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Is Price of Courage the name of book 3 of the module? If so, I'd like to reserve judgement until I see what kinds of NPCs are in book 2. But oh, the NPCs I'd like to see...
Yes Price of Courage is book 3 of the Age of Mortals campaign. I started this thread so that we could just give SP a few ideas on what direction we would like to see the last module take.
Sometime during the 3 modules I would definitely like the PCs to visit the Citadel of Light. One of my NPCs hails from there and she is aiming for the Citadel Mystic PrC.
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Maybe they could meet the 1st krynnish dracolich called Cyan Bloodbane?
Would the dracolich still be located within Sargasanti(What used to be Silvanesti) ?
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Would the dracolich still be located within Sargasanti(What used to be Silvanesti) ?
Who says Cyan Bloodbane is a dracolich?
Cheers,
Cam
Who says Cyan Bloodbane is a dracolich?
Cheers,
Cam
Well hypothetically speaking, if he were......
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One would think that one would read more if one worked for a company?
I think that it was Tracy Hickman who said that he was in the DOVM.
One would think that one would read more if one worked for a company?
Did she actually say that ? If so that scenario would be quite interesting.
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Did she actually say that ? If so that scenario would be quite interesting.
Tracy is a guy.
And no, he didn't.
Cheers,
Cam
Tracy is a guy.
And no, he didn't.
Cheers,
Cam
My bad, I got Margaret and Tracy mixed up; for some reason everytime I hear the name Tracy I think female.
Also, why lie about the whole dracolich thing ? If that is what you want to happen let it happen but don't try to say it was an official ruling by "T".
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Also, why lie about the whole dracolich thing ? If that is what you want to happen let it happen but don't try to say it was an official ruling by "T".
Maybe he was simply mistaken.
Anyway:
I'd *ahem* like to see some political intrigue - a problem not immediately solvable through even careful application of force. In the current campaign I'm playing (loosely based on KoD) keep trying to figure out a way to play the three orders of Dark Knights against each other - an opportunity to do this would be great. Maybe I'm just reading too much George RR Martin lately though :D
Maybe he was simply mistaken.
Anyway:
I'd *ahem* like to see some political intrigue - a problem not immediately solvable through even careful application of force. In the current campaign I'm playing (loosely based on KoD) keep trying to figure out a way to play the three orders of Dark Knights against each other - an opportunity to do this would be great. Maybe I'm just reading too much George RR Martin lately though :D
Political intrigue ? In the middle of that free-for-all war Cam has you guys in(Sounds like Cam is bringing the noise in that campaign. You might not survive. :heehee ) ? You better forget the diplomacy checks and buy a better suit of armor. :heehee
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You better forget the diplomacy checks and buy a better suit of armor.
Could be - but a diplomat is pretty much exactly what I was going for in building the character. He's talked the party's way out of several fights that could have gotten very, very ugly. Even briefly considered going for the Master Ambassador PrC, but decided it doesn't suit an adventuring party that well.
Having a campaign that would support that option might be an interesting twist. Of course it's not easy to design that and _also_ support the "party of brave adventurers" paradigm...
Could be - but a diplomat is pretty much exactly what I was going for in building the character. He's talked the party's way out of several fights that could have gotten very, very ugly. Even briefly considered going for the Master Ambassador PrC, but decided it doesn't suit an adventuring party that well.
I was thinking the same thing about that PrC. That sounds like a pencil pusher not an adventurer.
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I was thinking the same thing about that PrC. That sounds like a pencil pusher not an adventurer.
Pretty much. I do think "pencil pushers" can make great roleplaying characters, but in a political game where outfoxing the Royal Whathisname and getting yourself appointed to the king's court instead of him is the goal, rather than slaughtering kobolds.
- Clark might need to try his hand at Amber or Pendragon one of these days.
Pretty much. I do think "pencil pushers" can make great roleplaying characters, but in a political game where outfoxing the Royal Whathisname and getting yourself appointed to the king's court instead of him is the goal, rather than slaughtering kobolds.
- Clark might need to try his hand at Amber or Pendragon one of these days.
Your right, it depends on what kind of campaign the DM is running. I tend to lean towards heavy role playing in all of my campaigns. I think it enhances the combat if your not always fighting; it makes the few fights that you get into memorable.
I like to have reasons for combat other than the players need to gain another level.
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It was in the appendix to the Hardcover DoVM, Cam.
Except that the Appendix was written by Matthew Martin, who calls it unofficial.
Could be - but a diplomat is pretty much exactly what I was going for in building the character. He's talked the party's way out of several fights that could have gotten very, very ugly. Even briefly considered going for the Master Ambassador PrC, but decided it doesn't suit an adventuring party that well.
Kiro's going to come into his own shortly, don't worry.
There's plenty of intrigue and politics in the future. But you need a war first to stir up the pot.
Cheers,
Cam
Except that the Appendix was written by Matthew Martin, who calls it unofficial.
It also never says Cyan Bloodbane is a dracolich. Matthew took that route in a writeup of the character for the Nexus, but the Appendix (which was taken out of the book for the paperback) doesn't go so far as to confirm it.
