1. I want to thank Margaret, Sean, Renae, Jamie, Chris, and all the other people that work with Sovereign Press for all their hard work, whether it is the release of gaming products or novels. All your work helps me escape from the drudgery of the real world (if only for a little while), and for that you all have my profound thanks.
2. Whine whine whine. So many people whine whine whine and then whine some more about their gripes with the delay of this product, or the delay of that product, and frankly, it sickens me. Chances are I've done my share of whining as well, and this post is to let you all know how much I (and others) appreciate the work you've done and are continuing to do ... despite the whining.
Many Thanks,
-Dragonlance fanboy-
Well said. But, I don't think thats going to get you an advance copy of SoS though. ;)
Damn, you figured out my third reason. ;)
Well said. But, I don't think thats going to get you an advance copy of SoS though. ;)
:heehee
-Dragonlance Fanboy(that still wants SP to stick to their deadlines)-
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I'm very surprised I liked the glossy paper. I just think it really looks nice and makes it look professional. I'm also glad everything comes in color. This may seem like a small thing, but I hate just black and white books for some reason.
The books are really well put together and it really does look like the designers spent a lot of time trying to establish a "canon". Canon is a tricky thing and I personally believe that the designers have done the best that can be done. It looks like for the most part they actually "did their homework".
I said before in the Dwarf Savant thread I had wrote, most of my reply's are usually negative because I have questions or wonder why certain things were done. I rarely write short reply's like "good job" because I dont see much of a point. But.. I guess it does reinforce the designers, so I'm glad some people do. I just usually write in when I have a question or rant about something heh.
Even with all this though, I always feel I have the right to complain about something if I don't like the way something goes. The example would be the delays that happen on most products. In several threads I voice my displeasure with the delays, but I also realize that Sovereign Press has the right to ignore them too if they want heh. Thats about my only main problem with the products. If it happened once, no biggie. Just I'm afraid this will be a "constant" thing, so I just hope they address it and either get the products out time.. or just add like 2-3 months onto the original date they project it. Heck no one complains if it comes early. I dunno, I see this as a relatively easy process, but I don't work there so who knows the different factors that can come up.
As a whole, I really believe Sovereign Press deserve kudos on a job well done. They help continue Dragonlance and bring fun to players who would otherwise have a watered-down version of Dragonlance or nothing. So good job and keep up the work.
Under all the nasty things I might ever say, know that I still very much appreciate the work you guys do, and continue to do. Now back to work! :D
I'm greatly impressed that Sovereign can put up with us sometimes, but they keep jumping into the gauntlet every day, answering our questions, responding to our critism, and taking the occational personal attack in stride. My admiration runs deep. Of course I can't help but say I'm sad when delays happen, because I was excited about the product. But as a Gamer (video and table top) and a comicbook geek I've learned a long time ago to live with delays. They happen, oh well.
I just want to say thanks to everyone at Sovereign... I'd have to get out books and looking at title pages to get everyone, so I'll just say everyone, EVERYONE! I also need to pass on the thanks of my group, because they're all having a blast playing in the post War of Souls Age of Mortals, and though none of them hang around the boards... I'm sure they'll pass on their kudos at in person RockCon.
But enough of this love fest... get back to work :D
I think that Soverign Press can still be apprecited and yet it can also be critized. There is nothing wrong with that, in fact, I think it can be healthy if done in a postive manner.
[i]f done in a pos[i]tive manner. That's the key phrase here. Baseless accusations and conspiracy theories do nothing to improve the situation, they just exacerbate it. Now constructive criticism ... that's something I'd like to see more of.
The sad thing is that most people dont like to be critized at all.
I hate to say this but noone has to appreciate what SP is doing(By making Dragonlance products.) because SP is getting paid for selling Dragonlance products. If anything we should see more consumer appreciation. We are the ones spending the hard earned money on their products.
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i.e. "We love your products, even though you're late!"
There often seems to be a "but" involved.
