Mes amis en France. Je me rappelle nos conversations au sujet de Zeif et d'Ekbir. Je ne vous ai pas vu récemment. Veuillez me dire que vous allez bien. Vos contributions à Greyhawk ont été appréciées. Juste parce que Living Greyhawk a assigné le Baklunish vers la France ne signifie pas que vous êtes limités au Baklunish. Le Flanaess est à vous. Les différences entre nos deux pays ne devraient pas diviser Greyhawkers. Nous devrions être des amis. J'espère lire vos messages bientôt. J'ai joint des “Wizards” et Canonfire websites. Veuillez pardonner mon français. Ce n'est pas bon.
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One of the reasons is that, at the beginning of LG, all french-speaking Greyhawk fans wanted to be in the same region i.e. Quebec, France, french-speaking Belgium and Switzerland in one region. Then, when we saw it would not be the case, we asked to get a region close to the region of Quebec which was Tusmit. We thought at that time, that having a common language would help us to work in common (unfortunately most of the
first players from Quebec were english-speaking !). I think that this decision was a good think for LG in Europe because we have
two metaregions now (2nd and 5th) !
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Ekbir seems to be one of the more active regions in Europe though: http://www.ekbir.org/
S.H, Naerie webslave
And, even if it was the case ( hopefully it is not), games remains are of freedom and liberty, above politics and religious considerations. Just have a look at the last Olympics games, for me there was more humanity and fraternity here than on any politic speech.
So, ok, it was just games. But at least, peace existed in Athens for 2 weeks. I don't know how you deal with tolerance/racism problem in Greyhawk, but it's sometimes very interesting to study players reactions. And to confront them with problems they are not use to be in real life. Involving other players, members of family, races, nations, religions, etc... It sometimes helps them to realize how our world is hard and complicated to deal with.
Liberté,
Back to the topic at hand: I think it is inevitable that there would be racism of some sort. IOC some players (not me) refer to Baklunish characters as "Bakkies." You figure out what that might mean on our world. They also use the other Earthly derogatory names for them as well. It's not nice and it ticks me off.
BTW, I don't support Dubya. I'm a firm believer that the Prez be smarter than me, and I refuse to believe that idiot has me beat in the IQ department. JMHO!
that dealt with Living Greyhawk giving Baklunish west to french speaking nations. Remember that regions were assigned long before anybody decided to rename French fries or crush pictures of Jacques Chirac with a hummer...BTW, I don't support Dubya. I'm a firm believer that the Prez be smarter than me, and I refuse to believe that idiot has me beat in the IQ department. JMHO!
Thank you for that insightful and completely irrelevant commentary.
Are you "the" Nightscreed, who wrote something about the grey in greyhawk?
Liberté,
if yall want to listen to this babbling idiot, go right ahead
Canonfire is an elitist clique masquerading as a Greyhawk discussion forum. Its owner is a self-promoter who leverages his longstanding friendship with Erik Mona to get into the Dungeon repeatedly when his prose and imagination is best described as workmanlike. He is supported by an inner-circle of "semi-pros," who see themselves as just that. Then there are the hangers on, hoping to go "semi-pro." And finally, the rank and file who have neither the long aquaintance nor the vantage point from which to view the proceedings with clarity. Once Greyhawk is dead, unless Canonfire is made meaninful in the meanwhile, these guys are going to be clueless with nothing to trade on. Greytalk, Canonfire's predecessor, did not revive Greyhawk; AOL did. My first thread on Canonfire was deleted, although identical to this thread; Mr. Owner doesn't like to share, particularly if you don't fawn and worse if you're on to the game. I'll see if sweet reason may yet prevail, but Canonfire may be a lost cause.
Call 'em like you see 'em, but you deffinately got that all wrong.
There is deffinately such a thing as a love and/or passion for a nuance of one's real life that has absorbed many hours, days, weeks, and months of that life. (Greyhawk)
Sometimes, getting involved is just that. Contributing to the community.
People contribute in their own unique way, and yet others hinder the progress of those contributions.
If you want to be a realist, one voice can not change the path of the almighty machine (or corporate say), and usually the voice of many won't either, but as long as their is a sense of community and unity, there is always a home for your passion.
I rarely attend GreyChats. and am not a member of the GreyTalk list, nor Greyhawk-L, but that is what Greyhawk is to me.
With the exception of a few, I enjoy the online company of the internet's Greyhawk community and enjoy being involved in it.
EDIT: And I might add, my enjoyment (and hard work) has thus far had abosultely nothing to do with being a "semi-pro," but more to do with getting invloved and helping bring Greyhawk to its fans.
I'm sure that is not too hard for most people to understand, as if others had the spare time that I enjoy, they too would do similiar.
Once Living Greyhawk lapses in a few years, the Dungeon will have no excuse to keep slipping in Greyhawk material.
For your education, Living Greyhawk will not lapse in a few years. While it was started out with triads planning a 5-year-plan, that was soon ditched. Recently, some triads were expressing worry about what would happen after LG's 5th-year finished, "Do we keep planning new adventures and plots?" They have been told by RPGA administration and the Circle that the RPGA has no intention to stop Living Greyhawk after the 5th-year is done. LG will keep going.
