers could focus on wrangling the political system and tricking other people (they were famous for their debate abilities, tricking people into admitting they had committed a crime, etc), coercing people or whatever.
#53 Nefal Jan 23, 2005 18:15:07	I've read in the Wanderer's Journal that the most favourite templars of Kalak had steel swords... why not "Steel Sword(s)"? or something like this... "Steel Phalanx", "Steel Knight", "Steel diduladudum"... or maybe a roman title as (I don't know in english) légat, centurion, tribun, licteur, etc.
#54 elonarc Jan 24, 2005 1:22:50	I second that. Sounds like great ideas for Mr Kalak's templars.
#55 Nefal Jan 24, 2005 17:42:06	Ok, I've found the right translation... so my proposals: Steel Legate Steel Tribune Steel Centurion Steel Lictor (my favourite...) What do you think about?
#56 zombiegleemax Jan 24, 2005 21:01:16	Hey Jon, after seeing the great work you did with they Soulknife class, I would like to humbly request that you make condensed versions of the following 2 classes- Pyrokineticist- Condensed to 5 levels, focused on keeping the Weapon Aflame ability. War Mind - Condensed to 5 levels, focused on keeping the Sweeping Strike ability I'd really appreciate it!!
#57 the_peacebringer Jan 25, 2005 9:20:57	Hi Jon. Do you have ideas on what Gulg's templars will look like?
#58 zombiegleemax Jan 25, 2005 13:27:03	The Elite Sniper and Master Scout are exquisite. Any plans for more fighter/gladiator oriented PrCs?
#59 elonarc Jan 25, 2005 13:30:47	Hi Jon. Do you have ideas on what Gulg's templars will look like? You know that there is the "Oba's Servant" prestige class in Jon's document, do you?
#60 Dragonhelm Jan 25, 2005 13:55:16	I just took a brief look and noticed the Eagle and Jaguar Knights. These were previously in Maztica, and in other Aztec-based games. How do they fit into Dark Sun?
#61 zombiegleemax Jan 25, 2005 14:08:30	They fit, (I think), because Draj is in many respects similar to Maztica, tight down to names (Like Tektuctitlay)
#62 jon_oracle_of_athas Jan 25, 2005 16:13:24	The Elite Sniper and Master Scout are exquisite. Any plans for more fighter/gladiator oriented PrCs? Jazst among others.
#63 zombiegleemax Jan 25, 2005 21:52:25	Jazst among others. Must be missing something... I cannot find that one. I did enjoy the Arena Champion and the Jaguar Knight; needless to say, players love the Dune Trader and Shadow PrCs.
#64 brun01 Jan 26, 2005 6:04:20	Hey, Jon, where are the psionic PrC? January is almost over... :P
#65 zombiegleemax Jan 26, 2005 6:52:09	Ahhh, the Jaszt. I've used several classes from fan sites, and liked most of them.
#66 the_peacebringer Jan 26, 2005 7:18:17	You know that there is the "Oba's Servant" prestige class in Jon's document, do you? Sorry, no I hadn't noticed... Well, I went and seen it... Nice job, Jon.
#67 the_peacebringer Jan 26, 2005 10:40:15	Er, Jon, I was perusing your PrC file and I came upon what I think is a mistake. Your Arrow Knight's class features' table is the same as your Eagle Knight's, and it probably shouldn't be. I would of checked if you were informed about it but the search option is out. So if you already know about this, forget this post. PB
#68 jon_oracle_of_athas Jan 26, 2005 14:01:11	If you check previous posts in this thread, you'll see I discovered the table error myself.
#69 jon_oracle_of_athas Jan 26, 2005 14:06:16	Hey, Jon, where are the psionic PrC? The time-devouring gray-touched mekillot got them. I need to finish the templar classes first.
#70 brun01 Jan 26, 2005 14:42:35	The time-devouring gray-touched mekillot got them. Yeah, i need to spray my house with anti-time-devouring gray-touched mekillot as well...
#71 the_peacebringer Jan 27, 2005 12:04:37	If you check previous posts in this thread, you'll see I discovered the table error myself. Well I'm sorry, Jon, but I didn't have the time to reread the whole thread... sheesh. Only trying to "quick-help" you.
#72 zombiegleemax Jan 27, 2005 12:45:57	Ahhh, the Jaszt. I've used several classes from fan sites, and liked most of them. The Jaszt isn't from a fan site originally. It was published in the Complete Gladiator's Handbook, which I am fortunate enough to own :D I've heard though that is book was kind of rare though.