So let me tell you why I appreciate Sovereign Press.
Sovereign Press is made up of a group of people who love their craft. Yes, they are trying to make money as any company would, but that is so that they can do that which they love.
You can’t say that about all RPG companies.
When Sovereign Press approached Dragonlance, they did so out of love. They know what the very heart and feel of Dragonlance is. They hire freelancers who capture that spirit as well.
For the first time in a generation, we are seeing sourcebooks on the very foundations of Dragonlance, such as Towers of High Sorcery and the upcoming Holy Orders of the Stars. The quality is improving dramatically as well. As much as I liked Age of Mortals, I have to say that War of the Lance blows it away. I consider it to be the best Dragonlance gaming product ever. Considering too that they’re doing color products when most 3rd party companies don’t, I think that speaks highly of them.
My friends, Sovereign Press is keeping the dream alive. There have been many a time when we thought Dragonlance gaming was dead. There was a time when it looked like DL gaming would only be kept alive through the efforts of DL fandom.
Yet your voices were heard, and Sovereign Press has proven that there is a market for Dragonlance gaming. They’re doing justice by Dragonlance, and making for a very exciting campaign world, one that is fresh and new, and one that continues to grow.
Here’s to Margaret, Jamie, Renae, and Sean, my own personal heroes and champions in their own right. Here’s to another generation of Dragonlance gaming.
Long Live the Lance!
Where is the appreciation for the ones that are keeping SP in business ? Us(The consumers).
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"Sovereign Press Appreciation Thread".
The title does not say:
"Sovereign Press Whining Thread"; nor does it say
"Sovereign Press Fan Appreciation Thread"; nor does it say
"Sovereign Press Conspiracy Theory Thread".
What I find interesting is that in an appreciation thread, there's still a considerable amount of negativity.
Yes, I find that highly interesting as well. It's also quite sad. Let's leave the *****ing and whining in all those other threads.
That is all well and good, but again where is the appreciation for the consumer base that is buying said products ? They(SP) can be fans all they want but I doubt if they would be doing this(Towers of High Sorcery, Holy Order of Stars,etc.) if some kind of money were not involved(It all boils down to the dollar.).
Where is the appreciation for the ones that are keeping SP in business ? Us(The consumers).
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I'd have to say the appreciation comes from and thru the high quality of products that SP is delivering to the DL fan/consumer base.
I'd have to say the appreciation comes from and thru the high quality of products that SP is delivering to the DL fan/consumer base.
That, and the fact that Sov. Press actually listens to the constructive criticism and makes changes appropriately (e.g. WoHS and War Mage PrCs, smaller borders, etc.)
I'd have to say the appreciation comes from and thru the high quality of products that SP is delivering to the DL fan/consumer base.
Delivered late on a consistent basis.
Also, if we(as consumers) supposedly get appreciation from them delivering products(no matter how late they may be; which btw, spoils a good campaign.) then they should get appreciation from our hard earned dollars being spent. My point is I see some fans breaking their necks to sweat these people, but in the same breath I do not see SP doing anything spectacular for the consumer other than what they must do anyway(Make and sell quality products) to make sure their business does not fold.
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Delivered late on a consistent basis.
Also, if we(as consumers) supposedly get appreciation from them delivering products(no matter how late they may be; which btw, spoils a good campaign.)
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I will admit that products shipping late is annoying, but I'd rather have them late than not at all.
LORDOFILLSIONS, Diplomacy is nice, let us try it together?
LoL, Truth is even nicer; I feel as if SP(and their freelance writers/buddies) wants everyone to feel sorry for them when they mess up(Delays and such.).
What I am saying is "why should I" ? Why not just call a spade a spade ? I don't see SP doing anything for the consumer that even remotely represents appreciation. When I see them going that extra mile for us(and no making a good book is not going the extra mile; they have to make good books anyway if they want us to keep buying them. Especially with the price ranges.) then I will have a reason to appreciate them.
