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Ruins across the Flanaess

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#1
Amaril
Sep 29, 2004 19:57:20 I've just recently started digging deeply into the nitty gritty details of the history of the Flanaess, and I've noticed that there are quite a few ruins across the map of the LGG. Is there any resource that offers a quick breakdown of these ruins or is such material only available within the text of the LGG and the History of the Greyhawk Wars by David Cook?
#2
cwslyclgh
Sep 29, 2004 21:53:07 which ruins were you wondering about?
#3
OleOneEye
Sep 30, 2004 1:57:02 Alas, such is not to be. The study of Greyhawk spans many tomes and incarnations. Most of the ruins shown on the LGG map were cities that many a Greyhawk adventurer trod through in the old days to be destroyed by the Wars. I was personally saddened by the fall of Molag. If there are any you are specifically interested in, the folk here are a wealth of knowledge.
#4
Mortepierre
Sep 30, 2004 2:45:35 Indeed, many ruins have been described, both in official accessories (dating back to 2E of course) or on the web. Many others still await the author that will bring them (no pun intended) to life.

Some were covered in the issues of the LG Journal so you could dig there to begin with.

Others can be found here, here, here, or there. And these are but examples of what you can find.

Have fun unearthing them!
#5
Amaril
Sep 30, 2004 12:50:29 Thanks for the responses. I've read and printed hardcopies of the Mysterious Places articles before. I was really looking for a compilation of all of the ruins marked on the LGG map. So far I've been reading the "History of the Greyhawk Wars" and found a few mentions of cities that were destroyed from battle, which are noted on the map.

My reason for wanting to learn more about these ruins is to use them as historical flavors, somewhat similarly to historical sites found across Middle Earth. AS PCs travel they can come across some of these ancient ruins and understand their histories.
#6
Mortepierre
Sep 30, 2004 15:37:03 Well, to be fair, most of the "ruined cities" found in populated regions of the Flanaess haven't been ruined for very long. Depending on when your campaign starts (585 - 594 CY), 0 to 9 years at worst.

Certainly, nothing like the ruins Frodo & Cie encountered during their trip from Bree to Mordor.

The "real" ruined cities lying in forgotten places, that's another matter entirely. Most were covered in 1E adventures and/or novels. If not, the LG Gazetteer and articles published on the RPGA - LG website remain your best bet.
#7
lincoln_hills
Sep 30, 2004 16:51:54 The Flanaess has a tremendous number of ruins, all right. A thread on the subject could grow very long without exhausting the subject.

In (very) approximate order of antiquity, we find the City of the Gods, the Isles of Woe (assuming remnants of the isles still exist in your campaign), the Pinnacles of Azor'alq (if they are indeed huge ruins rather than natural formations), the Ghost Tower of Inverness, the pre-dakon ruins in the Amedio Jungles, the sahuagin-haunted ruins of the Sinking Island, the ruins of Sulm in the Bright Desert, the Cones of Baklarran, and Blackmoor.

At around the thousand-year-old mark we find a plethora of Suloise ruins, including the Forgotten City (not to be confused with the Forbidden City!): there's also Tovag Baragu, the only known surviving structure from the ancient Baklunish lands (unless the Pinnacles qualified.)

After that, there are dozens of "modern age" ruins, including the Temple of Elemental Evil (razed in 569), Castle Greyhawk, and the wreckage of the Slaver city which was so foolishly built around a volcanic caldera in the Drachensgrabs... what was its name?

Lastly, as observed above, a very large number of cities were reduced to wreckage in 582-584 CY, including Nevond Nevnend, Elredd, Chatthold and Molag. The destruction(?) of Rauxes is a couple years more recent - that's the last city I know of to have gotten the axe.