Cheers,
Cam
It also never says Cyan Bloodbane is a dracolich. Matthew took that route in a writeup of the character for the Nexus, but the Appendix (which was taken out of the book for the paperback) doesn't go so far as to confirm it.
It may not "confirm" it...but the term "heavily implies" would certainly qualify. It's talking about dracoliches and how some dragons may make a deal with Chemosh for power, as is the case with the late Cyan Bloodbane.
I'm fairly certain his name and dracoliches are used within a sentence or two of each other.
As for the Appendix itself...it's canonity is...shall we say...complicated? I suspect there are reasons that we shouldn't go into as to why it was left out of the paperback version. I personally don't have a problem with it (except for the "neutral" brown dragons)...it doesn't tie in perfectly, but...I've taken what I like from it and mixed it in with what's in the DLCS and come up with a continuity that I'm pleased with.
Doesn't say anything about being a dracolich, about being undead, or anything else. Nor is there any "recent case" to reference. It's a seed that may or may not bear fruit in the future, but don't go assuming too much from it.
The Appendix was co-written by Matthew L. Martin and Tracy Hickman. That part was Matthew's.
Cheers,
Cam
"Even dragons are not immune to Chemosh's seductions, as the recent case of Cyan Bloodbane indicates."
Doesn't say anything about being a dracolich, about being undead, or anything else.
Okay...what about the four or five sentences leading up to that? There has to be something in there that implies Cyan could be a dracolich. I've thought it since I first read the Appendix, and I haven't seen, nor heard about, Matthew's Cyan write up (although I want to go read it).
I realize it's not official, and that it was just thrown in there to sort of plant the seed...and I don't see it as official...but I'd like it to be.
But, official or not, the implication is still there.
Then why have it listed on the cover as written by Tracy Hickman?
It doesn't say anything about the Appendix on the cover. But on the first page of the Appendix it says "By Tracy Hickman and Matthew L. Martin" (not necessarily in that order).
Sad to say, but most people could care less about the other guy
That was pretty tasteless.
if it is written by Hickaman and refers to DL, then I think most assume that it is canonical.
I would think the fact that it was left out of the paperback version (and the DLCS for the most part...although there is reference to the "Void of Chaos" in the cosmology write up
) would be a good clue that it's not.It might have sounded cruel, but it is true. Most people probably do not recall that he helped to write it.
To give you an idea, the Heroes of the Lance were all around 14th level when the War of the Lance was over, so PoC goes beyond that. What do you think? Should it be like Legends in scope? Or would that be more epic than high-level?
Cheers,
Cam
I think that if you are going to go Epic, you need to include a fight and the possability of the vanquishing of a Dragon Overlord.
So there is not even a manuscript out for the module yet?
I think that if you are going to go Epic, you need to include a fight and the possability of the vanquishing of a Dragon Overlord.
The only dragon overlord left is Gellidus right, or is Sable still around ?
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The only dragon overlord left is Gellidus right, or is Sable still around ?
Well, as of September 30, 2004 Onysablet is still around. But I'm hearing rumblings that that may not be the case anymore...
Well, as of September 30, 2004 Onysablet is still around. But I'm hearing rumblings that that may not be the case anymore...
Do I smell an inconsistency in the DragonLance world again ?
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No inconsistency, just a newly released book.
Does the Age of Mortals campaign take place before this newly released book ?
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AoM campaign is 6 months after WoS.
New book is a few years after WoS.
Before.
AoM campaign is 6 months after WoS.
New book is a few years after WoS.
Ok, I may be wrong but is Gellidus supposed to be showing up in one of the AoM modules ?
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Sable is in Lake of Death. I believe that they are roughly simultanious or so. we'll see when SoS comes out.
Gellidus is the final boss, so to speak, of the Key of Destiny module.
Sable is in Lake of Death. I believe that they are roughly simultanious or so. we'll see when SoS comes out.
Gellidus isn't even in the Key of Destiny module...
Do you, perhaps, mean the Age of Mortals Campaign module? I think sending 7th level characters up against an Overlord would be pretty cruel. Maybe we will see Gellidus in PoC, though I'm not holding my breath as of yet.
he is the cover art of the last module in the trilogy. caldwell and jamie told me at gencon. by the time you get to him, your party will be level twenty, and you will have the (item found at the end of KoD) plus more stuff, presumably.
I know he is, what I am saying is that he isn't in the Key of Destiny, which is volume I, he is in Price of Courage, which is Volume III :P
I am pretty sure that 20th level characters plus the item from Key of Destiny will be able to handle Gellidus, especially if they critical...
I'd like to see something interesting for the party members without 1/1 BAB progression in the magic items department. I looked at the KoD adventure and thought "It's cool and all, but no way would I let my players use that at that level." DL has a history of letting people have major artifacts, but unless I missed something by the end of the adventure I'd be feeling a tad gyped as the party, say, rogue.
I know he is, what I am saying is that he isn't in the Key of Destiny, which is volume I, he is in Price of Courage, which is Volume III :P
I am pretty sure that 20th level characters plus the item from Key of Destiny will be able to handle Gellidus, especially if they critical...
Ah, so that is how Gellidus bites the dust eh ?
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