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Those who do not learn from their history are doomed to repeat it.
LoL, Truth is even nicer; I feel as if SP(and their freelance writers/buddies) wants everyone to feel sorry for them when they mess up(Delays and such.).
What I am saying is "why should I" ? Why not just call a spade a spade ? I don't see SP doing anything for the consumer that even remotely represents appreciation. When I see them going that extra mile for us(and no making a good book is not going the extra mile; they have to make good books anyway if they want us to keep buying them. Especially with the price ranges.) then I will have a reason to appreciate them.
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Valid point.
Are any of you familiar with Image comics? Back in the 90s they were the bomb but everything they came out with was late. Hell, a series that they were supposed to be putting out never even was released. Any how, you dont hear much if anything about them now do you?
Those who do not learn from their history are doomed to repeat it.
Well spoken, as long as a few fans pat them on the back when they do stuff like this they are going to continue doing it. Show them that delays on everything is not acceptable.
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Well spoken, as long as a few fans pat them on the back when they do stuff like this they are going to continue doing it. Show them that delays on everything is not acceptable.
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If you truly don't like the delays, then stop buying SP's products. As you said, it all boils down to the dollar, so hit SP where it hurts the most, stop buying their products. Better yet, show SP that you can do better and buy out their license of Dragonlance from WotC and create your own Dragonlance product line that always puts products out on time or even early. Make your DL product line better then SP's, and you will have won.
LOI, allow me to play Mammon's Advocate, if Sov Press, no matter how late they are in releasing the DL products that we all love and appreciate, goes out of business, who will release DL products?
That is irrelevant; what keeps them from going out of business is our money. How long do you think we would be getting Dragonlance products if we said we wanted them for free ?
Also, WoTC owns DL so they could easily have someone else produce these products somewhere down the road. I like SP's work but do they like our money, which provides them with work, enough to show us(the consumer) appreciation ? Again, where is our appreciation ?
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LoL, Truth is even nicer; I feel as if SP(and their freelance writers/buddies) wants everyone to feel sorry for them when they mess up(Delays and such.).
Sovereign Press has done extremely well keeping the fan base informed when there have been delays, and have owned up to when they have made mistakes. I don't ever recall anyone asking that people feel sorry for them.
Are any of you familiar with Image comics? Back in the 90s they were the bomb but everything they came out with was late. Hell, a series that they were supposed to be putting out never even was released. Any how, you dont hear much if anything about them now do you?
Those who do not learn from their history are doomed to repeat it.
Actually, Image is still quite a force within the comics industry.
I understand that people don't like the delays. Nobody does, not even Sovereign Press. I think the point has been made (repeatedly by some) that they are dissatisfied with that one aspect of Sovereign Press.
So let's drop that one point for now and focus on other elements of Sovereign Press' Dragonlance line.
What do you guys think of Sovereign Press' Dragonlance products? Good quality, bad? What do you like and dislike?
RIING RIING
Hello?
This is the dead horse?
Stop beating you?
Okay.
It really does seem like the designers at Sovereign Press "did their homework" as I said earlier. It annoys the crap out of me to see inconsistances, and I have barely seen any in the new books, all the while they are clearing up old ones. To me this is a very big blessing. It really does seem like they have read most of the books and try to keep as close as possible to Weis and Hickman's vision. If you look at other settings, the writers sometimes contradict themselves in the same book. This bothers me a lot.
The professional way the books look is also a plus. I really do feel like I'm getting my money's worth when I purchase a Sovereign Press book, so that always helps. I never feel like I am getting cheated. It is very annoying to buy a new book you've been looking foward to, and then get it and wonder why you even wanted it. The books have also been all things that we as fans have asked for. This I find as a huge plus also. I dont want several books about things I dont care about. I think Sovereign Press does a good job of looking at fans interests and basing their future products upon this. The only other people who take such an interest in their consumers are the D&D Miniatures people. I like feeling like I am noticed. Maybe its selfish, greedy, etc.. but I like the feeling that if enough people talk, the company will listen. I like the fact that some people from Sovereign Press show up on the boards and actually participate in discussion and let us know about future things.