(And if you think this setting is ruin-intensive, wait til ya see Dark Sun!)
#8
Amaril
Sep 30, 2004 19:46:33 Thanks, Lincoln Hills. That's a pretty good jump start for me. Even having a brief list such as that helps tremendously.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
#1 Amaril Sep 29, 2004 19:57:20	I've just recently started digging deeply into the nitty gritty details of the history of the Flanaess, and I've noticed that there are quite a few ruins across the map of the LGG. Is there any resource that offers a quick breakdown of these ruins or is such material only available within the text of the LGG and the History of the Greyhawk Wars by David Cook?
#2 cwslyclgh Sep 29, 2004 21:53:07	which ruins were you wondering about?
#3 OleOneEye Sep 30, 2004 1:57:02	Alas, such is not to be. The study of Greyhawk spans many tomes and incarnations. Most of the ruins shown on the LGG map were cities that many a Greyhawk adventurer trod through in the old days to be destroyed by the Wars. I was personally saddened by the fall of Molag. If there are any you are specifically interested in, the folk here are a wealth of knowledge.
#4 Mortepierre Sep 30, 2004 2:45:35	Indeed, many ruins have been described, both in official accessories (dating back to 2E of course) or on the web. Many others still await the author that will bring them (no pun intended) to life. Some were covered in the issues of the LG Journal so you could dig there to begin with. Others can be found here, here, here, or there. And these are but examples of what you can find. Have fun unearthing them!
#5 Amaril Sep 30, 2004 12:50:29	Thanks for the responses. I've read and printed hardcopies of the Mysterious Places articles before. I was really looking for a compilation of all of the ruins marked on the LGG map. So far I've been reading the "History of the Greyhawk Wars" and found a few mentions of cities that were destroyed from battle, which are noted on the map. My reason for wanting to learn more about these ruins is to use them as historical flavors, somewhat similarly to historical sites found across Middle Earth. AS PCs travel they can come across some of these ancient ruins and understand their histories.
#6 Mortepierre Sep 30, 2004 15:37:03	Well, to be fair, most of the "ruined cities" found in populated regions of the Flanaess haven't been ruined for very long. Depending on when your campaign starts (585 - 594 CY), 0 to 9 years at worst. Certainly, nothing like the ruins Frodo & Cie encountered during their trip from Bree to Mordor. The "real" ruined cities lying in forgotten places, that's another matter entirely. Most were covered in 1E adventures and/or novels. If not, the LG Gazetteer and articles published on the RPGA - LG website remain your best bet.
#7 lincoln_hills Sep 30, 2004 16:51:54	The Flanaess has a tremendous number of ruins, all right. A thread on the subject could grow very long without exhausting the subject. In (very) approximate order of antiquity, we find the City of the Gods, the Isles of Woe (assuming remnants of the isles still exist in your campaign), the Pinnacles of Azor'alq (if they are indeed huge ruins rather than natural formations), the Ghost Tower of Inverness, the pre-dakon ruins in the Amedio Jungles, the sahuagin-haunted ruins of the Sinking Island, the ruins of Sulm in the Bright Desert, the Cones of Baklarran, and Blackmoor. At around the thousand-year-old mark we find a plethora of Suloise ruins, including the Forgotten City (not to be confused with the Forbidden City!): there's also Tovag Baragu, the only known surviving structure from the ancient Baklunish lands (unless the Pinnacles qualified.) After that, there are dozens of "modern age" ruins, including the Temple of Elemental Evil (razed in 569), Castle Greyhawk, and the wreckage of the Slaver city which was so foolishly built around a volcanic caldera in the Drachensgrabs... what was its name? Lastly, as observed above, a very large number of cities were reduced to wreckage in 582-584 CY, including Nevond Nevnend, Elredd, Chatthold and Molag. The destruction(?) of Rauxes is a couple years more recent - that's the last city I know of to have gotten the axe. (And if you think this setting is ruin-intensive, wait til ya see Dark Sun!)
#8 Amaril Sep 30, 2004 19:46:33	Thanks, Lincoln Hills. That's a pretty good jump start for me. Even having a brief list such as that helps tremendously.