Slightly related, LG is not losing popularity any. It is growing year after year.
And finally, the rank and file who have neither the long aquaintance nor the vantage point from which to view the proceedings with clarity.
That, or the rank and file are not burdened with baggage developed over many years clouding perspective for which they need therapy to get over?
;)
Regards,
Eric Anondson
Slightly related, LG is not losing popularity any. It is growing year after year.
Yep. Add to the fact that some regions (= smaller european) regions are only starting to pick up the speed and building up the popularity. Once they all become active it will really boost the number of players*.
Maybe things have slowed down when 10th year of the campaign approaches :D
On a side note. I really wonder some peoples attitude against LG here. Do realise that this is the thing that currently gets people into Greyhawk. Some say Triads take liberties with canon. Well don't people in Canonfire do it as well and why don't you try to get yourself into positions of 'canon police' and advice triads? Worst thing they could do is say 'no' and I doubt many would actually refuse the offer.
We all are doing a voluntary work for the benefit of all.
*Expect Italy=Sea Barons which does not seem to do anything despite the fact they have a triad and sizable player base
S.H, Naerie webslave, module author and active player in LG
Some say Triads take liberties with canon. Well don't people in Canonfire do it as well
The difference, I think, is that Canonfire doesn't parade itself as semi-official. I think that is what reflects negatively on the Living Campaign.
This message is directed toward French speaking Greyhawkers in France and is thus in French
making excuses for breaking the rules still doesn't make it right.
the WotC policy is to post in English only so there is no confusion by the Mods. some do not speak a foreign language so you make it difficult for them to understand.
The difference, I think, is that Canonfire doesn't parade itself as semi-official. I think that is what reflects negatively on the Living Campaign.
But the answer here would naturally be for Canonfire people to get involved in Living Greyhawk and write modules/belong to triads if they would want to influence 'Greyhawk's semi-official future'. Aside from early LGJ publications, LG has never (IMO) put out anything that could be thought as 'official material' so I think this kind of reaction is a bit overwhelming.
And most importantly (I know it's been said many times before), all published material is just a guideline. If you don't like it, then don't use it in your own campaign. Examples below from LG.
Don't like Tehn was decimated even more? Never happened. The isles*? Stayed beneath the waves. Ahlissa is returning as a poweful political/economical/military power after several years of rebuilding? Bah, i'll just have Nyrond overrun it in a week.
S.H, Naerie webslave
*And they did appear only very briefly and sank back....
I agree with you, yet disagree on some aspects. Regardless, I welcome you here.
As you can see, the Greyhawk community is as diverse as ever, with varying opinions and shades of grey. Conflict, comraderie, and canon.
I just pretty much try and keep my head low and enjoy the show. Help where I can, praise what I feel worthy, and bite my tongue when neccessary.
Glad to have you back in the community, just as much as I am glad canonfire is a creative outlet, and glad that the LG drawing in more players to Greyhawk.
Halber
Makoma: I think your french is far better than my english... I also hope that politics considerations of US & France are limited to those who take those decisions, and not extended to all the citizen of a country. It's not a secret that half the american people don't really feel behind W.
I answered:
Valkaun: BTW, I don't support Dubya. I'm a firm believer that the Prez be smarter than me, and I refuse to believe that idiot has me beat in the IQ department. JMHO!
Simpi weighed in:
Simpi: All nice and that but what does Dubya have to do with original message that dealt with Living Greyhawk giving Baklunish west to french speaking nations. Remember that regions were assigned long before anybody decided to rename French fries or crush pictures of Jacques Chirac with a hummer...
As you can see Simpi, Makoma brought up the subject of our Commander in Thief. Makoma also broght up an interesting point regarding racism in the game, which I also addressed. And naturally chatdemon, that font of positive energy and wit had to jump in too.
chatdemon: Thank you for that insightful and completely irrelevant commentary.
I guess I could return the favor and thank you for your obtuse and unnecessary opinion about my opinion. Continue Trolling, CD, you might catch a live one.
I guess I could return the favor and thank you for your obtuse and unnecessary opinion about my opinion. Continue Trolling, CD, you might catch a live one.
The difference here is, your "opinion" is a blatant violation of the TOS of this forum when you post it here. Don't argue with me on this, I'm right, you're wrong, you can't win.
if yall want to listen to this babbling idiot, go right ahead
"Luke, I am your father. Join with me and we will rule the galaxy."
NightScreed :D
The difference here is, your "opinion" is a blatant violation of the TOS of this forum when you post it here. Don't argue with me on this, I'm right, you're wrong, you can't win.
What are you, 12?
If I violated the TOS, how about Makoma (sorry to drag you in Makoma)? I think you simply disagree :thumbsdow with my opinion and that was the only way you could respond without violating the sacred TOS. 
Lighten up, Chatdemon, this is a messageboard, not your dictatorship. 
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