I dunno, I think LordofIllusions goes a little too far when talking about things. I'm a very big advocate about being able to voice my opinion if I don't like something. But there also comes a point where they can choose to not listen also, and thats their right. I really can't believe anyone would really think Sovereign Press would go under. I really don't foresee that happening, no matter this small problem. There are people who are dedicated to Dragonlance, all the while also bringing in newer people because of the 5th age being cleaned up. I personally don't see how anyone would think they would go under. They are putting out very high quality products, unlike say Ravenloft and such. As long as they keep putting out the same quality products, I'm dead sure they will keep getting support and have lots of people buying from them, lateness or no.
As people have said, stating your opinion is fine. But if you get to the point where its bothered you so much you just can't stand it and you want to post a lot of messages about it... teach Sovereign Press a lesson and stop buying their products. And then don't frequent the boards so that it is one less person and it seems like a ghost town around here. ;) I think this is the best option for you. Repeating yourself every other post isn't going to make anything magically happen.
I dunno, personally I think they do a bang up job. Everyone has criticisms, but come on... these are high quality products coming from people who actually really do care about us. Now thats special. Also, on a sidenote, months ago people were trying to figure out what exactly was going on with Taladas and how events on Ansalon were affecting that continent, and now... we know there will be a sourcebook about it. You also have designers who spend time out of their day to sit around and discuss philosophies and rules with us players and DMs. I think that is a wonderful thing. If I have a question about something, not only do I get feedback from other players and DMs, I get insight into why the designers did something from their own mouth. This is one of the biggest plus's about the Dragonlance I personally believe.
I think that the quality of paper that these last few products have come out on has been wonderful. I think I read somewhere that the TOHS is the last book that will have that type of paper in it. Is this true?
I'm a big fan of Dark Sun and they have ziltch coming out in the way of printed material. At least DL is getting (and very impressive) support.
They care what we have to say.
My friends are amazed when I'm talking about Dragonlance then say off handed "So I asked about that thing with that one prestiege class and the writer got back to me..." because it IS impressive.
I've never delt with any game company, video, table top, or whatever where the people in charge (not some PR rep the VP of the Company) took the time to talk to the fans. I am very impressed.
That is all well and good, but again where is the appreciation for the consumer base that is buying said products ? They(SP) can be fans all they want but I doubt if they would be doing this(Towers of High Sorcery, Holy Order of Stars,etc.) if some kind of money were not involved(It all boils down to the dollar.).
Where is the appreciation for the ones that are keeping SP in business ? Us(The consumers).
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Please, for the love of all Saltines, clam up. Take off the cape and stout tooting your own horn, Capt. Consumer.
Listen, the products aren't late because they were lazy. Products were late because they were a small company. A small company has small resources to bring to bear if complications arise.
There were problems. People in the company had, as far as I can examine, personal, health and professional problems. People quit the company to do other things, people joined the company and adjustments had to be made.
Sovereign Press wanted an ambitious product schedule because the more products you release, the more you stay in the public eye. The more you stay in the public eye, the more momentum you have for marketing. Delays hurt sales for that very reason. SP doesn't deliberately cause products to be late, because they lose money when they are. When products are late it is because it is unavoidable. So if you ask yourself what you can do to help the products come out on time, I think the obvious thing is to provide encouragement and support to ensure that Sovereign Press knows it has a market out there for its next product. Complaining about something that Sovereign Press obviously had no control over doesn't make any sense.
As for the appreciation part of the thread, SP got off to a rocky start, but I like where things are right now. The first product was bad (DLCS), the second and third products were mediocre (AoM and DM's Screen) but the Bestiary of Krynn was a good product. Towers of High Sorcery was a good product. War of the Lance looks also to be a good product by what I've seen of it.
So they've hit their stride. So I'm glad to wish them continued success. I'm not friends with anyone in the company. I've never met them, don't particularly want to meet them. They don't owe me squat. I don't owe them squat. If they put out a good product I'll buy it. If they put out a bad product, I'll complain about buying a lemon.
If you as a fan can't wait a few months for a product that is having some problems getting into stores there is a few things you can do to pass the time. It is fall which means it is time for football for a short while before winter sets in. Girls (and guys) are looking for someone to hook up with before the snow starts flying as well. Chess is an excellent game to sharpen the mind. There are pastimes and games by the hundreds to pass the time. D&D is just a game, it isn't a lifestyle. I'm probably more obsessed with D&D myself than is healthy, and even I have other (and better) things to do.
FACT: SP makes books because they can then turn around and sell these books for about 30 - 45 bucks(Somewhere within that range.).
OPINION: SP may keep having delays because they think this will build up a demand for said product.
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LoL! It is about the money, the dozens of delays is a money making tactic as well(I believe.). Anyone that thinks they are making these books because they like you is not dealing with reality.
That's right, LoI. Also, the black helicopters are watching all of us, and we should be wearing our tinfoil hats while guarding against the serpent people who are controlling the Fortune 500 companies from their hidden base in Ultima Thule.
Cheers,
Cam
LoL! It is about the money, the dozens of delays is a money making tactic as well(I believe.).
LOI, may I suggest that perhaps you don't know what you're talking about in this case? I don't say this to be combative, but to simply observe that your theory has no basis in reality at all.
With the possible exception of Margaret, I'm guessing that every one of the people at SP could be making a lot more money working somewhere else. Nobody aside from WOTC (and not even them, probably) gets rich in the gaming business. People do it because they love it.
How does NOT selling stuff make them money? How does NOT having material on game store shelves increase demand? These are not Disney DVDs here, with fifty million people waiting to buy it the day it comes out. These are gaming supplements - a niche market at best. Delays simply risk the gamer moving on to some other game, or some other hobby, they don't create hype.
- Clark
That's right, LoI. Also, the black helicopters are watching all of us, and we should be wearing our tinfoil hats while guarding against the serpent people who are controlling the Fortune 500 companies from their hidden base in Ultima Thule.
Cheers,
Cam
And I'll be happy to see those nice young men in their clean white coats...
With the possible exception of Margaret, I'm guessing that every one of the people at SP could be making a lot more money working somewhere else. Nobody aside from WOTC (and not even them, probably) gets rich in the gaming business. People do it because they love it.
LoL.
SP is a business; people go into business to make MONEY. Their love for DL has a price tag on it; I should know I spent over 80 bucks on just the DLCS and AoM sourcebook alone.
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but i have to wonder. what are you getting out of this? do you think constant whining will make it come out faster? if indeed SP is holding back because they want to pump up sales, why not buck the trend and not buy into their hype?
if i didnt know better, i'd think someone had just cast ressurection on rohan tolstrup...
SP is a business; people go into business to make MONEY.
Did you read a single word I wrote?
Do they want to make money? Sure. Because if they don't, they can't keep doing what they're doing. Otherwise, we might as well go back to the early Nexus/DLA3e days. While those times were good times for me, Sovereign Press can do better than that because they have the resources to put out Dragonlance in a nice, printed form.
However, I would say that Sovereign Press seeks to make money so that they can produce what they love to produce. It's something you can see in their eyes, if you ever meet them.
Making money and putting out a product you love are not mutually exclusive. As Clark mentioned, you don't go into game design because you want to get rich quick. The pay is not that great, and quite honestly, there are lots of jobs out there that pay more.
Now, if you don't believe that, it's your prerogative. You are most certainly welcome to your opinion. Just make certain your opinion is an educated one, and not based solely on your biases.
However, I would say that Sovereign Press seeks to make money so that they can produce what they love to produce. It's something you can see in their eyes, if you ever meet them.
If Jamie puts out the web preview of the first chapter of Spectre of Sorrows in November to make up for the late release I would be satisfied. In my eyes this is what a company that wants to see others enjoy a game that he/she loves would do for the fans.
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If Jamie puts out the web preview of the first chapter of Spectre of Sorrows in November to make up for the late release I would be satisfied. In my eyes this is what a company that wants to see others enjoy a game that he/she loves would do for the fans.
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Sounds fair to me. Let's wait until November, then, and see how things look.
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They always answer any questions we have. If it was just about the money do you think they would release any previews? Or assisst anyone with help with the books on such a personal level as Cam and Trampas, and Jamie do? I don't think so. What about the fact that Maragret responds to every email she gets? If its about money then she must really be trying to milk us. Does R. A. Salavatore do that? I don't think so but I might be wrong.
Delays happen its a factor of life, between video game delays and delays in gaming it doesn't bother me too much. Personally I would rather have a delay then a new book out every month thats poor quality. The fact that its a ploy to get more money is just laughable in my opinion. I have never seen anyone work so hard to get stuff out on time even EARLY. I remember Jamie telling me a story of how last year at Gen Con he had to take the SP van and drive to Chicago in order to save the advaced copies of I wanna say AoM, might have been the DLCS, from Customs. No one said they had to have a prerelease but he made it possible.
This year at Gen Con they could find the advanced copies of Amber and Ashes, Maragret was heart broke that they couldn't find it, and so relieved when they did. She cared so much about the fact that people would be able to read that book i was shocked. I have rarely seen anyone so dedicated to thier profession and making sure thier products are top notch. The only other place I have seen this is my college Pennsylvania Culinary Arts Institute, where the teachers made sure all thier work was perfect and wouldn't settle for any less from thier students. I think the same a bout SP they won't settle for anything less than perfection and the same from thier freelancers. If they are going to delay a book a month to ensure a better product, then go for it I would expect nothing less from any company. Now if the put it off and its a horrible product(which I have never seen any from SP) then you can complain. But its your choice LoI or any other doubters of SP, either a crummy product or a little bit of a wait for an amazing adventure into an incredible world.
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But I do agree that Sovereign Press does a real good job. And think of it, if everyone only complains about the lateness, than if that were fixed, there shouldnt be any more complaining because that is literally the only complaint I've heard. So it'll be interesting if that gets fixed, people still complain, and come up with new reasons why they didnt like earlier producst or something and everyone is like... "Um you never said that before...".
I dunno, I'm happy enough with my Dragonlance books... especially since for awhile there I was almost sure there would never be any anymore =\. And for some reason I can't get into the Nexus, as in I just don't seem to like it. Nothing against any of the people there.. they do a good job and kept Dragonlance alive and actually have well written articles. I just don't think I'm a fan of fan generated articles or something. Which is kind of dumb because most printed books are still made by "fans".. but hey.. its my problem heh.
Age of Mortals comes to mind, a book that was more thorough than I imagined it could be and very much the cat's-meow of a 5th Age fanatic like myself. Not to say the DLCS was poop on a stick - it was better than Age of Mortals, surpassing all my expectations of what a DLCS could be. The classes and background information in there were my favorite parts; such clear and lucid explanations of all sorts of Krynnish thingies! Joy!
Picture old Rooksy, cozied up in his nest of Sov. Press products, sipping a soothing chamomile tea with his bloody hatchet and a banged-up keyboard nearby. Ah... life is good.
Let us not forget my underfed pitbull: Scrape.
Now, if only I could currently afford all the great DL gaming and novel material out there, I'd be even happier. But then, some sense of role-playing poverty makes things more interesting, eh?
"Your elf has been killed. Please remove the figure from the table."
"That's not a figure. It's a wad of old gum and a piece of something Scrape spit up."
"Rooks, old-boy, mind not coming to next week's game?"
So it'll be interesting if that gets fixed, people still complain, and come up with new reasons why they didnt like earlier products or something and everyone is like... "Um you never said that before...".
Oh people have complained about earlier products before.
However you are correct in assuming that the number of complaints have dropped considerably. I think everyone is happy with the quality of products that they are putting out now.There will still be little nitpicks of course. For example, I love the Towers of High Sorcery book. Best Dragonlance book ever, beating out the Bestiary for that coveted position. However, I would have liked to have seen the Tower of Wayreth mapped, even if I couldn't see the rest. If I couldn't see the Tower of Wayreth mapped, I would have liked a comprehensive list of rooms that could be found in any Tower of High Sorcery, rather than one or two for each Tower.
I think the problem for lateness has been solved as well, simply because Sovereign Press has a more reasonable release schedule. Their old schedule was far too ambitious. Now they will be releasing about 2 products a year, which is far more likely to happen.
The complaints about cost are going to continue though, just because SP is trying to put out full colour hardcovers with glossy paper. As a small company, they cannot do it as cheaply as Hasbro/WotC. Many people will not understand why that is.
I just don't think I'm a fan of fan generated articles or something. Which is kind of dumb because most printed books are still made by "fans".. but hey.. its my problem heh.
Published rule books have a lot more going for them than fan articles. They are prettier, have more editing and playtesting, and are instantly accepted by the Dragonlance community. Everyone now knows what a Winternorn is for example, so when you say "I have a Winternorn PC" everyone knows what you are talking about.
And for some reason I can't get into the Nexus, as in I just don't seem to like it. Nothing against any of the people there.. they do a good job and kept Dragonlance alive and actually have well written articles. I just don't think I'm a fan of fan generated articles or something. Which is kind of dumb because most printed books are still made by "fans".. but hey.. its my problem heh.
I can totally understand. There's many people who have a hard time looking at something that doesn't have that "official" stamp on it. It's typical of fandom in general.
We do our part, and if someone gets something out of it, great. We've also got a bunch of other features beyond rules, so there's something fun for everyone.
I dunno, fanwork just doesnt hit the spot with me too well. And its pretty funny because I don't even like using my own "fanwork". As in stuff I would make up. I dunno I'm weird about it.. I don't like changing things. An example.. I decided to not have the War Mage get metamagic feats because I thought it was just too much for the 5 level prestige class.. but i'm still not sure if i'll even stick by that.. because I just usually go with how things are written heh. There is stuff I don't allow. I pretty much have every book I want and I let my players pretty much choose whatever they want.. feats, prestige classes, etc.. so no need to really look around for even more stuff on the web.
I used to go there for news on Dragonlance. It was always really informative, but than I kind of realized Dragonlance.com has the same news most of the time. So I just started going there for news.
The two sites dont' share news any more, so you may check out the Nexus. We try to cover not only what Sov. Press and Margaret Weis are doing, but also try to cover WotC's stuff, as well as fan works and various Dragonlance happenings.
Actually, the old DL.com material is all on the Nexus now. Stop by some time.
um R.A. Salvatore has his own website with messageboards where he answers questions personally. Also he used to post on the Forgotten Realms board here before the novels boards were taken away. And now he messages over at Candlekeep once in awhile about his books. Also the guy is constantly working on a new novel, I mean constantly. And now he is a consultant on the new D&D video game coming out which is somewhat based on his writings. The guy does a lot for his fans, while also doing a lot of work... I dont know why you picked him but it was a bad choice.
Well as I said I might be wrong and as I am sorry. He was just the first author that came to mind, and I had never heard anything about him having lots of fan contact. So True sorry for making you upset and making a bad call. So we will move to a different writer who has no contact with his fans, nor does he listen to them at all...
A Mr. George Lucas, who appearantly still hasn't learned how bad an idea it was to have Greedo shooting first. Nor was he very bright with making Hayden in the new Jedi ending(which I think looks horrible) anyways this is DL thread not SW.
And SP rules, I don't really know what else the can do for thier customers like LoI wants. I don't know if he wants them to throw free stuff at us or what? If thats the case I don't really understand what they can do for free, short of maybe making DL dice or somthing, which would be cool. Or maybe pewter figures of the characters. Who knows though i do think the dice would be cool. Any who thanks Cam Trampas Sean and Sean Jamie Maragret Renee and everyone else at SP and ever WOTC for allowing them to make the DL products.
GCS
eh the only reason I cared really is because on the FR boards there used to be several people who would just bash him for being a bad author, when he is the one selling millions of books and not them. Thats one of the main big reasons novel talk is banned because people were criticizing the names he uses in his books, no less. I'm sure you didnt mean to just pick him out, I've just seen too many people do it. Also as I said, he does do a lot for his fans. Its no big deal.
Its cool man. I'm not a big fan of the fact he got to kill Chewie, but I gotta say it was creative. Also Vector Prime was a pretty good book, being the only one of his I have read I wouldn't say he is a bad author.
GCS
SP did not put information about the new classes and races in the books where they should have been then they have the nerve to make us pay for another product to get this info pisses me off to no end. SP could have easily put this info in a pdf and threw it up on the page for us to dl. But no, we have to pay literally for their screw up.
YOU'RE REALLY DOING A GOOD JOB. I LIKE YOUR BOOKS AND BEGIN TO EVEN LIKE AOM THANKS TO YOUR PRODUCTS!
(If I post this three more times, would you consider to send me a free copy of Towers of High Sorcery? - I am only a poor student and though I'd really like to have that book in my possession, but I can't afford the ~ 30 ⁈ it would cost me
)Really, I enjoyed the campaign setting and I liked the AoM book, and I am quite interested in more!
If the Key of Destiny is any indication of the quality we should expect to see in future books I will not be buying them. The ideas are great but the editing was so horrible it makes me wonder if they take any pride in what they are doing. I paid good money for the books and have been rather disappointed with them.
SP did not put information about the new classes and races in the books where they should have been then they have the nerve to make us pay for another product to get this info pisses me off to no end. SP could have easily put this info in a pdf and threw it up on the page for us to dl. But no, we have to pay literally for their screw up.
My my how harsh. I think that you will find the information on new classes and races right where they are supposed to be...within the campaign setting and supplements where they belong. As far as the DM Screen...which is what I think you are talking about....darn...you just weren't clear enough....Remember! Constructive Criticism Helps!!........the information that was put in there about the classes is there because of WotC's errors in judgement......wasn't SP who wanted to cut pages out...
If the Key of Destiny is any indication of the quality we should expect to see in future books I will not be buying them. The ideas are great but the editing was so horrible it makes me wonder if they take any pride in what they are doing. I paid good money for the books and have been rather disappointed with them.
SP did not put information about the new classes and races in the books where they should have been then they have the nerve to make us pay for another product to get this info pisses me off to no end. SP could have easily put this info in a pdf and threw it up on the page for us to dl. But no, we have to pay literally for their screw up.
We're always sorry to hear when a customer is dissatisfied with our products. I'm curious that you "have to pay" for our mistakes. We publish book-format products, which you may evaluate and purchase if you see fit. Sovereign Press is a company facing the challenges of small-press publishing under license from a huge corporation. We do our best, and are constantly working to improve. I hope that you'll consider each product on its own merits.
Thank you!
Jamie Chambers
Sovereign Press, Inc.
I read a review on the towers of high sorc. And I can totally understand the lack of maps in the books. Priting is damn expensive but you guys like I said before throw this extra stuff up on the web for us to dl. These little things may not seem like much but it shows you guys are going that extra distance ... If bandwidth being too is an issue then you could always throw it on a p2p network such a bit torrent .....
any chance those much desired maps will be published as errata?
It's only errata if it's considered a mistake by the designers not to have it in the book to begin with.
Cheers,
Cam